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shall she sail seas
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:48 pm


I know that some of you are college age so you might be able to relate to this a bit more. I'm going to be honest. For all my education and all that I've read and worked, I don't even have a degree.

A lot of my peers find this to be very odd since I seem to know more than they do. My boyfriend, a Ph.D. student, has even said that my thinking ability is that of a graduate student. My own family thinks it's ridiculous and that I'm wasting my life after finishing high school with flying colours. At the time, I didn't want a degree. Well, I still don't want a degree but it's almost a responsibility to my family to work for one.

The biggest roadblock towards this goal is that I don't want to lose my freedom within the realm of learning. I'm deathly afraid of losing this freedom. But at the same time, I know that I need to get my lousy degree so that I could get a job with a higher salary, and calm my parents' minds that I'm not some rebellious eccentric intellectual who will live the second half of my life as a hobo. Plus, one of my goals is to be able to earn enough so that my parents can retire comfortably and live with me and/or my younger brother.

So right now, I'm studying economics, doing fine for the most part. My parents like my choice of major after their loud protests during my visual arts and music phases. But the roadblock is that I find so many flaws in economics. For example, I can't wrap my head around the idea of marginal utility (you seriously think happiness can be measured?) so now I'm doing my own research outside of the requirement and it "slows my whole learning process down".

Everything is telling me I should just bite the bullet and nod at every discourse and ideology thrown at me, but it feels like brainwash... yes, at the university level. If you think high school was bad - where you just memorize facts, university is worse - where you memorize thought processes and apply them.

Is there any coping method that you can think of? I like what I'm learning because I like arguing against the concepts. But it's really slowing me down. And in the long run, from what my boyfriend has told me, the brainwashing just keeps going until you've gained tenure.... So all I'm aiming for is a teeny tiny bachelor's and then I'm running the hell away from academia.

The other part of me says I should just get brainless training and a brainless job so that I would have the freedom to study whatever the hell I want. So far, the two choices I've narrowed down to are cartography and wind turbine technology. Both of them sound straightforward enough. I don't have any troubles with mathematics, logic or manual dexterity.

Economics for a braindead degree? Or braindead certificate?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:01 pm


Well, Im a bit tired, so I dont know if I read your post as thouroughly as I should have, but I think I get the gist of it.

In your position, what I would do, is get the lowest thing possible, at least that your parents would let you get, so you can say, yes, I got the degree. As for coping mechanisms, any time I feel as if Im losing my freedom, I go for a good long romp on the internet, or talk to friends for a while, maybe go somehwere nice and quiet where I dont have to do anything. I know this may not be helpful to you, but its what I do, and it helps me.

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shall she sail seas
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:20 pm


Thing is I can't really decide which is the lowest thing possible: the degree or the certificate? I guess I feel pretty comfortable with what I'm studying right now, in terms of choice of major. It's just that my visible progress is extremely slow and I'm a pain in the a** to certain higher-ups lol

And while I thank you for your suggestions, I don't think the coping mechanisms you're using will be of much help to me. It's more a lack of intellectual freedom than overall freedom. I'm quite self-indulgent though, so I'm still researching whever the hell I want regardless of what people say. But it's not efficient if the goal is to obtain a degree.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:39 pm


Well.. don't think about it. I think that because you KNOW and are so aware of the idea that you are in a school enviroment you are tense, frustrated with it and that slows you down. I don't doubt at all that you are quite a genius, but I believe there are two types of 'screw you!' view: one, is too hate the rules about school and get really bad 'grades' cause of such hate towards the method, or two, is the I really hate school but I'm gonna get all straight A's to prove how dumb this system is.

I gotta admit that although I'm in college, I hate it. The structure isn't so as free as I would like, and I can see how you would dislike it too. But, I plan on doing the latter. Which is to be so awesome grade wise that they will be like "whoa, we suck as a school," and I'll just nod and agree when that day happens. I think if you found a more positive inspiration like this then you can get through most of it. Maybe not all, cause school is a pain but most of it. :]

[.Jewl.]
Vice Captain


shall she sail seas
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:05 pm


I guess, but I could also turn it around and say that not thinking about it means that I'm subjecting myself to brainwash. Or am I just finding excuses? And if I am, for what? It's not like I'm trying to avoid studying either.

And the other side of me agrees with your optimistic point of view. I really should get it the hell over with and wipe my a** with the degree or something. While I was still studying visual arts (and under the illusion that I can turn a passion into a career), I had actually imagined different ways of incorporating my shredded transcript into a piece of artwork after graduation.

I'm still kind of in limbo, but thanks for bringing me a bit closer to Earth.

(And uhh... I guess it's a glitch with the editing thing? They seem to be changing some of the buttons right now.)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:26 pm


Yeah, I can see that following the grade system can be a brainwash method. But my view of brainwash is when you are completely under the influence of others and you have no control of your own. And, the way I look at it is to go along, but be completely aware of what I am doing. I think that questioning yourself isn't bad at all. It keeps you in check from being 'brainwash' and that's okay too. Lol, I'd love to see the piece of art someday of your shredded transcripts, it'd be entertaining.

(lol, I think it was a glitch...freaked me out tho. >.<)

[.Jewl.]
Vice Captain


shall she sail seas
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:40 pm


Aye. That is true. I guess all I really have to do is keep my mind in check. And earlier today, after talking to a few other friends, they were saying I might be having this little mini-crisis because I was over-working myself previously and that I need a REAL method of blowing off steam (because the internet isn't working 100%).

One of them offered to ask her friend if I could go to his place occasionally to play the piano. I've been having cravings ever since I quit studying music. gonk
PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:57 pm


Aw..! that's so true what your friend offered! DO it! take the oppurtunity and play out that frustration! You atleast have a friend who would offer it, I have no idea how to play the piano but I'd love some lessons about now too! Just so I can get a release... cause I gotta admit.. as much as gaia and you guys are to vent on and get a release I still feel unhappy... I hope to do take that chance.. cause it's better than what I have to do! Which is going running out and around looking for something I can healthily release all my stress on!

[.Jewl.]
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Morberticus
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:52 pm


I can't personally comment on the stuff taught in economics classes, but I would say the primary purpose of an undergrad degree is not just to learn stuff, but to learn how to learn stuff. Being awarded a degree means you have shown people that you have a core understanding of a particular field, as well as the capacity to assimilate and understand new information.

Most of the proper 'learning' takes place after your degree, in graduate school.

I've had a relatively positive experience with college. I have a degree in theoretical physics and a masters in mathematics/scientific computing, and will hopefully have a PhD in the next couple of years.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:11 pm


I guess my problem was with "learning how to learn stuff". I tend to be a bit rebellious even at my old-fart-ish age, and question why certain things can't have different learning methods.

I've since talked to quite a few other friends who've graduated, some of which are pursuing a masters... and they said that the biggest problem with me is my impatience. So many of the models I'm currently being taught are outdated and, to me, it's blatantly obvious that they are and it frustrates me. What they've said is quite similar to your reply, Moberticus.

For the most part, I think this issue is resolved, in that I can begrudgingly accept things as they are with the chance of being able to get back to argue against them later.

So I guess the case is closed... for now. xp

shall she sail seas
Vice Captain


[.Jewl.]
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:09 pm


Yaay. I think that it is good that you can have some relief for a temporary closing case. Yeah, this school issue is also part of why I haven't been around... garr.. darn finals. But, now its over with! I think its always healthy to re-visit this topic... but defintely on some other time. :3
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:29 pm


The new math professor at my school told me that I need to focus more on math, and just learn the mechanics of it, because there's no point in thinking about math till you get to the frontier.

I've finally picked a major, but I still don't have any idea about jobs. Jesse, that professor, said that I seem to like solving problems, so he thinks I should get a job doing that. IDKIDKIDK.

Prince Rilian

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