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 Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:24 pm
I want a debate thread, goddamnit. D:<
Hopefully we'll have some opposing views,
'cause otherwise it won't be a debate really.
Meaning like, if everyone thinks abortion is okay,
then we might as well not discuss abortion. rolleyes
There are some ground rules, though,
and I, Sher!ock, am the ultimate decider
of whether someone has crossed the line or not.
Ground Rules ::
arrow Be fair and reasonable. This includes giving in to the other side if it provides a great argument and you have no counterargument. Otherwise, you're just being stubborn.
arrow It's okay if there's some drama, but we aren't here to offend anyone, so try not to go too far. Examples: "Are you serious? Have you seen teenagers lately? They do it all the time. :/" -- okay. "Are you stupid? Teenagers have been doing it since the dawn of time." --not okay (implying the other is stupid, and using extreme exaggeration).
arrow Sources aren't necessary. If you can back yourself up, great, but we aren't that serious here, so we don't expect it.
arrow If you find something that may be offensive, report it to me through PM, and I'll tell you if it was okay or not. If it's not okay, I'll inform the offender. But I highly doubt punishment will be necessary. In most cases, I'm guessing you can just tell the person that it was offensive, and they'll either apologize or explain themselves.
arrow Don't be a p***y. This is a debate thread, so, yeah, at some point, it probably will seem like you're being attacked.
arrow It's okay to get a little off topic. If your debate leads you elsewhere, go with it. I don't care what you debate, really.
arrow I can add more rules if I find it necessary. :b
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:33 pm
Current Debate ::
Sex when both parties are under the age of 15.
[feel free to suggest a new debate]
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:44 am
 On the issue of sex for under 15's when both parties are under 15 I think it's wrong. Not necessarily from a moral ethical point of view but from the point of view of psychology and maturity.
I personally lost my virginity when I was 15, my boyfriend (then and now) was 16 which in the UK is the law of legality. He wasn't sure for months whether I was ready, so we waited and I knew when I was ready. It took months for me to come to that decision and I think alot of had to do with my mature ability to reason, which alot of younger teenagers do not have. The likihood they will remain in that relationship is low and I believe alot of under age sex is down to peer pressure. I know I always felt pressured to have a boyfriend when I was younger, or else I was ugly or uncool.
Some people don't see sex as a big thing but alot of teenagers, more typically girls find it highly important.
It's a tough issue to look at though because of all the variables and on an individual basis/ I also think that a countries laws affect what people think. Quite a few American's I have spoken to thought that the law in the UK for sex is too low because the law there is 18.
I do not see it as a moral issue though, it's not unethical just maybe pretty stupid. I've heard alot of people I know who lost their virginity when they were young regret it. I don't but I'm one of the lucky ones. Not everyone is so lucky.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:53 am
I'd agree that it's less likely that they're mature enough
to handle something so big.
I think they're also less likely to take any education
they've received on the subject seriously.
But of course there are those exceptions
where both individuals would be more mature about it
than maybe a couple of 17 year olds.
I guess we can't really look at it on an individual basis, though,
and say, "Oh, you're mature enough. Go ahead.
No, you're still mentally a little kid. No sex for you."
And although I know a lot of youngsters who've already maturely had sex,
I also know at least one who's ******** it up and got pregnant.
So overall, I'd probably say under 15 isn't right,
for the simple fact that they aren't mature and intelligent enough
to handle it at that age for the most part.
You made an argument about the likelihood
of the couple remaining together,
but I don't really see much importance in that.
If a person feels they're ready,
and they know about their partner's past sex life,
it shouldn't be a requirement that they plan to stick together.
And about the UK law, as an American,
I can say that it's not hard to find 16 year olds here
who aren't virgins any more.
The law sounds fine to me.
Except maybe if that means a 25 year old
can have sex with a 16 year old legally. 
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:45 pm
The lowest age of consent found in some of the states of the US is actually fourteen.
The lowest age of consent in the entire world? twelve, in Angola and Zimbabwe. (yes I looked it up =] source: http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm)
When both parties are under the age of 15? I honestly think that is much better than a 15- year old doing it with someone much older than them, because that is just fishy right there.
Are they really ready for it is the real question right? I don't think so. Even if you think that you are ready and you're mature enough for it, is that really true? If you have any doubt, even a tiny speck of doubt, I know that you aren't ready for it.
That's why so many teenagers regret it later on. I mean, the logic part of your brain doesn't full develop and mature until you're in your 20's.
That is why we have the age of consent, but truly, that law isn't really followed all that well. I mean, my friend lost her virginity to someone in college.
As mentioned by both of you guys, there is the likelihood of the couple remaining together. That's the excuse a lot of people use, that they would stay together forever, but in most cases that really isn't true.
Don't you know the staying that you never end up with your first?
Some teenagers think,"Oh! If I don't stay with my first, then it doesn't matter! I can do it with him because I know that now, for sure, we won't stay together."
As for the others, they believe they are staying together forever, that they'll be some of the few that will make it. I know last year, I remember hearing a conversation between to girls about one losing her virginity. I mean, I really wasn't trying to eavesdrop, they were just talking so loud! If you want to keep it a secret, don't say it so loudly. =/
but she believed that she would stay with her boyfriend forever, that they would get married and live happily ever after.
A week later she was on the bus crying.
Teenagers can get easily pressured and tricked into having sex, and usually they are not ready.
That is why I vow abstinence until I am out of high school.
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:10 am
I think you make some good points, Kyuu.
Especially with that girl crying on the bus.
A lot of people (usually girls?) are pressured or charmed
into doing it when they aren't really ready.
But they're convinced they are.
I wouldn't go as far as vowing abstinence all through high school, though,
but then again, I firmly believe I can trust my own judgement,
and I'd be able to tell if I was ready or not.
& to be honest, if I had a good boyfriend my junior and senior year,
I'd've probably banged him. dramallama
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:41 am
Well, there's a lot of factors that make me have abstinence.
Teenage pregnancy can hit you any time, no matter how careful, STD's that I know teenagers are either not aware of or don't want to tell, crazy asian parents that would kill me, getting pressure or charmed, and the fact that I know I'm not ready for it.
Plus the fact that no one wants me crying
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:12 am
I agree with the naivety of teenagers today, together forever and all that jazz. There's other factors to take into consideration. I honestly don't know if my boyfriend and I will stay together but what happens happens, you don't dwell on what may never be. I'm all for the present baby. wink
Teenage pregnancy is such a big issue here right now. I've never been pregnant but that's only because I am very very careful. Pill and condom combination ftw.
As is the STI issue though, my sister went to a clinic to get checked out when she was 14 last year. neutral
I read in a newspaper that almost all STI cases reported are from students, teenager to young twenties. I know girls who go out, get laid and then panic because they never use a condom. Well to me that's tough luck, you take the risk you face the consequences.
I've never told my mom.. but I think she's guessed. She knows that I'm usually mature about these things. I just.. I dunno we're close but I've never known how to tell her exactly..
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:04 am
Kyuuchan Well, there's a lot of factors that make me have abstinence. Teenage pregnancy can hit you any time, no matter how careful, STD's that I know teenagers are either not aware of or don't want to tell, crazy asian parents that would kill me, getting pressure or charmed, and the fact that I know I'm not ready for it. Plus the fact that no one wants me crying
Aww, poor you. xD
I met someone who wanted to do me. x.x
He said I looked like a fun lay. lol
I agree, Hover, about the tough luck.
It's not like people in our countries aren't educated.
They should know that there are plenty of risks
and they should know how to protect themselves from them.
I dunno how you'd tell your mom either, though. o.o
Maybe it's one of those things best left unsaid. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:44 pm
I don't think I'll ever tell her... until I'm older and have kids.
She'll know by then. xd
The government here want to start basic sexual and relationship education when kids are like 5. Our generation are very very well educated and I don't care what the government say that we aren't.
My Mom's a school nurse and deals with giving lectures on sexual health, we are privileged to have this education anyways.
Tbh, I couldn't have sex with a stranger like alot of people I know do. Emotional attachments! surprised
It's like Booth from the tv series Bones said on an episode I watched yesterday, which was basically "sex with no strings attached when you try and get away from who you really are is crappy sex".
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:37 pm
It's really a shame people don't pay much attention to that education. :/
Hence all the STDs and unwanted pregnancies.
& speaking of STDs, don't you find those commercials weird
where they're like, "Hi, I have herpes."
It's like, if I saw them walking down the street,
I'd be like, "Oh my gosh, that's the girl with herpes."
xD
I wouldn't be able to have sex with a stranger either.
Especially being a girl.
Since girls are physically designed for orgasm,
it takes a lot more than just regular old sex to please them,
and I think that's where emotions come in to play.
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