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 Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:02 am
I will be starting from a few faults,adding up in time.
Tittles
1.Women in Islam are claimed to be oppressed because they have to wear hijabs and such by non-Muslims.
-what does Mary(mother of Jesus/Isa) wear?
She wore a hijab and cover herself. Is it wrong for Muslims women to wear them? To protect themselves from human stares?
-what do the nuns wear?
They are respected for their religious beliefs. They wear hijabs, but do they get mocked? No. Then why do Muslim women are mocked?
-is it wrong to protect themselves from rising lust?
Covering yourself will help you prevent lust from arousing. For example, look at the women nowadays, poorly covered, doesn't that help to arouse lust?
-is it wrong to help the world to reduce crime rates?
Rapes cases run wild nowadays. And their majority of victims are those sexy ones.
2.Christian bibles had been changed and they still follow it.
-parts for bibles are written by humans such as Luthor, Mark and such on(even people who hate Jesus)
Bibles had been changed for so long now and they know tat humans write most of the pages in them. Why do they listen to humans, not their God?
-can be said as pornography because altered by humans.
Erm...as you know, inside the bibles, there are sexually explicit things.http://www.jamaat.net/combatkit/combat.html
-bibles had been altered. Are they still pure?
How can something that has been changed pure?
-does anything in the bible proven scientifically?
Unlike the Quran,which had been proven by Science,for example,at the time when the Quran descended, there was already about how humans are formed. How is it that the Quran have already have the information which people need microscope to investigate?It's not written by any humans.It was sent down by Allah. You don't expect Muhammad(peace be upon him) to investigate it using a microscope and then blow the microscope?It wasn't created that time and already, the information is there. IS there anything in the bible had been proven true which cannot be proven before?
*add up note(A roman king or was it Greek king had a meeting with Bishops and such.They agreed when the king said that Jesus cannot just be a human sacrifice, so he said that it is better to label him as son of Allah.They all agreed.The birthday of Jesus were claimed to be the same as their God they worshiped.The Sun God.)
3.Lying Christians said Islam spread by sword.
-do they even know the story?
Rasulullah(peace be upon him) sent messengers to some countries. The messengers sent are killed. And after that, they declared war. It was only a matter of self-defense and they conquered that country,just so that Islam can be recognized and people would be Muslims without force
-how did Islam reach to Asia even though they haven't reached here?
They used words and marriage and even traders who travel around the world. Never force.
4.Christians view on God
-associating Allah with others
They believe that God need help. They associate Jibril and Isa to be His helpers. Meaning to say that they think that their God is weak. This is syirik and syirik is an unforgivable sin.
-God's appearance
They draw God in the form of a human even though that God is nothing like His creations. How do they know how God looks like when they have never even seen Him?
-They claim that Jibril/Holy Spirit is a part of God
Jibril is an angel, not God. Jibril is Allah's creation, not His fraction.
That's all for this time.(Sleepy)
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:04 am
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:05 am
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:14 pm
LoGa Knight I will be starting from a few faults,adding up in time. Tittles 1.Women in Islam are claimed to be oppressed because they have to wear hijabs and such by non-Muslims. But, they believe this because in fundamentalist countries women are forced to do parda.......which is against Islamic teachings. Quote: -what does Mary(mother of Jesus/Isa) wear? She wore a hijab and cover herself. Is it wrong for Muslims women to wear them? To protect themselves from human stares? It think they only portray Maryam wearing a hijaab (correct me if I'm wrong) when she was a virgin.....after that in all their paintings they show her with hair. Quote: -what do the nuns wear? They are respected for their religious beliefs. They wear hijabs, but do they get mocked? No. Then why do Muslim women are mocked? Actually nuns are also not wearing Hijaab's anymore nowadays. Quote: -is it wrong to protect themselves from rising lust? Covering yourself will help you prevent lust from arousing. For example, look at the women nowadays, poorly covered, doesn't that help to arouse lust? Covering oneself at the time of the Holy Prophet (saw) was not so that man could deal with their problems of lust. The hijaab was not made to make man's life easier, it was created to make a woman's life easier. At the time of the Holy Prophet (saw) women were treated like animals and slaves. They had no respect. But, respectful women, or women of status used to cover their hair to show dignity. Therefore, it became an Islamic practice as well, so that women who were even of lower classes would be shown respect. It was always created so that women could show modesty, and feel modesty inside themselves. Quote: -is it wrong to help the world to reduce crime rates? Rapes cases run wild nowadays. And their majority of victims are those sexy ones. Parda doesn't help reduce rape. Who told you that? In Pakistan rape is still rampant. And in Iran (or was it Iraq?) women who do parda have also resorted to things like prostitution. Which is against Islamic teachings. But, I'm not saying that westerner's shouldn't cover themselves. They definitely should. Quote: 2.Christian bibles had been changed and they still follow it. -parts for bibles are written by humans such as Luthor, Mark and such on(even people who hate Jesus) Bibles had been changed for so long now and they know tat humans write most of the pages in them. Why do they listen to humans, not their God? No Christian hates Jesus (as). They think he has divine qualities. And have you ever read the bible to say it has been changed? The bible (the original) was actually words of God by the way. Muslims, as one of their pillars of faith, are told to believe in Holy Books that were made by Prophets. Quote: -can be said as pornography because altered by humans. Erm...as you know, inside the bibles, there are sexually explicit things. Where? Where's you're proof? Quote: -bibles had been altered. Are they still pure? How can something that has been changed pure? Agreed. Quote: -does anything in the bible proven scientifically? Unlike the Quran,which had been proven by Science,for example,at the time when the Quran descended, there was already about how humans are formed. How is it that the Quran have already have the information which people need microscope to investigate?It's not written by any humans.It was sent down by Allah. You don't expect Muhammad(peace be upon him) to investigate it using a microscope and then blow the microscope?It wasn't created that time and already, the information is there. IS there anything in the bible had been proven true which cannot be proven before? Yes, miracles in the bible when interpreted correctly can be proved scientifically. For example, the story of Moses (as) when he was running away from the Pharaoh and the water parted for him. The Bible mentions the crossing of the sea in the following words: �And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all the night and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand and on their left. And the Egyptians pursued and went in after them to the midst of the sea. And the Lord said unto Moses, �Stretch out thine hand over the sea.� And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea and the sea returned to its strength. And the waters returned and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.� (Exodus 14:21-2 cool The Holy Quran says: �And remember the time when we divided the sea for you and saved you and drowned Pharaoh�s people while you looked on.� (2:51) �And when the two hosts came in sight of each other the companions of Moses said, �We are surely overtaken� � Then we revealed to Moses saying, �Strike the sea with thy rod.� Whereupon it parted and every part was like a huge sand-hill.� (26:62-64) Along with it read also, �And leave the sea at a time when it is motionless. Surely, they are a host which is doomed to be drowned.� (44:25) When Moses and the Israelites arrived at the northern extremity of the Red Sea, the ebb of the tide had begun. As the water receded, it left behind dunes, the tops of which were gradually uncovered, leaving the intervening depressions full of water. The Israelites crossed over at that moment. On arrival at the spot the Egyptian forces saw a bare stretch of the shore and pursued the fugitives, their chariot wheels stuck fast in the wet soil and the water returned upon them when the wind shifted and they were thus destroyer by God. *add up note(A roman king or was it Greek king had a meeting with Bishops and such.They agreed when the king said that Jesus cannot just be a human sacrifice, so he said that it is better to label him as son of Allah.They all agreed.The birthday of Jesus were claimed to be the same as their God they worshiped.The Sun God.) Quote: 3.Lying Christians said Islam spread by sword. -do they even know the story? Rasulullah(peace be upon him) sent messengers to some countries. The messengers sent are killed. And after that, they declared war. It was only a matter of self-defense and they conquered that country,just so that Islam can be recognized and people would be Muslims without force -how did Islam reach to Asia even though they haven't reached here? They used words and marriage and even traders who travel around the world. Never force. The reason they believe this is because Islamic fundamentalists twist the teachings of the Holy Qur'an and then teach inaccurate verses to their disciples. So if even some Muslims are taught this propaganda, and believe it then of course non-Muslims are going to pick up the wrong message. That is why the people who know the truth are supposed to go around and teach them the truth. Quote: 4.Christians view on God -associating Allah with others They believe that God need help. They associate Jibril and Isa to be His helpers. Meaning to say that they think that their God is weak. This is syirik and syirik is an unforgivable sin. No they don't. Quote: -God's appearance They draw God in the form of a human even though that God is nothing like His creations. How do they know how God looks like when they have never even seen Him? They never said they believe that God came to earth as a human. They believe in Trinity. God, Jesus (as) as a divine being (aka the son of God), and the Holy Spirit (aka Jesus when he was in human form on earth) Quote: -They claim that Jibril/Holy Spirit is a part of God Jibril is an angel, not God. Jibril is Allah's creation, not His fraction. wrong. If you are going to post something like this, please do your research on other faiths. I am not a supporter of Chrisitanity, but if you post false information about them then you will be the same as those Christians who believe that Jihad is a means of terrorism.
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:03 am
Your comments are mostly untrue.
And about women wearing hijabs, it is to reduce the chance of being rape, decreasing such cases. And it is compulsory to wear so.
Paintings, they never truly show what's true. For example the picture of Allah, they drew Him as He was a human. I ask you this, is He human?
Nowadays, you will find that many religious people don't act religious anymore.
And have I ever said that women wearing hijabs man's life easier? I said it helps reduce lustfulness.
I am saying about rape cases, not prostitutions. And are you saying that all Muslims are in Pakistan, you are not taking other countries as consideration. And I said reduce the crime rates. If lustfulness is decreased, surely you will see that the crime rates would fall.
I am saying that even people who hates him write things to be inserted into the bibble.
I am not saying that they write about Jesus himself.
Actually, Quran was the first scripture. But it was given last. All of the three scriptures which was sent down earlier than the Quran are only parts of the Quran. Allah trained men from carrying small things, to big things. For example, drinking used to be halal for them but not anymore.
The original one is correct, I am saying about those bibles you see every day. They are altered ones.
There has been in the bible that a certain prophet having many concubines. And how a brother rapes his sister and such.
And here, you yourself agreed that the bible had been altered. Does that make them righteous to follow?
I am not saying about that. That even Muslims know without the need to read the bible. Have the bible said anything about the fraction of the worlds? The distance of the twin stars from our planet? No.
And I should reply this because? The whole point of me typing this all down is to spread truth.
Trinity, they believe in that, aren't they associating Allah with Isa and the Hoy Spirit.
I am saying about them drawing how Allah look like. Not that God had cam to Earth. Jesus is Jesus. And Jesus was no God and you know it. If you don't, you should because Allah is the only God there is. Don't you believe in His Oneess?
I have done my research, have you done yours?
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:25 pm
LoGa Knight Your comments are mostly untrue. No they aren't. I live in a Chrisitian country. I have Christian friends. I study other faiths. I think I should know. Quote: And about women wearing hijabs, it is to reduce the chance of being rape, decreasing such cases. And it is compulsory to wear so. Right, and you should know because you are a Muslim woman right? I know it cumpulsory to wear them. I think I understand a bit what you are trying to say, but you shouldn't say it this way. Yes, pardah can be a way to prevet rape. But, that does not mean a woman who does pardah won't or can't get raped. Pardah is necessary so that men won't get evil thoughts in their mind and try to win over a girls affection starting the whole dating system, and sex before marriage system. Guys that see girls curves, find it difficult not to hit on or flirt with these women. Quote: Paintings, they never truly show what's true. For example the picture of Allah, they drew Him as He was a human. I ask you this, is He human? I never said they show the truth. I'm just saying that they don't show Mary in a veil all the time.....only when she was a virign. They never drew Allah as a human. I think you are referring to the portraits they made of Jesus Christ (as). Quote: Nowadays, you will find that many religious people don't act religious anymore. Agreed....thats why Islam and other faiths have dire need for a reformer now-a-days. Quote: And have I ever said that women wearing hijabs man's life easier? I said it helps reduce lustfulness. No I said that, because that is the message I got from your words. Quote: I am saying about rape cases, not prostitutions. And are you saying that all Muslims are in Pakistan, you are not taking other countries as consideration. And I said reduce the crime rates. If lustfulness is decreased, surely you will see that the crime rates would fall. The crime rate won't fall just because women start doing Pardah. Crime rates can only fall, when beleivers hearts are changed for the better. Which right now.......in most cases they aren't. Prostitution and rape are pretty much the same thing....... The difference is that in rape the female gets nothing back in return (aka money) Quote: Actually, Quran was the first scripture. But it was given last. All of the three scriptures which was sent down earlier than the Quran are only parts of the Quran. Allah trained men from carrying small things, to big things. For example, drinking used to be halal for them but not anymore. The Qur'an was not the first scripture. How can the Qur'an be the first scripture when Hadhrat Muhammed (saw) was the last law-bearing Prophet? The Qur'an was the last scripture that was written that included all the teachigs of the previous Prophets, and had perfected them. Quote: The original one is correct, I am saying about those bibles you see every day. They are altered ones. Okay. Quote: There has been in the bible that a certain prophet having many concubines. And how a brother rapes his sister and such. Really? Never heard of that. Can you provide the verse's....or a site that has the verse's on them. I would like to see for myself. Quote: And here, you yourself agreed that the bible had been altered. Does that make them righteous to follow? I'm not saying they should be followed at all. Allah's religion that was created for man is Islam. Even Isa (as) in his teachings and practices was a Muslim. Quote: I am not saying about that. That even Muslims know without the need to read the bible. Have the bible said anything about the fraction of the worlds? The distance of the twin stars from our planet? No. I already know that. But, you should present your information or argument in a better manner. Quote: Trinity, they believe in that, aren't they associating Allah with Isa and the Hoy Spirit. Yes, they have confused their own teachings and have been led to commit Shirk. The original teachings of Isa (as) were never this. Trinity is their own imaginary concept. Quote: And Jesus was no God and you know it. If you don't, you should because Allah is the only God there is. Don't you believe in His Oneess? Of course I believe in the Oneness of Allah. How could I be a Muslim if I didn't?
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:05 pm
I study in a Christian school and I have seen how they pray and such. I also study other religions other than my own. I have many Christians friends as well. And some are Buddhist and atheist. So, you cannot say I lack the knowledge of Christianity. I said reduce. I didn't say guarentee. It reduces lust. Understand what it means first. If you already know, try thinking it in a detailed way. Even you yourself said it can prevent rape. So? I didn't say you did. Is what they draw are really her? That's what I want to know. And how can this be proven? I agree. And so, this problem is solved. My words? Read again carefully. Rape is sex by force. Prostitution is selling yourself for money in order for sexual services. Got that memorized? Rape is forced, even if the women hearts are pure of any evil and bad things, without their will, they will still be raped. So, basicly, less lust, less rapes, less crime rates. If you believe it was so and so it shall be to you. Basicly, this makes no different. The Holy Book is still the Holy Book. Done. I will try finding the few verses again and I will update it into the first post. I don't memorize the bible. And right now, I haven't even memorized the Quran. Well, you can search here. http://www.jamaat.net/combatkit/combat.htmlProblem solved. I'll try. Humans makes mistake. Done. And done.
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:31 pm
Oh my. Both of you guys are Muslims right???
You shouldn't be fighting.
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