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 Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:20 am
Power, its a scary thing.
An interesting topic that I have recently been hearing quite a bit about is modern day slavery.
I'm going to present a theory that I have read and seen videos about within the last few months.
Basically, the ruling class in America is pumping drugs into our society. This is a fact; look up the Mena cover up if you don't believe me. They are doing this so they can catch non-violent drug offenders and put them into prison where they loose all their rights, and are forced into doing labor for people who are making $40,000 a year; the inmates make 40 cents a hour in a lot of cases.
There are over a million non-violent drug offenders in prison right now; that's half of the prison population.
If you look up the Geo Group Inc in the stock market, this is stock based on how many people are in jail and how many jails are opened.
Is this why the drug war started?
Is this why so many drug laws are made?
So the US can continue slavery...?
Even though they may have committed a crime, is this right?
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Discuss away!
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:01 pm
Welcome to the idea of the capitalist way. Production based upon the services sold for a wage in relation to profit... In this case, it's really seemingly forced labour, paid wages or not. But, with present laws, it's all fine and well and within all terms of legality. Go figure, right? All in the name of profit. I don't agree with it, but the "laws" state it's full well within their rights to do this sort of thing, at least in terms of business. How can they do this with clear consciences? Well, money corrupts the soul, and deviates one from what is good and proper I suppose. Go figure.
I'd like to hear other opinions. Anyone agree with this practice? As far as their labour goes, I'd have them doing something else. Producing simple clothing for those without, or for orphanages, children hospitals, homeless shelters. Or any kind of good to benefit the least of these. Maybe it would also sharpen their minds that they can do good for society, and possibly open their minds to God. I of course could be wrong. I also wouldn't want to seem to be forcing my faith on them, but I would make them contribute to society in a positive, needful manner. Not the pockets of already rich men.
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:04 pm
I'm not so sure about this, actually. I mean, I don't live in the U.S. or anything, so maybe I shouldn't open my mouth... But prisoners, prisons and related things, they cost a lot of bucks. I just can't see the work they do in prison covering that cost... But of course I could be wrong.
And drug laws are made because the major influx of drugs comes from South America, and there's no way the government/market can control that influx. And anything that's out of control in a capitalist country is bad, according to the capitalists themselves. They cannot regulate it or profit directly from it, so they do their best to strangle the supply, and why not make the 'offenders' work to pay at least some of what the state pays for their living? Winning the war against drugs is, of course, impossible. So maybe they're just trying to put as big a dent in it as possible, or maybe they're trying to make examples so others don't start with it... But regardless, heavy drugs SHOULD be illegal. Look what the opium trade did to China and Japan. Lighter drugs, pfft, I couldn't care less. Marijuana, go ahead and legalize, they did it in Holland.
Ah, also, the regular, educated and unfortunately unintelligent Joe knows that DRUGS ARE BAD, and therefore, to keep their vote, the government must play along. Er, but this was about prison labor, not drugs... I made my point somewhere at the top, so feel free to ignore the rest of my ranting, heh.
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:51 pm
Kino D I'm not so sure about this, actually. I mean, I don't live in the U.S. or anything, so maybe I shouldn't open my mouth... But prisoners, prisons and related things, they cost a lot of bucks. I just can't see the work they do in prison covering that cost... But of course I could be wrong. And drug laws are made because the major influx of drugs comes from South America, and there's no way the government/market can control that influx. And anything that's out of control in a capitalist country is bad, according to the capitalists themselves. They cannot regulate it or profit directly from it, so they do their best to strangle the supply, and why not make the 'offenders' work to pay at least some of what the state pays for their living? Winning the war against drugs is, of course, impossible. So maybe they're just trying to put as big a dent in it as possible, or maybe they're trying to make examples so others don't start with it... But regardless, heavy drugs SHOULD be illegal. Look what the opium trade did to China and Japan. Lighter drugs, pfft, I couldn't care less. Marijuana, go ahead and legalize, they did it in Holland. Ah, also, the regular, educated and unfortunately unintelligent Joe knows that DRUGS ARE BAD, and therefore, to keep their vote, the government must play along. Er, but this was about prison labor, not drugs... I made my point somewhere at the top, so feel free to ignore the rest of my ranting, heh. The drugs are controlled in as much as they're let into the country on purpose and are a big enough illegal market. If made legal, the value could drop immensely. Capitalists don't always use laws to work the system. Corruption... Godspeed to the Rapture aye. In Nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti... Veritas et Aequitas...
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:03 pm
The value would drop, but so would the risk. Quantity would replace high prices. Not that it's ever going to happen, too much damage would be done. And I agree, corruption is commonplace, but I doubt any government itself has anything to do with it. The market is much bigger than any government, and the laws of supply/demand are superior to any government-enforced law.
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:39 pm
If their legalized that doesn't necessarily mean their would be more users, I mean their probably will be at first, maybe a few here and there, but most people that would do drugs are already doing them. People don't give-a-s**t if things are legal or not, they only care if they can get away with it easily, as long as you stay home how are the cops gunna tell that your higher then a kite? Legalizing them would just mean you would see more druggies out and about. Although, if the Gov. taxed the drugs they could try to make a profit that way instead of forcing inmates to labor.
I think we've turned this into a "legalize drugs y/n?"
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:42 pm
TheMaskBehindTheMan If their legalized that doesn't necessarily mean their would be more users, I mean their probably will be at first, maybe a few here and there, but most people that would do drugs are already doing them. People don't give-a-s**t if things are legal or not, they only care if they can get away with it easily, as long as you stay home how are the cops gunna tell that your higher then a kite? Legalizing them would just mean you would see more druggies out and about. Although, if the Gov. taxed the drugs they could try to make a profit that way instead of forcing inmates to labor. I think we've turned this into a "legalize drugs y/n?" For this moment in the thread.
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:58 pm
To get things back on track then... and perhaps a bit more outlandish...
Since the businessmen behind this whole ordeal are probably corrupt bastards that do other ill-willed acts, I'd favor them being done in, Boondock Saints style. They shouldn't be allowed to make so much off of this whole interrelationship of crime and business. As with anything having to do with government thinking it's "fixing" anything, the war on drugs is attacking the symptoms, not the disease. And why should they? Making enough money off of it.
I proposed earlier having the prisoners provide another service, one more suitable to actually contributing to society in as much creating or producing goods for orphanges, children hospitals or something along this line.
What would the rest of you rather see done? Or perhaps even have this seemingly forced labour done away with, and offer them instead free rehab clinics. Of course, that's catering to select prisoners, unless it could be applied to all. Hmm... Scratch that idea. Tax dollars all ready give them food and shelter to live there for lengthy periods of time for a crime. Most will get out and be repeat offenders anyways. Hmm... Kill 'em all?
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:22 pm
Ya pretty much, as long as they make money who gives-a-damn about anything else?
They should do something better with all that free labor(Pyramids anyone?)
"Kill them?" Why just kill them when you can use them to fill the ranks of our dying military force or for "top secret" military experiments!
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:52 am
TheMaskBehindTheMan Ya pretty much, as long as they make money who gives-a-damn about anything else? They should do something better with all that free labor(Pyramids anyone?) "Kill them?" Why just kill them when you can use them to fill the ranks of our dying military force or for "top secret" military experiments! Haahaa. Kill the child molesters! And the Murderers. But Victimless crimes...c'mon now. I have the right to hurt my own body. Emo kids do it all the time! (Teehee) No in all seriousness...Lets just get rid of all those corrupt politicians and corporate butt wipes to start the population control!! Lets do it Dogma style! Bang Bang! (I just watched Boondock Saints for the first time, sorry.) sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:13 am
I'm under the opinion we should do away with prioritized prisons.
As has been stated numerous times, this is akin to slave labor, yet they get by with a "Well they're criminals!" and covertly doing the ole sleight of hand in the public eye.
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:52 am
Well, then I ask, what's wrong with slave labour? When you break a law or become a hardcore criminal, you must be aware of the fact that you are going against the set rules of the ruling government, and that they are strict in their punishments. Criminals are men and women who has willfully rejected the laws of the society they live in. When they are caught, they cost money since we can't do away with them all, so putting them to work seems a good idea to me. It's not like the fuzz herds random crowds into prison where they're forced to work under the whip for the rest of their lives. Anyway, they knew what they were getting into, they knew the punishment for failure, and now they get to pay the price.
I think some hard facts needs to be laid down here. LIFE IS NOT FAIR. Ever. That's a fact. You don't get what you deserve. Every five seconds, a child dies of dehydration. Every fifteen seconds, a child dies of starvation. Maybe not a 100% accurate, but something along those lines. Now. Now. Now now. Now. Now. Now now. Is that fair? No. Just because we don't see it happen, it doesn't change the fact that it DOES happen, right now. A tree that falls in a forest where nobody sees it or hears it, well, the tree still fell and made the appropriate noise. So life is not fair, or just, or equal. Humanitarian rights isn't a given or a constant, it's a benefit that is handed to us I-land citizens, and even then, they can be revoked just like that. SNAP.
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:55 am
Kino D Well, then I ask, what's wrong with slave labour? When you break a law or become a hardcore criminal, you must be aware of the fact that you are going against the set rules of the ruling government, and that they are strict in their punishments. Criminals are men and women who has willfully rejected the laws of the society they live in. When they are caught, they cost money since we can't do away with them all, so putting them to work seems a good idea to me. It's not like the fuzz herds random crowds into prison where they're forced to work under the whip for the rest of their lives. Anyway, they knew what they were getting into, they knew the punishment for failure, and now they get to pay the price. I think some hard facts needs to be laid down here. LIFE IS NOT FAIR. Ever. That's a fact. You don't get what you deserve. Every five seconds, a child dies of dehydration. Every fifteen seconds, a child dies of starvation. Maybe not a 100% accurate, but something along those lines. Now. Now. Now now. Now. Now. Now now. Is that fair? No. Just because we don't see it happen, it doesn't change the fact that it DOES happen, right now. A tree that falls in a forest where nobody sees it or hears it, well, the tree still fell and made the appropriate noise. So life is not fair, or just, or equal. Humanitarian rights isn't a given or a constant, it's a benefit that is handed to us I-land citizens, and even then, they can be revoked just like that. SNAP. I think the problem here is that non-violent drug offenders haven't trumped on the rights of others. It'd be one thing if the government offered subsidized rehab like countries with decriminalized use, but as it stands....
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:13 am
Kino D I think some hard facts needs to be laid down here. LIFE IS NOT FAIR. Ever. That's a fact. You don't get what you deserve. Every five seconds, a child dies of dehydration. Every fifteen seconds, a child dies of starvation. Maybe not a 100% accurate, but something along those lines. Now. Now. Now now. Now. Now. Now now. Is that fair? No. Just because we don't see it happen, it doesn't change the fact that it DOES happen, right now. A tree that falls in a forest where nobody sees it or hears it, well, the tree still fell and made the appropriate noise. So life is not fair, or just, or equal. Humanitarian rights isn't a given or a constant, it's a benefit that is handed to us I-land citizens, and even then, they can be revoked just like that. SNAP. Well these are some things that arguably we need to change. And it takes people to change. We have so many more resources then we used to, and more activists are showing. What does the "life's not fair" thing have to do with any of this by the way? That just seemed out of place.
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:38 am
Kino D Well, then I ask, what's wrong with slave labour? When you break a law or become a hardcore criminal, you must be aware of the fact that you are going against the set rules of the ruling government, and that they are strict in their punishments. Criminals are men and women who has willfully rejected the laws of the society they live in. When they are caught, they cost money since we can't do away with them all, so putting them to work seems a good idea to me. It's not like the fuzz herds random crowds into prison where they're forced to work under the whip for the rest of their lives. Anyway, they knew what they were getting into, they knew the punishment for failure, and now they get to pay the price. "Just because he has broken the creed, does not mean that we have to as well"-Assassins Creed
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