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For those opposed to Christianity in all forms, whether theocratically, its churches, or even all its practitioners. This thread is for you to discuss and debate your issues with Christianity and its discrepancies. What problems do you have with it and why? Personal experiences? Do you think maybe you just met the wrong people? Opposed to conversion? Think that it could be delivered to you in ministry if done right? This is your chance to speak your mind and discuss what you have against Christianity, and seeing the number of Christians in the guild, perhaps they could help calm you to some degree or possibly flat out refute some of your claims against the faith. Discuss and debate!

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When it comes to the bible, Christianity is a load. The only reason I'm not completely opposed to it is because they teach morals. Take out all the mythology and you have pretty good morals. It is also interesting to study the bible.

But the thing about it is that a lot of churches are basically "If you don't do what we tell you, you're going to hell".

Everything is also really illogical. If there is only one god, that means that he has to take care of the whole universe. Why would he be so worried about humans when there are so many life forms out there to worry about? If they think that there is a supreme being who cares about humans, that means that there are a lot of gods responsible for everything.

The only way to know God is by faith as he told us during the bible.
The truth: God cannot be disproved or proved, only by faith unto your hearts, just as you have unto your parents. As most people have knowned God can only be sensed with faith. I may not be an expert like Tony, but I'm working on it.

It is wrong that some churches and christians are intolerant like that. It is not the churches or the pastors that you are supposed to follow but rather God and the Bible. Another thing is that people criticise Christianity and God for condemning people to hell for not believing in God and Jesus. That is wrong as well. Imagine somebody hitchhiking who refuses a ride and then curses that person for not giving them a ride. It is not God's fault, you either take it or you don't and if you don't, the Bible makes the consequences very clear.

I used to be a really devout catholic, but I eventually realized what i was doing.
Right-hand path religions are essentially the elimination of self-esteem. They try to make you beleive you're worthless, that the happiness and pleasure you seek are inmoral. That you are nothing in life, and every waking moment must be spent either worshipping or doing the will of an omnipresent tyrant in order to avoid endless, unimaginable torture. And if you're not christian, then you're less than worthless, and need to be ******** by a red-hot spike.

According to christianity, everything that makes you an individual is wrong, a sin, and to be detested, and only when you conform your every thought, action and feeling to an arbitrary set of rules set by an invisible man are you something of value to the community.

Our western democratic society, capitalism, and everything that has ever helped lift the masses out of poverty and death, are based on principles that are the exact opposite of those expressed in christianity.

Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for

I don't agree with some of the things the bible teaches. BUT my religion has taught me to respect other religions, even if some of their beliefs are wrong in our eyes.

The Mexicans found it really easy to convert to Catholicism......... they decided all of the saints were the christian analogues to their own gods.
When the Spanish priests found out, they were absolutely horrified! mrgreen

The same reason anyone else makes the choice. For themselves. Why do most teen Pagans become as such only as a rebellion towards their parents, society and Christianity, perhaps even after only reading one book?

One's faith shouldn't be based upon its followers. I'm mindful of others' thoughts and opinions. They matter, until they begin to personally mock or attack me. Then I'd assume have naught to do with them. I am not perfect by any means, so to act as you would assume all Christians do (since you did not state otherwise, I'm assuming here for debate purposes), would be quite hypocritical. Not only is the faith about spreading ministry, but it's also about admitting that we are sometimes weak. That we sometimes fall and stumble in life, make mistakes and do things that we learn are spiritually ill for us. These things make us feel empty, and though we think we're receiving pleasure, since it's pleasing to the body in some way, it's really just emptying us of our chances to find the purer things in life that make us happy.

What irks me a little bit is how someone can have an experience within a church, or with Christian friends and family, and almost immediately write off all Christians as doing that sort of thing. It can be a little aggravating, but I deal with it. I too think that it's a bit of bollocks how six days a week some of these people are the biggest sinners, yet on Sundays, supposed to be the day of rest, they become "Saints" for a few hours with their Sunday clothes, fake smiles and dishonest interest in prayer or God. Maybe they do it to save face.

I used to go to a Presbyterian church here in town, when I was dating my first girlfriend. Did I see fake people? Of course. Some of them I went to school with, since they were my age. Brittany Slack, I think is how here name was spelled. She would talk trash about me and my friends, but she mostly tried thinking I was ignorant in history class debates, but that's another story. On the other hand, I met some pretty charming people that I do believe were honest in their faith and would help someone if they could. The same could be true of the Christian group I attended years earlier than that when I had self-esteem issues. I didn't know anything about Christianity other than it had a Bible and there was a Jesus figure. I didn't care to know. But what they did for me and the others that attended there was wonderful, and I thank them for it.

Even here on this guild, I would be willing to help someone learn more about Christianity and finding their own beliefs within it. I think, perhaps, if they saw that someone such as myself could treat them with respect and clash with their typical Christian that they all ready have formed in their heads, maybe I could make them question those thoughts. Maybe not, but it'd be worth a shot. I'm not really here to convert anyone, of that you can be certain. But if approached with a serious intent to learn and they have hope of conversion, then of course I'd help them any way I can.

I mean, just go look at my profile pics. Think that spells typical Christian? Not by any means. It's probably why I have a better grasp of it than other Christians do. Doesn't mean I'm better, just means they have room to learn, as we all do. Remember when next you're thinking about all of this, that it's passed off as simply saying Christ is your saviour to be a Christian. Living up to being one is a whole new ballgame in itself.

Hope I was of some service.

Edit: Seeing the recent revelation from yourself in the 'Wicca' thread, you yourself being one should know not all Christians are at all like that. Hmm... I see... So what I said was correct. It matched up with me reading your post, that you had a bad experience and in your post here, are seemingly writing off all Christians that way. Well, if you're not that way, and I am not that way, does that then mean there may be others like us, even within the confines of that church you once attended? Come on bro, give some of our brethren the benefit of the doubt now. Sometimes each other is all we have.

Edited again: Nevermind. After rereading your post I see you do not mean that all Christians are like that, but only that some are, and that these are generally the ones that most people have experiences with, and are left with the impression all Christians are like that. At least when taken to the extreme generalisation that quite a few are quite guilty of. I know I was at one point in time. Either way, if someone wants to become a Christian, perhaps they'll meet someone as yourself or myself that may help them find themselves within. If not, we can at least say we tried, and that it wasn't for them if they say so.

Note: I'm not changing anything in my post as I continue to edit. I want it to be seen that I went back to check on things a second and third time to make the post as accurate as possible after reproofing. It's more honest that way, and you can perhaps gain something even from my original run in the post. Again, hope this all helps some of you.