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shall she sail seas Vice Captain
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 Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:31 pm
Does it matter more that they be morally right or that they be true?
Simple question here. I don't really have a context for any of the words in the question. Go wild. blaugh
However, I might further clarify the question as we go along... i mean the meaning of the question.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:59 pm
But, wouldn't what we considered moral or true be easily varified if we all have different beliefs? I think that this topic is quite broad and if in the general context it can be quite confusing... talk about the most broad of broad topics I think morals and beliefs (generally) is endless... like infinity wise lol
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shall she sail seas Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:56 pm
Yes, to answer your question. Which is why I'm asking this question in the first place. I guess this is one of those "What's your opinion?" types of topics.
What holds more weight to you, that a person's belief be true or morally right?
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:57 am
NomNomNominal Does it matter more that they be morally right or that they be true? Thats hard to say since everyone has their own set of ideas on what is deemed moral or not. And if you could prove your beliefs, they stop being beliefs. Everyone is free to believe whatever they want to believe; but I maintain that people may never be able to agree on what is 'right' because the majority believe themselves to be right. People believe that one denomination has to be correct [personally I think they are all right], and one has to be incorrect; thus we never find common ground to even begin to understand each others points of view. I believe that mankind, in its infinity divine wisdom, creates these beliefs so all of humanity can be inspired to do great works while they are alive. I believe in the power of human thought; that all religions and people are simply seeking answer to what conventional science and reasoning cannot YET explain.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:10 pm
I figure, if you've got the right beliefs, they're both true and morally right. Then again, as previously mentioned, if it's truth then it's not belief anymore, but a perfect fullness of knowledge. So I guess it all depends on your definition of "true."
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:39 pm
I tear my heart open I sew myself shut Man oh man I swear, the only way that everyone would be able to agree on the same thing moral wise is if we all grew up the same way. Like we were all taught the same things without variation etc. but nothing is perfect so everyone believes what they want. My weakness is that I care too much
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Rumplestyltskin Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:10 pm
Beliefs and morals are, in my opinion are relative.
If a person believes his ones are true and good, they are true and good to him. A person from across the room might disagree.
Since people are different, it is only different to have different morals and opinions.
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:52 pm
AvenirLegacy:
I'm gonna sidetrack for a bit and question your statement "Everyone is free to believe whatever they want to believe". Sure, they are free in the sense that they can choose and weigh all possible available options. However, their options are ONLY those which they realise exist. They'd be blindsided to those that are not available to them. Even their so-called "original beliefs" would be derived from processing information from previous options, weeding out things that do not seem logical, combining things that do, etc. In that sense, people are not free to believe whatever they want to believe unless they know ALL options.
AvenirLegacy & JoSlifer:
Well, I'm not too sure about that. To further explain and kind of warp my question in a crude way, it's more about: Which are more important, normative statements or positive statements? Keep in mind that it's REALLY crude way of re-wording my question. My OP is closer to the spirit of what I'm trying to ask. But with this newer cruder question, it's pretty much making a separation between what is morally right and what is uhh... correct.... like a fact. (e.g. "Shooting birds for pleasure is wrong" vs. "Birds evolved from dinosaurs"). Okay, okay... not "fact", but you get the gist from my example, right?
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shall she sail seas Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:43 pm
Here's my attempt to answer the OP, NomNomNominal. Hopefully clearer than the previous one.
Does it matter more that a belief is morally right or that it is true?
Let's begin with the first part of the question. Morality.
I believe that there is no unified system of morals. At least nobody follows one to the point, per say. Greatest example of this would be that out of people that know me, some think I am "over-moral" and some say that I am amoral. Since there is no unified system of morals, for any system of beliefs built on one system of morals there will be one built on complete opposite morals. The beliefs will contradict and the people will probably look down at each other because they will think that one party is wrong.
To sum this up. If a person bases his beliefs on his morals, he is surely to be contradicted at one point or another and his morals will be put to the test.
As for truth, what is truth exactly? Truth always changes. That's humanity's curse if you will. To search for truth and always modify it once we have found an answer that seems to be right. A long time ago, the truth was that the Earth was flat. People in that time beleived it to be true, as true as the fact that sun rises every morning.
So basically my point is, we do not know truth. We can only search for it. Once we find something that looks "legit" we take it as truth. If I beleive it to be true that the Sun rotates around the Earth, that's MY truth and I'm sticking by it. And it is the same with every person. Sure, there are a few generally accepted truths but there are people who oppose those truths because they have their own. The Human experience is not about the truth itself, but about it's search.
So back to the OP smile
Does it matter more that a person's belief be morally right or that they be true? Neither because both are subjective. I think what a person must follow is principle. Doesn't matter what it is, to be honest. Maybe be bad, maybe good. But principle is already subjective in it's definition. So beleifs formed on it will be subjective as well, like they should be....
Hope this answers the questions. Do not forget that English IS my second language and I am sort of tired while typing this right now. If you need clarification of what I am trying to say, let me know and I'll try.
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:42 pm
Like I kind of sort of implied before, if you have the right one, the other goes right along with it. Science and religion don't contradict one another: they go hand in hand and prove each other. Given that you have the right versions of each. Science as "humans evolved from monkeys" is the antithesis of "God created humans," but they're both supposedly theories.
But if you say "God is light" and "Matter cannot travel at the speed of light," then you might go on to say, "If matter could travel at the speed of light, it would become perfect, like God is." So, to answer the question in bold, normative and positive statements are equally important. They complement each other to make the product greater than the sum of the parts.
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