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henrytownshend4235 Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:22 am
It is strongly believed Pyramid Head is Jimmy Stone, Walter's first victim. Seeing how each of Walter's victims comes back in the game to attack Henry, it supports Jimmy Stone being Pyramid Head because there were a few victims you never see in the game, and Jimmy Stone was one of them. *meaning if you DID see victim 1 in the game, you probably would of seen Pyramid Head* Why Jimmy Stone? Jimmy wore a triangular hood during ceremonies. ALL OF WALTERS VICTIMS TURNED INTO MONSTERS OF SOME KIND WHETHER THEY APPEAR IN THE GAME OR NOT! So, Jimmy would have HAD to become a monster..... Triangular Hood = Pyramid Head? I think so. Pyramid Head's appearance resembles that of the old executioners in Silent Hill. When you go to the Silent Hill Society by the entrance to Lakeside Amusement Park, there is a painting of pyramid head. http://www.davyjonespain.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/pyramid_head.jpg As you can see, Pyramid Head had "judged" the victims hanging around him. He uses a judgement method on Maria right before you fight 2 pyramid heads. He is PROVOKED to personally pursue someone or something until it has been punished/judged. Alyssa needed it to punish the cult. *silent hill movie* James needed it to punish himself. When the monster has completed it's task or is relieved of duty, it kills itself, but does not perminently go away. It is believed the Valtiel Sect wore executioner outfits depicted throughout Silent Hill 2. James fights two pyramid heads at the ending because one is punishment for killing Mary, the other is for killing Eddie. Pyramid Head is the only one who can kill himself, but he can relieve himself of his duties once the person he is pursuing is dead, or they realize they don't need punishment anymore. In the Silent Hill Movie, Pyramid Head is depicted as a normal monster that, when not pursuing his goal, attacks people who initially had nothing to do with his goal, making him appear as a normal monster *its a possibility*. However, if Pyramid Head IS Jimmy Stone, then we know for a fact Pyramid Head is a real monster, just like all the others.
If anyone has other information regarding pyramid head, please post it here.
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:05 pm
~~~*Update*~~~ In the picture in the link above, the bodies around pyramid head are in wierd cage looking things. In Silent Hill 4, in Forest World 1st time, when you are walking down the trail and that wierd spiky tarp falls infront of you, go over to the right and look up, you will see the same cage device but with an upside down manequin inside. 3 notes visible from this: 1) Jimmy Stone IS Pyramid Head, and as all victims, he has demonstrated his hostility by shoving a manequin into a cage device. 2) It could be just a Silent Hill reference as a reminder of a similar punishment method Pyramid head used before and the old executioners. OR 3) It could of just been put there to add to the chill factor of SH4.
Personally I put more money towards 1 & 2. Anymore similarities or occurences will be posted.
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henrytownshend4235 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:49 pm
how do u know all this u do research or somethin sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:11 pm
You know that actually makes a lot of sense. It sounds more like speculation from playing the games than what you have gotten from research. But I think you've stumbled onto something.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:40 am
Actually I think you can find it on wikipedia. No offense. sweatdrop
I agree with the theory though.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:03 am
Necro-Chromatic Actually I think you can find it on wikipedia. No offense. sweatdrop I agree with the theory though. well der you can find it on wikipedia, that's where anyone who gives a crap about SH does their research first *with examples and citations.... the info i get there can be pretty legit, lol regardless of the bullcrap posts some people make*
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henrytownshend4235 Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:15 pm
man you are ******** smart i never ever made thouse connections
HAIL SMART MAN mrgreen
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:33 am
kazako overlord of echii man you are ******** smart i never ever made thouse connections HAIL SMART MAN mrgreen Majority of the info I know I learn from Wikipedia and other sites. Then I go into the games and varify my information and I check citations *heh, i wouldn't post bull in the Silent Hill History subforum*. It's about half-half..... half i learn from internet, half I learn from personal experiences...
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henrytownshend4235 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:57 pm
That is interesting, but I'm not entirely sure if Jimmy Stone actually is Pyramid Head or not... I hate having to refere to Wikipedia, but it's most convenient right now. x__x; Quote: In the additional back story material created by the game's designers[1] it was explained that the physical appearance of Pyramid Head was an effect of James' fascination with Silent Hill's history. As revealed throughout the game, Pyramid Head's appearance was a variation of the outfits of the executioners from times past, who wore red hoods and ceremonial robes to make themselves similar to the Valtiel, the angel of the town. He was born out of the towns peoples' idolatrous ideologies.[2] According to documents created for the release of Silent Hill 4: The Room, a sect of the Silent Hill cult (the "Valtiel Sect") wore the executioner's costume depicted in Silent Hill 2. His helmet is also a possible reference to Jimmy Stone (a high member of the cult of Silent Hill and Walter Sullivan's first victim), as when performing certain rituals he would wear a red triangular hood, which earned him the nickname red devil, a term constantly mentioned throughout the series. It is more likely that Jimmy Stone and Pyramid Head are visually referencing the same historic individuals. This portion here seems to suggest that Pyramid Head and Jimmy Stone might both be referencing to the same idea, but not that Jimmy Stone is literally Pyramid Head. It sounds like Pyramid Head is a result of James's own psyche. Since our ol' boy was in Silent Hill those years ago with Mary, there's no doubt that he might have picked up on some information about the Valtiel Sect and maybe saw some pictures of their executioner garb. Then when James came to Silent Hill later, his psyche produced a completely new monster that resembled perhaps even Jimmy Stone, but that would not exactly mean that Pyramid Head was Jimmy Stone. Lot's of people think of Pyramid Head as a religious Silent Hill figure, but to me, the Red Pyramid seems more like a personalized monster constructed only by James, which is why Heather (Alessa herself) never encounters this monster, nor does even Harry Mason. Evidently, not even Henry encounters Pyramid Head, because that particular monster is only of James's personal creation. I could be wrong on all of this, but it might be that Pyramid Head resembles Jimmy Stone out of coincidence and from what James saw... but I don't think they were really meant to be the same person. Consider that James could automatically create a second Pyramid Head, the moments after he killed Eddie... Pyramid Heads pop up only around James, at least, if you don't count the movie. sweatdrop Considering the movie miscasted Alessa's persuing parent, created an aunt to burn Alessa instead of using the girl's real mother, changed Alessa's name to Sharon instead of Cheryl, and many other last minute entertainment decisions such as that, Pyramid Head's appearance in the movie is just as questionable and misleading as Crystabella's. I don't think the movie could be considered very canon, since it makes changes such as this (it turned Harry Mason into a woman, for pizza's sake! rofl ). So the movie is not entirely reliable in reference to the intended Silent Hill plot... ninja I'd heard one theory a while ago, that even suggested that James transformed into Pyramid Head, after he might have decided to stay in Silent Hill, boating out to that island. sweatdrop That's a bit iffy too, if you ask me... but would be a VERY interesting ending. x3 The chonology makes sense, at least. sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:05 am
Pipe Private That is interesting, but I'm not entirely sure if Jimmy Stone actually is Pyramid Head or not... I hate having to refere to Wikipedia, but it's most convenient right now. x__x; Quote: In the additional back story material created by the game's designers[1] it was explained that the physical appearance of Pyramid Head was an effect of James' fascination with Silent Hill's history. As revealed throughout the game, Pyramid Head's appearance was a variation of the outfits of the executioners from times past, who wore red hoods and ceremonial robes to make themselves similar to the Valtiel, the angel of the town. He was born out of the towns peoples' idolatrous ideologies.[2] According to documents created for the release of Silent Hill 4: The Room, a sect of the Silent Hill cult (the "Valtiel Sect") wore the executioner's costume depicted in Silent Hill 2. His helmet is also a possible reference to Jimmy Stone (a high member of the cult of Silent Hill and Walter Sullivan's first victim), as when performing certain rituals he would wear a red triangular hood, which earned him the nickname red devil, a term constantly mentioned throughout the series. It is more likely that Jimmy Stone and Pyramid Head are visually referencing the same historic individuals. This portion here seems to suggest that Pyramid Head and Jimmy Stone might both be referencing to the same idea, but not that Jimmy Stone is literally Pyramid Head. It sounds like Pyramid Head is a result of James's own psyche. Since our ol' boy was in Silent Hill those years ago with Mary, there's no doubt that he might have picked up on some information about the Valtiel Sect and maybe saw some pictures of their executioner garb. Then when James came to Silent Hill later, his psyche produced a completely new monster that resembled perhaps even Jimmy Stone, but that would not exactly mean that Pyramid Head was Jimmy Stone. Lot's of people think of Pyramid Head as a religious Silent Hill figure, but to me, the Red Pyramid seems more like a personalized monster constructed only by James, which is why Heather (Alessa herself) never encounters this monster, nor does even Harry Mason. Evidently, not even Henry encounters Pyramid Head, because that particular monster is only of James's personal creation. I could be wrong on all of this, but it might be that Pyramid Head resembles Jimmy Stone out of coincidence and from what James saw... but I don't think they were really meant to be the same person. Consider that James could automatically create a second Pyramid Head, the moments after he killed Eddie... Pyramid Heads pop up only around James, at least, if you don't count the movie. sweatdrop Considering the movie miscasted Alessa's persuing parent, created an aunt to burn Alessa instead of using the girl's real mother, changed Alessa's name to Sharon instead of Cheryl, and many other last minute entertainment decisions such as that, Pyramid Head's appearance in the movie is just as questionable and misleading as Crystabella's. I don't think the movie could be considered very canon, since it makes changes such as this (it turned Harry Mason into a woman, for pizza's sake! rofl ). So the movie is not entirely reliable in reference to the intended Silent Hill plot... ninja I'd heard one theory a while ago, that even suggested that James transformed into Pyramid Head, after he might have decided to stay in Silent Hill, boating out to that island. sweatdrop That's a bit iffy too, if you ask me... but would be a VERY interesting ending. x3 The chonology makes sense, at least. sweatdrop Hmm...... well I can't say much cuz I reference Wikipedia a lot *but i literally take the time to go through and varify everything im posting*. However, Walter Sullivan killed Jimmy Stone well before James visited Silent Hill. True that James might of seen some pictures of him or something similar, but knowing all of Walter's victims became monsters of some kind to show hostility, that is what makes it a plausible statement as to whether Jimmy Stone is Pyramid head or not. It claims Pyramid Head was made from the town's Ideologies, but didn't you know Walter Sullivan was raised and taught by The Order? Meaning, wouldn't Walter Sullivan also share the ideologies that the town shared? I don't think a variation of different outfits has any "proof" effect that James was effecting his appearance.... *not saying Pyramid Head does a wardrobe check before he appears*. However, if James "did" effect his appearance, why is Pyramid Head in Homecomming? THAT is why I claim Pyramid Head to be Jimmy Stone. Walter Sullivan's monsters never fade away because his monsters weren't derived from a fear or internal feeling. His monster's are victims that were, if you don't mind me paraphrasing from text in silent hill 4: swallowed up by that world, so they will wander, undyingAh, now that is a set of doctrine we can really derive some motives from. Now come to think of it, Jimmy Stone was killed by Walter Sullivan, whom derives from that world, correct? So based on the statement above, Jimmy Stone would have became a monster and wandered the world of Silent Hill undying. Now, knowingly you never run across Jimmy Stone in SH4, so there is no resistance comming from someone trying to say "Well Jimmy was this monster, or Jimmy was that monster" from sh4..... However, with the monster conversions of people Walter kills, since Walter killed Jimmy Stone before James got there..... Doesn't that give a strong aura of Pyramid Head being Jimmy Stone? I mean, what other monster can give ANY symbolism to Jimmy Stone other than Pyramid Head? And now that we are on board with knowing Walter's monsters never fade, wouldn't that give good reason for Pyramid Head being in Homecomming as well? Now it is mentioned that the monsters derived from Walter's mind, just saying that before someone tries to throw it in my face, but then again, I want you all to remember Walter Sullivan can't die because of the ritual he did to release himself of the bonds of flesh and blood. So knowing that, we can abolish any sense of thinking Walter died and his monsters faded. Now how can you defend an arguement statement when you posted: "Pyramid Head's appearance was effected by James" "Pyramid Head was created from the town's ideologies" Now if you want to look at it from a "more promising" way..... Walter Sullivan turned Jimmy Stone into Pyramid Head based on the town's Ideologies from which he was raised, but that would abolish the thought of James every contributing to the appearance of Pyramid Head. Now before someone jumps the gun and yells at me for stating that, think hard...... "Walter sullivan creates pyramid head from the ideologies.... meaning Pyramid Head would already look the way he does.... because James went to Silent Hill, it appears that Pyramid Head was effected by James's mind, but in all actuallity, pyramid head already looked that way. Pyramid Head hunted down james because Pyramid Head seeks out people who need punishment/judgement, like the old executioners which derived from the towns Ideologies..... so if Walter Sullivan made Pyramid Head based on the town's ideologies, wouldn't that make Pyramid Head already and instinctively want to hunt down people who need punishment/judgement?
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henrytownshend4235 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:24 pm
"Walter Sullivan killed Jimmy Stone well before James visited Silent Hill. "Yes, that's right... Because James was constructing his mental imagery based on Silent Hill's "Historical Influence." Ergo, all things historical and already past. Since Jimmy Stone was in Silent Hill's past, it makes sense that his documented appearance somewhere could have affected James's imaginings of a personalized monster. "True that James might of seen some pictures of him or something similar, but knowing all of Walter's victims became monsters of some kind to show hostility, that is what makes it a plausible statement as to whether Jimmy Stone is Pyramid head or not. "That certainly does make it a possibility. I did not see all of the monsters that Walter's other victims transformed into, though. I know that the first woman became a ghost. If Walter's other victims became ghost-like in a manner and form similar to hers, I may have to be a bit more skeptical about the possibility. What did Walter's other victims look like, as monsters? I imagine they were not all ghosts like that woman, yes? I just want to be certain of that. sweatdrop It's a good possibility, but I'd like more particular evidence to help back it up. "It claims Pyramid Head was made from the town's Ideologies, but didn't you know Walter Sullivan was raised and taught by The Order? Meaning, wouldn't Walter Sullivan also share the ideologies that the town shared?"This I definitely knew. x3 Now here's a problem we have to consider: Quote: As revealed throughout the game, Pyramid Head's appearance was a variation of the outfits of the executioners from times past, who wore red hoods and ceremonial robes to make themselves similar to the Valtiel, the angel of the town. He was born out of the towns peoples' idolatrous ideologies.[2] If we intend to use this statement to construct a hypothesis, we need to break this segment down a bit more. The segment says "As revealed.. Pyramid Head's appearance... (blah blah, outfits of executioners, etc)... who wore red hoods and ceremonial robes to make themselves similar to the Valtiel, the angel of the town. So Valtiel is an angel of the town. Their sect more or less worhips this angel. Therefore, their "idolatrous ideologies" and beliefs spawn from this religious aspect and Valtiel is, as we see, a real physical being in Silent Hill (unless of course, that is Heather's personalized monster. oO; That's another basket of eggs to consider). "He (meaning Pyramid Head? Or Valtiel? The way Silent Hill works, we're not really sure, here) was born out of the towns peoples' idolatrous ideologies." This could also literally mean that Pyramid Head was constructed by James, who saw examples of the townspeople's cult-like characteristics. By a strange chain of events, one could just as easily say that Pyramid Head was inadvertantly developed by the ideologies of the people based on a metaphorical sense of the term. ninja Think of it like a ladder, ya? Jimmy Stone and his Cult Pals are idolizing Valtiel. They wear robes. James sees. Imagines Pyramid Head. Inadvertantly, Pyramid Head is created by the nature of the people's cult-like habits. That is how he was born "out of the towns people's idolatrous ideologies." But this is why I can't trust Wikipedia. We're trying to interpret someone else's interpretation and the statement they have made is a confusing one. So that whole statement is a weak one. Still, there's nothing anywhere that claims Jimmy Stone to actually be Pyramid Head. What you are leaning on is the fact that Walter's victims turn into monsters, the shape of the guy's hood and the fact that Walter kept refering to a "Red Devil." But Jimmy Stone isn't the only candidate for being a red devil. We have the Red God of Silent Hill to consider, after all. ninja What I'm actually leaning on, is what I have seen stated by Team Silent. Translated Silent Hill PagesFor Pyramid Head, the text reads: "'Pyramid Head' takes the apparent appearance of an executioner of times past, but is actually incarnated from the part of James's conciousness that feels he deserves punishment."It says it right there, "is actually incarnated from the part of James's conciousness," but it does not say that Pyramid Head is the executioner of times past. It says "of an" executioner. Pyramid Head is very possibly based off of Jimmy Stone, but he's not meant to actually be Jimmy Stone. Valtiel's relation to Pyramid HeadHave you considered that it has literally been stated that if Pyramid Head's helmet were removed, he would resemble Valtiel? By only referencing to circumstancial appearance, I could just as easily say that Jimmy Stone turned into Valtiel. That's who he'd be, nixing the helmet, after all. Now that would be claiming that Jimmy Stone was an angel. This guy would be really going up in rank! @_@ "However, if James "did" effect his appearance, why is Pyramid Head in Homecomming? THAT is why I claim Pyramid Head to be Jimmy Stone."That would be some resounding evidence to consider. x3 I've not yet heard that Pyramid Head was in Homecoming! Can you show me a trailer? I wanna seeee! XDDDDD If Pyramid Head shows up in SH5, that'll blow some structured storyline clear out of the water, and then we would have to conclude that Pyramid Head is at least something more than a monster pulled out of James's psyche. But I would recommend a pause before jumping the gun, too much. The problem with Homecoming is that as many people have noticed, it is based VERY much off of the movie. The movie has proven to be unreliable, in accordance to Silent Hill canon and plot. crying If Silent Hill 5 is basing much of its attraction off of the movie, then Silent Hill's plot as we know it is screwed. If Pyramid Head shows up in SH5, they are doing it for publicity and to get the game to sell (they are blatently basing their game style off of the movie. That's James's nurses you see in Homecoming, just like in the movie), because many people show their love for our sadistic ol' Triangle Man. D: heart If that's the case, then we can't really be certain of Pyramid Head's real origins UNTIL we get a shot at playing Silent Hill 5, which will be responsible for a well needed explination. "However, with the monster conversions of people Walter kills, since Walter killed Jimmy Stone before James got there..... Doesn't that give a strong aura of Pyramid Head being Jimmy Stone? I mean, what other monster can give ANY symbolism to Jimmy Stone other than Pyramid Head?"Walter killed two other people too, didn't he? You have to read about them from a paper in a dumpster as James. Those kids were.... Walter's victims? I'm not entirely clear on their relation to Walter's goals, and so I'm not even sure if those two people would have turned into monsters (I can't even remember if they were kids or not. I keep thinking kids). If Jimmy Stone could have appeared as Pyramid because he died before James got there, what about those other two victims? Where were they? The problem here, is that Team Silent did not originally intend for Pyramid Head to be anything beyond James's imagination. When Silent Hill 4 was established, that began this whole other plot theory. This plot theory does work. x3 BUT I don't think it's as closely connected as some believe it to be. Pyramid Head may be referencing to this executioner, Jimmy Stone, but Pyramid Head and Jimmy Stone are not the same invidivual... One other thing I can't help wondering... There is one Jimmy Stone. Why are there two Pyramid Heads? @_@;;;; Can Jim multiply? o______@;;
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:22 am
Pipe Private "Walter Sullivan killed Jimmy Stone well before James visited Silent Hill. "Yes, that's right... Because James was constructing his mental imagery based on Silent Hill's "Historical Influence." Ergo, all things historical and already past. Since Jimmy Stone was in Silent Hill's past, it makes sense that his documented appearance somewhere could have affected James's imaginings of a personalized monster. "True that James might of seen some pictures of him or something similar, but knowing all of Walter's victims became monsters of some kind to show hostility, that is what makes it a plausible statement as to whether Jimmy Stone is Pyramid head or not. "That certainly does make it a possibility. I did not see all of the monsters that Walter's other victims transformed into, though. I know that the first woman became a ghost. If Walter's other victims became ghost-like in a manner and form similar to hers, I may have to be a bit more skeptical about the possibility. What did Walter's other victims look like, as monsters? I imagine they were not all ghosts like that woman, yes? I just want to be certain of that. sweatdrop It's a good possibility, but I'd like more particular evidence to help back it up. "It claims Pyramid Head was made from the town's Ideologies, but didn't you know Walter Sullivan was raised and taught by The Order? Meaning, wouldn't Walter Sullivan also share the ideologies that the town shared?"This I definitely knew. x3 Now here's a problem we have to consider: Quote: As revealed throughout the game, Pyramid Head's appearance was a variation of the outfits of the executioners from times past, who wore red hoods and ceremonial robes to make themselves similar to the Valtiel, the angel of the town. He was born out of the towns peoples' idolatrous ideologies.[2] If we intend to use this statement to construct a hypothesis, we need to break this segment down a bit more. The segment says "As revealed.. Pyramid Head's appearance... (blah blah, outfits of executioners, etc)... who wore red hoods and ceremonial robes to make themselves similar to the Valtiel, the angel of the town. So Valtiel is an angel of the town. Their sect more or less worhips this angel. Therefore, their "idolatrous ideologies" and beliefs spawn from this religious aspect and Valtiel is, as we see, a real physical being in Silent Hill (unless of course, that is Heather's personalized monster. oO; That's another basket of eggs to consider). "He (meaning Pyramid Head? Or Valtiel? The way Silent Hill works, we're not really sure, here) was born out of the towns peoples' idolatrous ideologies." This could also literally mean that Pyramid Head was constructed by James, who saw examples of the townspeople's cult-like characteristics. By a strange chain of events, one could just as easily say that Pyramid Head was inadvertantly developed by the ideologies of the people based on a metaphorical sense of the term. ninja Think of it like a ladder, ya? Jimmy Stone and his Cult Pals are idolizing Valtiel. They wear robes. James sees. Imagines Pyramid Head. Inadvertantly, Pyramid Head is created by the nature of the people's cult-like habits. That is how he was born "out of the towns people's idolatrous ideologies." But this is why I can't trust Wikipedia. We're trying to interpret someone else's interpretation and the statement they have made is a confusing one. So that whole statement is a weak one. Still, there's nothing anywhere that claims Jimmy Stone to actually be Pyramid Head. What you are leaning on is the fact that Walter's victims turn into monsters, the shape of the guy's hood and the fact that Walter kept refering to a "Red Devil." But Jimmy Stone isn't the only candidate for being a red devil. We have the Red God of Silent Hill to consider, after all. ninja What I'm actually leaning on, is what I have seen stated by Team Silent. Translated Silent Hill PagesFor Pyramid Head, the text reads: "'Pyramid Head' takes the apparent appearance of an executioner of times past, but is actually incarnated from the part of James's conciousness that feels he deserves punishment."It says it right there, "is actually incarnated from the part of James's conciousness," but it does not say that Pyramid Head is the executioner of times past. It says "of an" executioner. Pyramid Head is very possibly based off of Jimmy Stone, but he's not meant to actually be Jimmy Stone. Valtiel's relation to Pyramid HeadHave you considered that it has literally been stated that if Pyramid Head's helmet were removed, he would resemble Valtiel? By only referencing to circumstancial appearance, I could just as easily say that Jimmy Stone turned into Valtiel. That's who he'd be, nixing the helmet, after all. Now that would be claiming that Jimmy Stone was an angel. This guy would be really going up in rank! @_@ "However, if James "did" effect his appearance, why is Pyramid Head in Homecomming? THAT is why I claim Pyramid Head to be Jimmy Stone."That would be some resounding evidence to consider. x3 I've not yet heard that Pyramid Head was in Homecoming! Can you show me a trailer? I wanna seeee! XDDDDD If Pyramid Head shows up in SH5, that'll blow some structured storyline clear out of the water, and then we would have to conclude that Pyramid Head is at least something more than a monster pulled out of James's psyche. But I would recommend a pause before jumping the gun, too much. The problem with Homecoming is that as many people have noticed, it is based VERY much off of the movie. The movie has proven to be unreliable, in accordance to Silent Hill canon and plot. crying If Silent Hill 5 is basing much of its attraction off of the movie, then Silent Hill's plot as we know it is screwed. If Pyramid Head shows up in SH5, they are doing it for publicity and to get the game to sell (they are blatently basing their game style off of the movie. That's James's nurses you see in Homecoming, just like in the movie), because many people show their love for our sadistic ol' Triangle Man. D: heart If that's the case, then we can't really be certain of Pyramid Head's real origins UNTIL we get a shot at playing Silent Hill 5, which will be responsible for a well needed explination. "However, with the monster conversions of people Walter kills, since Walter killed Jimmy Stone before James got there..... Doesn't that give a strong aura of Pyramid Head being Jimmy Stone? I mean, what other monster can give ANY symbolism to Jimmy Stone other than Pyramid Head?"Walter killed two other people too, didn't he? You have to read about them from a paper in a dumpster as James. Those kids were.... Walter's victims? I'm not entirely clear on their relation to Walter's goals, and so I'm not even sure if those two people would have turned into monsters (I can't even remember if they were kids or not. I keep thinking kids). If Jimmy Stone could have appeared as Pyramid because he died before James got there, what about those other two victims? Where were they? The problem here, is that Team Silent did not originally intend for Pyramid Head to be anything beyond James's imagination. When Silent Hill 4 was established, that began this whole other plot theory. This plot theory does work. x3 BUT I don't think it's as closely connected as some believe it to be. Pyramid Head may be referencing to this executioner, Jimmy Stone, but Pyramid Head and Jimmy Stone are not the same invidivual... One other thing I can't help wondering... There is one Jimmy Stone. Why are there two Pyramid Heads? @_@;;;; Can Jim multiply? o______@;; No, not all of Walter's victims became ghosts, and as for your question about the 2 other people Walter killed that u read about in Silent Hill2, it was Billy and Miriam Locane, and they become a double headed monster when their souls fuse together. The plausible and most likely reason those monsters never appeared in SH2 were because look at the worlds involved with Walter Sullivan, were the apartments involved with Walter? no, was rosewater park involved? no. The only pausible meeting point is the Hospital, and the Hospital Henry visits is neither of the 2 hospitals mentioned in Silent Hill 2. yes, pyramid head is in homecomming, go on youtube and watch the trailer. Also, I never read that Silent Hill 5 was based on the movie, as for the trailer, the only similarities i found were ashes falling and a specific type of monster, the little burning children things.... Also, you said Team Silent said that, but as long as Pyramid head appears in silent hil 5, even if its only 1 cutscene of him, it stands proof to bluff the call of James's mind. Meaning, for now, yea James's could of seen Jimmy and his bud's idolizing Valtiel with his robes and such, but didn't Walter know about Jimmy Stone and the Valtiel sect's ideologies first? Meaning, its more or less possible that Walter did in fact generate Pyramid Head first, and knowing that Pyramid Head appears in SH5, its probably safer for every fan to lean down the road of Walter's monster conversions. More proof that Walter could very well have created Pyramid Head, There is also a quote from one of his old school mates saying that Walter said, "The Red Devil was making him do those things". The Red Devil could be a reference to Pyramid Head, which is more or less Jimmy Stone, Walters first victim. It could also mean Xuchilbara, the "Red God" of Silent Hill, whom Claudia mentions. Now before I get the Red God thrown in my face one more time, let's learn some things about the "Red God". First off, no one knows whether it is a he or a she. You would be right in saying the Red God plays a role in rebirth, which is what Walter wanted to do for his "mother" was allow her to rebirth.... but he wasn't into the Crimson Ceremony, was he? No, that's because he was using the 21 Sacraments. And also, one of walters friends claims him saying as he went to prison "Yes, I did all those things. But "He" was telling me to!" Now we all know we refer to Pyramid Head as "He" and "him", right? And we know that Walter didn't say "The Red God told me to!"...... and we can't varify whether the Red God was a he or a she..... so if we claimed Walter was refering to the Red God, wouldn't that make the Red God a guy? But we can't do that, because it's not varified what gender it is. However, we know Pyramid Head is a guy referred to as "he" and "him". And didnt Walter go to Prison, AFTER Jimmy Stone was killed? but that would mean Pyramid Head would of had to exist BEFORE he went to prison....... but this is nuts, because james never went to Silent Hill until AFTER Walter had "committed suicide"..... meaning Pyramid Head more or less "wasnt" created by James's Mind. The only slack im even tempted to give James is maybe he could alter the appearance a little bit, but the figure and monster itself was created from the mind of Walter.
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henrytownshend4235 Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:35 pm
Quote: No, not all of Walter's victims became ghosts, and as for your question about the 2 other people Walter killed that u read about in Silent Hill2, it was Billy and Miriam Locane, and they become a double headed monster when their souls fuse together. Aaaah you mean the legless screaming baby two headed thingy that runs around on its hands? XD OOOH. Okay. So Walter's victims can more or less turn into any sort of monster, from the looks of it. Okay. Can Walter's monsters multiply? I only remember seeing the one ghost of the woman who died in the subway... Quote: The plausible and most likely reason those monsters never appeared in SH2 was because, look at the worlds involved with Walter Sullivan, were the apartments involved with Walter? no, was rosewater park involved? no. The only pausible meeting point is the Hospital, and the Hospital Henry visits is neither of the 2 hospitals mentioned in Silent Hill 2. What you seem to be saying is that none of Walter's monsters could appear in Silent Hill 2 because of the location of the happenings. But then why is it that Jimmy Stone would have appeared as Pyramid Head in those unlikely locations? I'm guessing Jimmy would have been attracted to James's guilt ridden ambitions, in that case..... So that would mean that Jimmy is attracted to guilt of more or less any kind, considering James is a pretty random person. But then, why didn't very many more people see Jimmy Stone/Pyramid Head? There might be a lot of potential guilt in the world. Douglas (in SH3), for example, feels guilty about the death of his son. Why was Jimmy Stone not there to punish him for it? Even Angela probably felt guilty about the things she'd done. Did she ever catch a glimpse of Jimmy Stone/Pyramid Head? Why is it that only James and Walter ever seem to have seen "Pyramid Head?" James is a random guy. By all accounts, it doesn't make much sense. Unless you might argue that James had some kind of connection with Walter. But "how so," would definitely be a scrumptious question to consider. ninja Here we run into a paradox of sorts: If Jimmy Stone/Pyramid Head is attracted to guilt, then many more people should have been seeing him, the way James did. If Jimmy Stone/Pyramid Head is not attracted to guilt like that, then since Walter's monsters were unlikely to be hanging around those SH2 locations, then Jimmy Stone should not have been there either. The only other logical conclusions you can put together is that either Jimmy Stone is a whole different breed of "monster" all together with very unique privlages (the question is, what kind of breed are we talking now, and how did he get to be that way?), or that he and Pyramid Head are two different entities that only resemble each other in appearance and character. Quote: yes, pyramid head is in homecomming, go on youtube and watch the trailer. Also, I never read that Silent Hill 5 was based on the movie, as for the trailer, the only similarities i found were ashes falling and a specific type of monster, the little burning children things.... Speaking of SH5 again... ninja I haven't found the trailer where Pyramid Head makes an appearance, but I'm still looking. In the meantime, I've compiled a very short video that places two other similarities together, between the movie and the fifth Silent Hill game. I actually did not know that the falling ashes and burning children were featured in the SH5 game... with that come to light, I now present you with a total of Four Similarities (thas' right, I am a dork xB). The ashes, the burning children, the nurses, and the Otherworld transition effects. For every game, the nurses have been designed differently. I think Heather's nurses even had black hair. o_O; And that's to say nothing about Henry's nurses! So why are the nurses so........... so strikingly similar to the movie nurses in SH5, while ALSO simultaneously being very similar to James's nurses as well? The answer to that, is fanbase appeal. @_@; No more, no less... That's not to say that Silent Hill 5 is going to be completely unrelatable to the Silent Hill plot. If anything, this whole discussion rests on the shoulders of whatever Silent Hill 5 says to us about Pyramid Head. Until we play this game, we actually *can't* know. This game is our hope of providing some missing links in Pyramid Head's origin story. While I wish the game was not so much like the misleading movie, perhaps they can impress us with some awesome Pyramid Head plot that neither of us has even thought of, before. x3 And thus putting an end to much of the mystery. That is to say, if Pyramid Head does show up in the game. The only problem with Pyramid Head being in the 5th game trailer is that we don't know why PH is there. I still haven't seen the trailer, so for all I know it could be a flashback or a nightmare or something entirely different than what we're presuming. What if someone happens to mention James and a flash of Pyramid Head is presented to exemplify his experience? Alex may not be seeing Pyramid Head at all... but then again, I really need to see the trailer. Can you give me a link? x_x; Quote: Also, you said Team Silent said that, but as long as Pyramid head appears in silent hil 5, even if its only 1 cutscene of him, it stands proof to bluff the call of James's mind. Meaning, for now, yea James's could of seen Jimmy and his bud's idolizing Valtiel with his robes and such, but didn't Walter know about Jimmy Stone and the Valtiel sect's ideologies first? Meaning, its more or less possible that Walter did in fact generate Pyramid Head first, and knowing that Pyramid Head appears in SH5, its probably safer for every fan to lean down the road of Walter's monster conversions. If you consider Jimmy Stone and Pyramid Head to be the same person, then you have no choice but to conclude that Walter essentially created Pyramid Head and that James had nothing to do with it. However, I'm stating that Jimmy Stone and Pyramid Head are two different individuals. Therefore, Walter may have been seeing a murdered man named Jimmy Stone, and James was seeing a monster he called Pyramid Head. It would be the fact, then, that Pyramid Head did not show up until James entered Silent Hill. Are there documents stating Pyramid Head's presence in Silent Hill before James had arrived? There might actually be some, but I'm not entirely sure. Quote: More proof that Walter could very well have created Pyramid Head, There is also a quote from one of his old school mates saying that Walter said, "The Red Devil was making him do those things". The Red Devil could be a reference to Pyramid Head, which is more or less Jimmy Stone, Walters first victim. It could also mean Xuchilbara, the "Red God" of Silent Hill, whom Claudia mentions. Now before I get the Red God thrown in my face one more time, let's learn some things about the "Red God". First off, no one knows whether it is a he or a she. You would be right in saying the Red God plays a role in rebirth, which is what Walter wanted to do for his "mother" was allow her to rebirth.... but he wasn't into the Crimson Ceremony, was he? No, that's because he was using the 21 Sacraments. And also, one of walters friends claims him saying as he went to prison "Yes, I did all those things. But "He" was telling me to!" Now we all know we refer to Pyramid Head as "He" and "him", right? And we know that Walter didn't say "The Red God told me to!"...... and we can't varify whether the Red God was a he or a she..... so if we claimed Walter was refering to the Red God, wouldn't that make the Red God a guy? But we can't do that, because it's not varified what gender it is. However, we know Pyramid Head is a guy referred to as "he" and "him". Except, of course, for the fact that a God can presumibly change its appearance. ninja We don't know the Red God's gender.... we don't know the Red God's form either. We don't even know if the Red God can change its form or not. There is also the possibility that the Red God can appear to other people in the abstract form of a man. But we don't know. ninja In actuality, I think it's more possible that Walter was seeing his first victim. I think it could be something of a coin toss, but I could agree that it's Jimmy Stone who Walter sees, instead of the Red God. Still, the whole "Red Devil" and "Red God" is just as compelling as Pyramid Head's helmet resembling Jimmy Stone's hood. These things look like they match perfectly, but that doesn't necessisarily mean that they do, as you already understand. ninja You know who also plays a roll in rebirth? ninja Valtiel. ninja Here's some food for thought: according to that document I linked to earlier about Valtiel, that angel is said to possibly be able to change its appearance for other people who see it... Quote: And didnt Walter go to Prison, AFTER Jimmy Stone was killed? but that would mean Pyramid Head would of had to exist BEFORE he went to prison....... but this is nuts, because james never went to Silent Hill until AFTER Walter had "committed suicide"..... meaning Pyramid Head more or less "wasnt" created by James's Mind. The only slack im even tempted to give James is maybe he could alter the appearance a little bit, but the figure and monster itself was created from the mind of Walter. The reason this doesn't make sense is because you keep thinking of Jimmy Stone as Pyramid Head. Therefore, in that regard, it's impossible for Pyramid Head to have not been around before James came to Silent Hill. But if you look at the situation and consider Jimmy Stone and Pyramid Head to be two different entities then it makes perfect sense. Walter would be able to see Jimmy Stone and then commit suicide, while James would still be able to create Pyramid Head out of his own imaginings, long after Walter's death. Walter could definitely be seeing Jimmy Stone as the Red Devil. And it's still very conceivable that James created a monster that references to Jimmy Stone but is not Jimmy Stone. Two oddball things to consider: Walter is crazy. He's a delusional sociopathic man with a possible case of schizophrenia. Therefore, the things that Walter sees and tells us may not be entirely reliable. He may have been pulling a Son of Sam on us. The black dog wasn't talking to him, but the murderer thought the dog was. Walter may have thought he saw a Red Devil, but he may have just been halucinating. There may have been no Jimmy Stone at all. That's just a pitch I'm throwing out there, though. Clearly Walter is insane, but I like to think Silent Hill helped him along. xB I still think Walter was seeing Jimmy Stone for real, anyway, because I could imagine Silent Hill doing a thing like that to any person. Other oddball thing: there were still two Pyramid Heads. Consider that Angela created an Abstract Daddy monster out of her own psychological damage. But once she created one, then more starting popping up all over the place, from what I see. If Abstract Daddy monsters started popping up all over the place, it's because Angela kept creating them. Ergo, if more than one Pyramid Head popped up in Silent Hill, that's because James created another one. Pyramid Head is not a celebrity figure such as Jimmy Stone. PH is a monster created by James, the same way Angela created her Abstract Daddy, the same way that Claudia's father became deformed, the same reason why all those bug monsters appeared in Alessa's Otherworld in the first game. These all came from the minds of these bothered (understatement) souls. And the reason why there can be two Pyramid Heads is because they are monsters created by James's psyche... but they are not one man named Jimmy Stone. Pyramid Head is a salute to Jimmy Stone, but I don't think they could be the same being. Still, since Pyramid Head shows up in SH5, this rocks some foundations. I can't be completely sure until I see the outcome of Silent Hill 5. I'm hoping it gives us some evidence to either help or close one hypothesis or another. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:13 am
"Can Walter's monsters multiply?" yes they can, ive fought several double headed monsters at once, and ive been in the subway where 2 of the same ghost appeared in the same room. "But then why is it that Jimmy Stone would have appeared as Pyramid Head in those unlikely locations? I'm guessing Jimmy would have been attracted to James's guilt ridden ambitions, in that case....." Pyramid Head was created from the ideologies, right? Which included the executioners.... the executioners delt punishment/judgement. James's guilt had nothing to do with it..... Pyramid Head was drawn by the need to punish James, which is what the ideologies of being an executioner would of forced him to do..... none of the other monsters walter created would benefit any meaning to pursue James beyond the World's involving Walter, but pyramid head is forced to hunt people who need punishment/judgement.... which is another pausible reason why he doesnt appear infront of Henry because Henry didnt need punishment/judgement. Basically, Walter would have created a monster, but the monster has a limit to what it can pursue. Pyramid Head would have been a monster created from the mind of Walter, but the ideologies limit him to only hunting those who need punishment/judgement. This whole statement here abolishes what you were talking about guilt.... i dont even understand where you got Guilt from.... especially when common knowledge tells us he only answers to punishment and judgement.... And since none of the other characters needed punishment or judgement, that explains why they didnt see him. "Why is it that only James and Walter ever seem to have seen "Pyramid Head?" James needed punishment for what he had done. Walter would have seen him because he created him, that would be an obvious point. That's almost like asking, why would Alessa see the monsters in SH1, because SHE created them. I stopped reading anything beyond that statement.... the rest was encircled around guilt, and guilt has nothing to do with pyramid head so the rest of the statement was faulty *no offense*. Silent Hill 5 might have similarites to the movie visually, but it has its own plot and a lot of new monsters and characters. Comparing story wise, there is no similarity to make it seem unfit to be included in the mass of silent hill facts/info. It doesnt matter what SH5 says to us about pyramid head.... as long as he makes 1 appearance, whether its in the game or in a cutscene..... it blows James out of the picture of creating Pyramid Head. period, end of story. The Red God has no ability of anything you mentioned....... ok? All the Red God symbolizes is Rebirth during the Crimson Ceremony.... thats it... there is no ifs-ands-buts about it..... end of story. The Red God is nothing like Sammael, ok? The Red God has no powers beyond rebirth during the Crimson Ceremony, anything else he is just a figment of sacrificial history. Valtiel isnt a "red devil" though..... he is an angel of the town..... that comes to play that he has no effect in what Walter was shouting about. And even if he changed his appearance, what would Valtiel care about the 21 sacraments? Sure, the 21 sacraments derived from his Sect, but lemme tell you this..... Walter learned the 21 sacraments from Jimmy Stone.... so looking at that, if Jimmy Stone became Pyramid Head, then its possible Walter was referencing to what Jimmy told him BEFORE he died, "I did those things, but "he" told me to do them!" Jimmy Stone taught Walter about the 21 sacraments, meaning "he" told Walter what to do during the ceremony. And if that's true, then in the other reference when he says The Red Devil made him do things, well, wow i thought Jimmy told him to do those things, but wouldnt that mean Jimmy possibly became Pyramid head? Walter isn't crazy..... he may sound like it, but he speaks on behalf of the cults and in riddles..... and how are you going to say Jimmy Stone didn't exist at all????? He was Walters first victim! Of course he existed! and Jimmy had to become a monster, which means he had to become a monster before walter commited suicide which was before James arrived in Silent HIll. Jimmy and Pyramid Head can't be two different entities because Walter couldn't simply look and say "yep, hes dead", because he wasnt just a corpse, Jimmy became a monster. Pyramid Head's appear based on what needs punishment..... that doesnt mean James created them.... it could easily be said because Walter made Pyramid Head out of his ideologies that Pyramid Head had to deal with every punishment, thus he would multiply.... and ive already stated earlier in this post that Walter's monsters could multiply. So why couldnt pyramid head be 1 man named Jimmy Stone just multiplied a bit? I mean, Billy and Miriam Locane appear in abundances as big as 3 or 4 of them at a time! Watch this trailer, because you're right, he might not literally be there, but I swear in my mind he is, and IF he is, then that means the hypothesis of James creating him is at an end, and the reign of Walter's creation has begun. Decide for yourself..... I've already decided that he is truly there...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbLEbdMkbIg
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henrytownshend4235 Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:15 pm
Quote: "Can Walter's monsters multiply?" yes they can, ive fought several double headed monsters at once, and ive been in the subway where 2 of the same ghost appeared in the same room. I'm still not entirely sure of that, since that ghost woman did not multiply, but I'll believe that they can. But in my personal opinion, that makes the monsters a bit different from what I was thinking before. Walter's victims transform into monsters. Do you mean to say that his victims literally become monsters? As in, the corpse mutates into a monster? Or are these monsters being created from Walter's mind, as is the usual norm for Silent Hill? If these monsters come from Walter's mind, I wonder if they are his *actual* victims, or references to his victims. Like how the Abstract Daddy is not Angela's real father, but a reference to her father. That would make them psychological monsters, but not the original victims. That's just something I'm wondering about. Trying to figure out what Walter's monsters are, at this point. Are they his real victims or references to his victims? sweatdrop If they can multiply, I might say they are monsters referencing to his victims. If they can't multiply, I'd say they are his literal victims. "Pyramid Head was created from the ideologies, right?"I'd have to say "wrong" to that, actually. While that Wikipedia entry mentions that statement, I think it's a weak one that the writer of that entry came up with... That's another person's opinion, so I can't really say it's a strong point for either of our ideas. I mentioned not really taking to that statement on full before, too. x_X; Quote: Which included the executioners.... the executioners delt punishment/judgement. James's guilt had nothing to do with it..... Pyramid Head was drawn by the need to punish James, which is what the ideologies of being an executioner would of forced him to do..... none of the other monsters walter created would benefit any meaning to pursue James beyond the World's involving Walter, but pyramid head is forced to hunt people who need punishment/judgement.... which is another pausible reason why he doesnt appear infront of Henry because Henry didnt need punishment/judgement. Basically, Walter would have created a monster, but the monster has a limit to what it can pursue. Pyramid Head would have been a monster created from the mind of Walter, but the ideologies limit him to only hunting those who need punishment/judgement. This whole statement here abolishes what you were talking about guilt.... i dont even understand where you got Guilt from.... especially when common knowledge tells us he only answers to punishment and judgement.... And since none of the other characters needed punishment or judgement, that explains why they didnt see him. I was actually trying to give up some slack by suggesting guilt instead of execution. Because if it's just to punish people, then there are even more people around Silent Hill who deserve punishment. Claudia, Vincent, Eddie, Angela, Dahlia... a large portion of anyone who sets foot in Silent Hill is pulled in because they deserve punishment of some kind, unless they happen to be innocent bystanders that got too close on accident (Harry adopting Alessa, little did he know what he was getting himself into, Douglas driving Alessa there, etc...), or in SH4's case, people being pulled in by Walter. Lord, how many of those people in SH4 deserved punishment, anyway? There are waaaay more people who deserve punishment than there are ones who just feel guilty. Eddie and Angela were responsible for murder, Claudia was responsible for multiple murders, Dahlia attempted to destroy her own daughter, the alleged initiator of the entire Silent Hill Otherworld scenario... These people deserved punishment (because if Pyramid Head finds it important enough to punish some random guy who killed his wife, I'd say Dahlia definitely deserved a taste of the Great Knife and Spear). Yet not one of these people saw Pyramid Head. Is there an instance anywhere where it was stated that they did? I pull "guilt" from the fact that it was James's guilt over his wife that caused his self to imagine a Pyramid Head. Why else would James want to punish himself? It's psychology, and something that has been stated about the SH2 plot for a long time. Quote: I stopped reading anything beyond that statement.... the rest was encircled around guilt, and guilt has nothing to do with pyramid head so the rest of the statement was faulty *no offense*. It's bad form, I have to say, but what you need to state is that this is your opinion of what Pyramid Head is. It's you're opinion that guilt has nothing to do with Pyramid Head. Meanwhile, the document I have presented clearly stated that Guilt had a lot to do with Pyramid Head. "...incarnated from the part of James's conciousness that feels he deserves punishment."Why does any person ever feel that they deserve punishment? Because they have guilt, ya? I'll throw a boomerang for myself around this point: It may also be my opinion that guilt had a lot to do with Pyramid Head. This is what is important: Silent Hill's plot has tons of open holes (intentional) for interpretation. That's what we're doing here: interpreting things. I interpret Pyramid Head as a psychological sign of guilt, while you interpret Pyramid Head as a ressurected executioner. These are our, along with many others, opinions. These are not the cold hard facts. When you say that Pyramid Head is Jimmy Stone, you are not saying Pyramid Head could be Jimmy Stone. The other people who read these posts want to decide that for themselves. It's not a decision you can make for them. sweatdrop Quote: The Red God has no ability of anything you mentioned....... ok? All the Red God symbolizes is Rebirth during the Crimson Ceremony.... thats it... there is no ifs-ands-buts about it..... end of story. The Red God is nothing like Sammael, ok? The Red God has no powers beyond rebirth during the Crimson Ceremony, anything else he is just a figment of sacrificial history. How do you know? ninja Show me why? ninja Quote: Jimmy Stone taught Walter about the 21 sacraments, meaning "he" told Walter what to do during the ceremony. And if that's true, then in the other reference when he says The Red Devil made him do things, well, wow i thought Jimmy told him to do those things, but wouldnt that mean Jimmy possibly became Pyramid head? What that seems to say to me is that Walter was seeing Jimmy Stone. And I agree. But that still does not say how Jimmy Stone is supposed to be Pyramid Head... it's like going from point A to point M.... there are facts and other possibilities completely being skipped and overlooked just to draw one conclusion... What you're saying is that Walter was not seeing The Red God. I agree. x3 So therefore... "Valtiel isnt a "red devil" though..... he is an angel of the town..... "Yeeesssir. Valtiel is not a red devil, and I never said he was. ninja Valtiel might have nothing to do with the sacriments or Walter at all (which is ironic, considering the Sect is based in his name rofl ). Valtiel's job is to accompany and usher God (Valet, etc...). The "el" part of his name makes him an angel because he's so close to God. I never said Pyramid Head was Valtiel. ninja I said Pyramid Head would resemble Valtiel. This means that Pyramid Head could be..... *wait for it...* Another Angel! biggrin Hence Pyramid Head, if he is something beyond James's psyche, might be another "angel" or lower "god" of Silent Hill. If he is an executioner then he, like Valtiel, is a monster going around doing his job as aside the hand of God. That could provide a possibility of Jimmy Stone being Pyramid Head. But there is still no definite evidance to suggest that, aside from hypothetical interpretations. Silent Hill 5 has indeed blurred the origins of Pyramid Head. Silent Hill 5, therefore, poses a potential danger to your hypothesis just as much as it might be able to solidify it. If, in Silent Hill 5, the statement is made that Pyramid Head is an ancient monster that existed before even Jimmy Stone was alive, that blows your entire hypothesis out of the water as well. We can't really be sure what Silent Hill 5 will declair about Pyramid Head. That's all up in the air, at this point. Then there's the movie again... The plot doesn't have to be similar. The characters don't have to be similar. But since we're seeing similarities such as the nurses (which are always different from one Silent Hill game to the next) and even the ashes used (there was never a real explination as to why there were white snowflake like substances falling in Silent Hill), the burning babies, the otherworld effects.... it's obvious that Silent Hill 5 is taking ideas directly from the movie. Which means they pulled Pyramid Head in too, because they wanted their game to sell (just like they figure the sexiest nurses in the series would help their game sell better, also. That's a little more than obvious in all of the images we see of the nurses. gonk ). Pyramid Head's presence in Silent Hill 5 is what you might say a "booty call" to its respective gamer fandom. ;__; HOWEVER. Silent Hill 5 is still just as important to consider to the plot as any one of the other games. The above is what I see as the initial reasoning behind Pyramid Head's presence (which means they're not taking Silent Hill's real storyline into consideration, so they can sell the game better). BUT if Silent Hill 5 can pull off a dynamite explination to Pyramid Head's appearance in its game, I'd be very ready and excited to hear it. x3 This does not mean that Silent Hill 5 is going to establish that Pyramid Head is Jimmy Stone. It might not even answer that question so that people can still hope that's the canon incentive. BUT, the other possibility to Pyramid Head's existance aside from his being a psychological monster or Jimmy Stone is that Pyramid Head is another angel of Silent Hill. Another servant of God, just like Valtiel is. This means there is a third possibility behind Pyramid Head's origin. And possibility could state that Pyramid Head is not a human and never was. He might just be a being of Silent Hill's supernatural higher powers that be: another usher to their gods and goddesses. Hence Pyramid Head can go where he wants, choose who he punishes, upholds an appearance as he sees fit, etc... Ergo he would not be restricted to Walter's locations and he would not be compelled to punish every average Joe who happened to be nearby... So Pyramid Head may or may not be a result of James's psyche (although it is my belief that this was the original intention that has been changed because of Pyramid Head's popularity).
Pyramid Head may or may not be Jimmy Stone; a ressurection of Walter's own design.
Pyramid Head may or may not be another angel of Silent Hill, doing the biddings of Silent Hill's gods and goddesses. You might say that Jimmy Stone is Pyramid Head. If Pyramid Head is an angel, that would make Jimmy Stone an angel. But Walter calls him a Red Devil. Should we believe Walter? Or could we assume that Walter mistook an angel for a devil? I'm giving you slack again, with that. What if Walter was seeing an angel, but he interpreted the figure as a devil? Unless you want to state that Walter only saw a Red Devil.... if Pyramid Head (who resembles Valtiel and could therefore potentially be another angel of Silent Hill's regime) was an angel... that would mean that Walter was not seeing Pyramid Head (angel). He was seeing a Jimmy Stone(devil). ninja Walter is crazy. I'll bet you anything the creators of the game would love that assumption to be made of him. One might say that Walter is a hail to every serial killer and criminal psychopath out there. And there were some pretty crazy bastards out there... ninja I'm sure a lot of people would hope that Walter was crazy. After all, "crazy" can come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. ninja And its the most fun way to interpret an evil villan. Quote: Watch this trailer, because you're right, he might not literally be there, but I swear in my mind he is, and IF he is, then that means the hypothesis of James creating him is at an end, and the reign of Walter's creation has begun. (I saw Pyramid Head in the trailer. He's definitely there. Alas, he still replicates the movie, as no bugs were ever following Pyramid Head in the SH2 game and his helmet is designed differently. Alex's interpretation of Pyramid Head? SH5 makes the possibilities endless... But I digress...) Quote: Decide for yourself..... I've already decided that he is truly there...... Then let's let our fellow guild members decide for themselves, too. 3nodding Hence, I have provided alternative perceptions and possible explinations for the origin of Pyramid Head. We need much moar. There's a ton of it out there. ninja There's so much more to say about Pyramid Head. We've only graced the tip of an iceburg. Not you nor I can determine what Pyramid Head is. We can only provide and gather information, and then let other people decide, without telling them what Pyramid Head is or isn't. You must make a clear distinction between what are your hypothetical opinions and what are the facts you can really find out there. ^ ^;
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