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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:52 am
It seems like a lot of the threads are coming down to one thing. People need to change. There are those who think that its not possible, that Amerikan's are too blind, or whatever there reasons. But doesn't this last election show that a majority of American's want it? Who knows what Obama's intentions really are but the majority of American's voted for change. I truly believe that change is possible.
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:59 am
Well, people can change in opinions, that is true. Obama being a prime example, as you said. And it's not just Americans, it's true all over the world. But human NATURE will never change. Humans are predators, put simply. There will always be 'weak' and 'strong' humans, and there will always be suffering among the 'weak', while the 'strong' profits from it. The lion kills the deer, a growing tree blocks the sun and chokes the shorter plants. That's what I meant when I said humanity can never change. Changes in public opinions are rarely lasting and fifty years from now, an entierly new generation will rule, and they won't have learned from our mistakes.
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:13 am
Change is hard for humans, for once a person or a human learns anything it will fall into state of safe zone of where they feel more comfortable at. So when something come up they can have many ways of handling it in such matter that, they can run or face it or just not acknowledge anything of it for it is instance to not let anything change so they can be safe in there own little world that is why many people be come foot note in a page of life.
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:36 pm
Human nature to me has a slight chance of changing, like movies say, it's never impossible. Only one's mental appearance can change after a period of time, or dramatically. The state of sinnning can never go away. Lying, stealing, killing, blaming, is something humans cannot get that's wrong.
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:53 pm
This is rougly paraphrased, but "As long as people change, we can change the world." I know I change. I've grown and learn a lot over the years, and I think others can do it. I don't know what "change" anyone voted for with Obama. What, his skin color? Okay? He's all ready being linked to Blegoyovich or whatever, however our Illinois' crook's name is spelled. What a great way to head into oval office there buddy. "Change" eh? I don't think so. I believe he'll be as corrupt a puppet and blamable figurehead as any we've ever seen as Presidents. Can the U.S. change? Yes. Is it changing? Yes. Does that necessarily mean it's for the better? No. The people are complacent and misled by the media. Many realize this, but for some reson refuse to come together, and like us... spend their time online complaining when they could be out actually organizing and trying to make a difference. I think the biggest change in these last few decades would be the people have become scared. They're mighty online, but face to face with the situations or people they bash they change their stories and try and save face. That doesn't sit well with me. We're in an age of cowardice, really. This country's populace has no backbone, and the ones that do, are usually of lower class or poverty and are the ones committing crimes. Both for personal greed and necessity of survival. Change of a good kind is in isolated cases on smaller, personal cases between friends and family. Don't expect any great changes in our country's atmosphere anytime soon. Corruption is in the forecast, and it's only getting darker (no pun intended).
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:40 am
We can change, no doubt about that! But it's going to be out of necessity, we're to lazy otherwise. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Then, when we do change, it'll be difficult for some people to try to adopt the new way of doing things. Overall, change is good and as humans our primary skill (thinking) helps us to adapt to our environment and any changes it may go through.
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:45 am
Yes, people can change. However, they have to want to change and in order to want to change, something has to deeply influence them to do such.
For instance, you mentioned Obama. Well, the past 8 years have been garbage. This influenced people to want something drastically different than what Bush offered, so they voted for someone who offered the most change.
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:52 am
Pyroxene Yes, people can change. However, they have to want to change and in order to want to change, something has to deeply influence them to do such. For instance, you mentioned Obama. Well, the past 8 years have been garbage. This influenced people to want something drastically different than what Bush offered, so they voted for someone who offered the most change. He can talk about change all he wants to, sound pretty on camera, look good on television. Without changing the other two thirds of government that make up Congress to support him, we're basically going to have just another four years of whatever they honestly want us to go through. Then when it fails, Obama will take the public axe like any figurehead of a President will do. I expect change all right, but I honestly don't expect much good. Note I did not say he would not do good at all, but that I do not expect much good to come from his term. I could be proven wrong, but there is just something there that I don't necessarily trust.
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:47 am
Just Tony Pyroxene Yes, people can change. However, they have to want to change and in order to want to change, something has to deeply influence them to do such. For instance, you mentioned Obama. Well, the past 8 years have been garbage. This influenced people to want something drastically different than what Bush offered, so they voted for someone who offered the most change. He can talk about change all he wants to, sound pretty on camera, look good on television. Without changing the other two thirds of government that make up Congress to support him, we're basically going to have just another four years of whatever they honestly want us to go through. Then when it fails, Obama will take the public axe like any figurehead of a President will do. I expect change all right, but I honestly don't expect much good. Note I did not say he would not do good at all, but that I do not expect much good to come from his term. I could be proven wrong, but there is just something there that I don't necessarily trust. The point is a majority people voted for change. Whether Obama does what he says he's going to or not. The people do want change.
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:01 pm
In other words, the 'change' we're talking about is simply a short-sighted change of public opinion, born out of need? I agree with Tony, Obama's a politician, and there is no such thing as a morally 'clean' politician. But I take it we all agree that humanity as a race can never change?
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:28 pm
I've change so much month after month after month for like most of my life. From depression, suicidal, intellectual, spiritual, lost, etc etc. Even all at the same time. We do change, but their is a price to pay. We are responsible for changing ourselves. Others can only serve as facilitators. Change is here and its incredible. I do not know the how things will play out, but I know change will happen, even if it takes another 100 years. I'm one of the first. Change will transcend every area of a persons life, for the better, it will be painful to change though, and personal. One person will not change another, people change when they are ready and willing. A person can only know change by going through a change. By trial and error, by practice, by reaching out. One needs to be willing to consider anything and everything, our spirit is guiding us and the tools it needs will be available when its our time. OK, GO!
I'm serious BTW.
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:52 pm
Kino D In other words, the 'change' we're talking about is simply a short-sighted change of public opinion, born out of need? I agree with Tony, Obama's a politician, and there is no such thing as a morally 'clean' politician. But I take it we all agree that humanity as a race can never change? Who's to say that after four years of Obama the public will want "change" again and go back to voting Republican? Why? It's not Democrat. Why did most people want Obama this time? It wasn't Bush, it wasn't Republican. Throw in the fact he's black and woo, you have "change." I don't think it'll lead to much change seeing the bit of a recession we're in right now.
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:44 am
Holy cynicism, batman. I get the feeling the people here have zero faith in humanity.
Let me agree with Jacki and reiterate something: the people want change. And last I heard, this was a nation, not a spectator sport on figureheads. Why have Americans forgotten that? This nation is ours, it does not belong to the people we elect. They are only serving us. If Obama disappoints us, we need to understand that as the American people, we have a right and a responsibility to say GTFO my presidency.
We the People, not I the President. America never was and is not, and shall not be a monarchy or dictatorship. The moment we step aside and let the political rampage go on we have allowed that to become the reality. We've been frightened into allowing the government to rule us far more tightly than the founding fathers intended. The real threat is to our freedom, and it does not come from Islamic extremists. Turn it this way- maybe they are trying to free us.
America needs a revolution. Whether or not it's political overthrow or a simple change in party, it has to happen.
And for those of you that buy that crap they're trying to tie Obama to in IL, consider this first: about 45% of Illinois governors are convicted of some sort of federal crime. While statistics mean nothing, compare that to any other seat in the country- it doesn't happen like that. This has two meanings. Either IL is seriously corrupt- or everyone else is just awesome at hiding it.
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:36 pm
VechnayaNicolai Holy cynicism, batman. I get the feeling the people here have zero faith in humanity.
Let me agree with Jacki and reiterate something: the people want change. And last I heard, this was a nation, not a spectator sport on figureheads. Why have Americans forgotten that? This nation is ours, it does not belong to the people we elect. They are only serving us. If Obama disappoints us, we need to understand that as the American people, we have a right and a responsibility to say GTFO my presidency.
We the People, not I the President. America never was and is not, and shall not be a monarchy or dictatorship. The moment we step aside and let the political rampage go on we have allowed that to become the reality. We've been frightened into allowing the government to rule us far more tightly than the founding fathers intended. The real threat is to our freedom, and it does not come from Islamic extremists. Turn it this way- maybe they are trying to free us.
America needs a revolution. Whether or not it's political overthrow or a simple change in party, it has to happen.
And for those of you that buy that crap they're trying to tie Obama to in IL, consider this first: about 45% of Illinois governors are convicted of some sort of federal crime. While statistics mean nothing, compare that to any other seat in the country- it doesn't happen like that. This has two meanings. Either IL is seriously corrupt- or everyone else is just awesome at hiding it. Living in Illinois myself, I think it was more an intentionally leaked scheme than anything else. Rather convenient timing if you ask me. Realistically we understand the people are supposed to be in charge, but Federal Government has become such the stronghold that we've honestly no real control over it. Armed resistance is extreme, and thinking our voiced opinions can honestly fix things is a bit of a dream to me. I can't say I've much faith in humanity overall. I don't know that I've had a reason to. I know things aren't as bad as our media and the people that talk on here say. My doubts of Obama aren't personal. They're a mistrust of politics and government period. Maybe we will see change, maybe. Perhaps I should just think more of what good things are being done out there. Time will only tell. You say people want change. Well, just what kinds of change do they want?
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:00 pm
Just Tony VechnayaNicolai Holy cynicism, batman. I get the feeling the people here have zero faith in humanity.
Let me agree with Jacki and reiterate something: the people want change. And last I heard, this was a nation, not a spectator sport on figureheads. Why have Americans forgotten that? This nation is ours, it does not belong to the people we elect. They are only serving us. If Obama disappoints us, we need to understand that as the American people, we have a right and a responsibility to say GTFO my presidency.
We the People, not I the President. America never was and is not, and shall not be a monarchy or dictatorship. The moment we step aside and let the political rampage go on we have allowed that to become the reality. We've been frightened into allowing the government to rule us far more tightly than the founding fathers intended. The real threat is to our freedom, and it does not come from Islamic extremists. Turn it this way- maybe they are trying to free us.
America needs a revolution. Whether or not it's political overthrow or a simple change in party, it has to happen.
And for those of you that buy that crap they're trying to tie Obama to in IL, consider this first: about 45% of Illinois governors are convicted of some sort of federal crime. While statistics mean nothing, compare that to any other seat in the country- it doesn't happen like that. This has two meanings. Either IL is seriously corrupt- or everyone else is just awesome at hiding it. Living in Illinois myself, I think it was more an intentionally leaked scheme than anything else. Rather convenient timing if you ask me. Realistically we understand the people are supposed to be in charge, but Federal Government has become such the stronghold that we've honestly no real control over it. Armed resistance is extreme, and thinking our voiced opinions can honestly fix things is a bit of a dream to me. I can't say I've much faith in humanity overall. I don't know that I've had a reason to. I know things aren't as bad as our media and the people that talk on here say. My doubts of Obama aren't personal. They're a mistrust of politics and government period. Maybe we will see change, maybe. Perhaps I should just think more of what good things are being done out there. Time will only tell. You say people want change. Well, just what kinds of change do they want?
They want people that think like the people in this thread think here to stop putting them down for being imperfect and give them some encouragement, that's what. Humanity is a race driven by faith, anyone that watched its trek through history through classes or books or records can see that. They need hope and positive outcome to get anything done. Naysayers only hold progress back. Actions driven by fear or negativity are overturned quickly because that negativity doesn't just fade off. It lingers.
Forgive my tone.
All this talk of can't and hopeless; if the reality is really this bad, we should all just off ourselves. For realz.
Armed resistance may be extreme, but it was written into the constitution for a reason- we reserve the right to do so and not be oppressed. What happened to home of the brave? We've become cowards. We have no control because we have relinquished control. We have unwittingly given it up because of the smooth tongues of the ones that have bought their power. The nation is run by corrupt people. So now what? Do we sit here and complain and be sad and scared?
No, we do something radical, like break some form of monotony and upturn a long- and stagnant- tradition. It's the mentality of the election that we needed; it doesn't matter what Obama's policies are, it's what he represented in that election that does. It was a first step. It might not be armed rebellion, but it was a push. We needed that push.
And I live in Illinois too. Haven't for long, but it's all over the news, at any rate. And to me, it does sound too convenient. I don't trust a word of the BS. For all I know he did nothing wrong and it was a grand set-up. I don't know and I don't care- that bs is all in with the rest of the bs.
Back to the topic at hand- will we change?
My answer is a question- do we have to? what's wrong with "people"? As far as I see it, it's our government that has to change, not us. We are a result of our habitat, and I have seen the proof of that. A positive environment produces a morally strong and happy human being. I dare you to challenge me on that.
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