|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:05 am
Is it necessary? Is it a valid belief? Does your faith require it or are you one willing to engage in such an act? What significance does it hold to you and your faith?
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:07 am
I voted yes, since I essentially do every year for Thanksgiving and Christmas. During Thanksgiving it's "custom" or "ritual" to partake in turkey with the family dinner it seems, and though we do not say grace, we're to remember what we are thankful for or should be thankful for.
Tricked you, didn't I? The subject is open to interpretation in various ways... What will you come up with?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:16 am
I sacrifice bugs just so I can have a good walk.
haahaa...
I've never actually sacrificed or even killed an animal other then flies at work cause I had too or random accidental bug killings/I hit three birds in one week with my car once...and a squirrel on a delivery.
So maybe I'm sacrificing them for my own benefit? Haahaa.
No never religiously.
I was at a funeral the other day and the priest or whatever he was said that my great aunt was a sacrifice to the lord...that weirded me out. I know she died of natural causes and belonged to the church...is this a religious ceremony at all christian/catholic churches??
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:59 am
Jacki Kane I sacrifice bugs just so I can have a good walk.
haahaa...
I've never actually sacrificed or even killed an animal other then flies at work cause I had too or random accidental bug killings/I hit three birds in one week with my car once...and a squirrel on a delivery.
So maybe I'm sacrificing them for my own benefit? Haahaa.
No never religiously.
I was at a funeral the other day and the priest or whatever he was said that my great aunt was a sacrifice to the lord...that weirded me out. I know she died of natural causes and belonged to the church...is this a religious ceremony at all christian/catholic churches?? I don't bother with churches. Individual fellowship sure, but I don't generally trust congregations. Too many people there to save face than to live honest lives it seems. Essentially, we're all sacrifices. We come here, we come to learn, grow, maybe teach and continue life with our offspring, only to submit to death at the end and sacrifice our life spirit so that others may go on and we return to the earth "from whence we came" according to some. I wouldn't think it a practice of all churches, if many at all. It may just be his personal interpretation, or maybe he learned it from religious thought of his ministry mentors, or perhaps books he has read. It's hard telling, honestly.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:59 am
It really does depend on how you look at the situation, if you are talking about sacrifice to apease a higer power, then I don't beleive it is neccisary, mainly because I do not have a culture where this is practiced.
Sacrifice as in tradtional foods for occasions like christmas I don't think should be set in stone, not neccisaraly turkey. It also depends where you live then if there is an abondance of turkey then by all meant you start eating turkey. Local foods are better anyways. However if you have to go compleatly out of your way to purchas a rare peruvian turkey, then something different should be tried as an alternative.
As for the human sacrifice thing - I don't think that if you die naturaly you are concidered a sacrifice.
Sacrifice:
-forfeit: the act of losing or surrendering something as a penalty for a mistake or fault or failure to perform etc.
-endure the loss of; "He gave his life for his children"; "I gave two sons to the war"
-personnel that are sacrificed (e.g., surrendered or lost in order to gain an objective)
-kill or destroy; "The animals were sacrificed after the experiment"; "The general had to sacrifice several soldiers to save the regiment"
-a loss entailed by giving up or selling something at less than its value; "he had to sell his car at a considerable sacrifice"
-sell at a loss
-the act of killing (an animal or person) in order to propitiate a deity
-make a sacrifice of; in religious rituals
-(baseball) an out that advances the base runners
from wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
So by definition, a natural death is not a sacrifice to god. I may not have my facts straight so please correct me if I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:26 am
I say yes, True Thanksgiving is a "custom"/"ritual", and so is hunting or owning a farm, like me. But if I go into the whole "By the blood of this lamb shall grant me allmightiness" I say as long as it's something that's yours and not something you stole from your neighbor, than go have yourself a "bloody" good time! blaugh
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:33 pm
Sacrifices
• To take and give of one's property. (Time, blame, property, etc)
As the bible shows a man (I entirely forgot his name), one of the kings of the holy land had been out to search and slay the man down. Two servents of his had been sent out to receive water for him, the worth of it was too great. The sacrifice was too great. He gave his water to God for the sacrifice was too great.
In the old testament of Abraham and Sarah, the Father Abrahama was sent to put an offering to God in the mountains of Johova (I think and I forgot) not an animal, but his own child, Isaac. (God prevented Abraham from sacrificing him).
A sacrifice is something that you give something you've worked hard for to someone you honor and worship.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:14 am
I'm going to mix it up a bit and say yes. But not for animals, for people. I would easily and willingly sacrafice a human being for the greater good of others, and would expact the same for myself. Such as a family who is starving to death, I would hope that one being would sacrafice themselfs to save the others, or perhaps make that sacrafice by natural causes. Or lets say a group of people is going to harm you and a group of people, making a diversion, even if it means your death, to save others is a worthy and notable sacrafice.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:10 am
I would not be likely to perform an animal sacrafice, never say never. When I do a sacrafice I use food or alcohol. I do sacrafice meat, but I do not kill the animal myself. Causing pain and suffering goes against my beliefs so a live animal sacrifice shouldn't be demanded of me. If it was I would have to think long and hard about why it was asked.
Now for followers of other religions. It is acceptable to perform animal sacrifices, so long as the animal is killed quickly. I believe that the chickens commonly used in Voudun are raised for the purpose of being sacrificed and that they are killed by the throat being slit or the head removed. Both ways are a rather quick and painless death, so I have no problem with it. Also, if you think about it all kosher food is sacrificed to their god before they can eat it. It is a sacrifice because it has to be killed in a specific way, and a Rabi has to be present to bless the meat after it's killed.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:58 am
Shearaha I would not be likely to perform an animal sacrafice, never say never. When I do a sacrafice I use food or alcohol. I do sacrafice meat, but I do not kill the animal myself. Causing pain and suffering goes against my beliefs so a live animal sacrifice shouldn't be demanded of me. If it was I would have to think long and hard about why it was asked. Now for followers of other religions. It is acceptable to perform animal sacrifices, so long as the animal is killed quickly. I believe that the chickens commonly used in Voudun are raised for the purpose of being sacrificed and that they are killed by the throat being slit or the head removed. Both ways are a rather quick and painless death, so I have no problem with it. Also, if you think about it all kosher food is sacrificed to their god before they can eat it. It is a sacrifice because it has to be killed in a specific way, and a Rabi has to be present to bless the meat after it's killed. I used to work in an aerosol canning factory of food products, at least 90% of our products were Kosher. I couldn't believe my eyes when a Rabbi from New York was honestly flown in to bless the lines. Once that happened, we weren't allowed to change any settings on the line, even if it were to ******** up. We'd just have to stop it and fix whatever we could as quickly as possible. Then, our second line wasn't allowed to stop period, we had to run it through lunch and our breaks, switching people out. It was a small, personally observed act that made me realize just how much influence that the Jewish community may potentially have on our country. Aside from our unconditional backing of Israel with funds and military support. But I'd rather not get into all of that.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:05 pm
my opinion even though it may not make sense well in my religion idk ill have to look into it but i belive their r some things u have to sacriface so your able to gain more power personally i have not tried it and then there r others were you must watch the animal beofre you kill it call me crazy but there is
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Reply
