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WHY MUST I TORTURE MY FISH LIKE THIS?

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InsaneShadowFan

PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:18 pm


So far this year I have killed five fish.

1: Blue, due to my own negligence.

2: Alpha, due to old age (I assume, he was as healthy as ever)

3: Moony, females attacked her.

4: Casanova, dropsy...caused by ME. D:

5: Uh...that red one, I can't remember its name, females attacked her (Chartruese and Patriot are VICIOUS, the two new females I added to the tank even after taking them out for a few hours have ripped their fins to shreds)

6: The poor, unnamed rescue betta that I KILLED because of sheer carelessness even though I knew its health was poor.

Wait a minute, that's six! gonk gonk gonk gonk SIX FISH? That's an average of one fish every month so far this year!

I feel horrible for my fish. What's the point of buying them and killing their only small chance of a decent owner only to murder them? Words can't even come close to describing how wretched I feel. I am a wretched, wretched person. D: Maybe I should give my bettas away to my fishloving uncle.


ISF
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:02 pm


Did they all die in the same tank? Perhaps a complete tank wash may help.... D:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:17 pm


Well, one thing that would help...

Stop keeping females together! It takes special conditions for a sorority, and you've already seen what happens when those conditions are not met. If you want females, house them like your males; alone.

So, 2 were caused by that, and it's fixable.

1, old age. No problem.

1, dropsy, whatever, it happens.

1, had poor health already. My own only lasted a week because of initial poor health. Carelessness? How so?

1, negligence. Again, what do you mean by that?

I saw, for now... take care of your remaing betta, don't get anymore. Right now I only have 1, and I'm not getting any more. Why? Because I know I don't have the resources to take care of them. And even if you do want to rescue, if you take it and can't take care of it, that's not a rescue at all. If you see one that needs rescuing, then maybe you can ask said uncle to do so?

I'm assuming you can take care of betta, if the one dying of old age says anything. And from the info you provided, you at least have some females left. Separate them, take care of them, go on from there. Oh, and if you're reusing a tank a fish died in, sterilize it.

And here's a site that really helped me with my betta: ultimatebettas.com It even has a section about keeping females together that will probably help you A LOT.

Oh, and another thread said you keep your tank at 75*. I think it should be higher, I mean, it's okay, but on the low end of acceptable. I've hear they prefer to be around 78-80. And it'll also keep their immune ystem more healthy, if they're catchign diseases or such. Just like how humans get sick more in the winter.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:54 am


Kokuryuu: No no, only the females, which share a tank, have died in the same tank. All of the other bettas that died which were once in a tank that housed a betta previously were properly sterilized with bleach and left to dry out for a day carefully to insure no cross contamination or bleach poisoning.

prInc355: I've been doing some serious thinking about the sorority. I have all of the conditions required for a female sorority (ten gallon, planted, filtered, four bettas for the hierarchy) but I'm thinking that the reason they keep taking chunks out of one another is that there are not many hiding places for them. Plenty of plants, fake and real, but nothing in regards to, say, a terra cotta pot and such. I've been observing them and there isn't any more damage to the fish from fighting, and the initial fighting may have just been to reset the hierarchy, but I'm not taking any chances. I'm going to go buy a few small pots and plug up the holes for the submissive bettas to hide in away from the alphas. The fish are fine for something but whenever a betta gets near Chartreuse (the opaque one) she chomps on them, she's the alpha female. They need more hiding places from her terrorizing, methinks.

On another note, I went into Petsmart and saw that they had put three females in a glass cup thing that probably wasn't even one gallon. They looked miserable and had practically no fins left.

I also think that I have figured out what may have caused the new betta's death. When I scooped out the little guy from his bowl, very small drops of blood formed on the net. I'm guessing some sort of internal parasite that my Fungus Clear didn't put a dent in. I'm going to go get Maracyn I and II to treat any other rescues that come in just as an extra precaution. Also, I had knocked out the bubbler I had in its bowl (I remember reading in the ultimatebettas forums about a sick betta needing a bubbler to keep the water oxygen rich so it wouldn't have to make the trip up to the surface and can use its gills) when I changed its water, breaking the airstone, so I didn't put it back in, and the air conditioning upstairs was broken, so the temperature was around 90 (yeah. I'm not kidding crying ). A few days before that I was camping and called my stepfather to feed my fish, and he saw that the bubbler's airflow was restricted and the fish was on its side; after adjusting it the fish began to swim again.

Since the temperature was so high, making the water heat up as well (warm water cannot hold much oxygen), and the weakness of the fish from the mysterious sickness, and the fact that I did not put a bubbler in and there were no live plants to give some oxygen to it, he probably suffocated.

What...a horrible way to die.



So in all honesty, I think the only fish that I personally killed, not out of accident or the female tank issue, was Blue, the one that I didn't take care of last year. Kind of depressing, thinking about it. But at least I know I don't have the touch of death. Just a string of bad luck.

Wow, what a long post.


ISF

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:25 am


Oh, also, I may have to get more females in order to help balance out the violence issue with Chartruese, or maybe just remove her altogether. With more females she won't constantly be attacking just one other betta and can have her pick of the litter.



ISF
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:49 pm


InsaneShadowFan
Kokuryuu: No no, only the females, which share a tank, have died in the same tank. All of the other bettas that died which were once in a tank that housed a betta previously were properly sterilized with bleach and left to dry out for a day carefully to insure no cross contamination or bleach poisoning.

prInc355: I've been doing some serious thinking about the sorority. I have all of the conditions required for a female sorority (ten gallon, planted, filtered, four bettas for the hierarchy) but I'm thinking that the reason they keep taking chunks out of one another is that there are not many hiding places for them. Plenty of plants, fake and real, but nothing in regards to, say, a terra cotta pot and such. I've been observing them and there isn't any more damage to the fish from fighting, and the initial fighting may have just been to reset the hierarchy, but I'm not taking any chances. I'm going to go buy a few small pots and plug up the holes for the submissive bettas to hide in away from the alphas. The fish are fine for something but whenever a betta gets near Chartreuse (the opaque one) she chomps on them, she's the alpha female. They need more hiding places from her terrorizing, methinks.

On another note, I went into Petsmart and saw that they had put three females in a glass cup thing that probably wasn't even one gallon. They looked miserable and had practically no fins left.

I also think that I have figured out what may have caused the new betta's death. When I scooped out the little guy from his bowl, very small drops of blood formed on the net. I'm guessing some sort of internal parasite that my Fungus Clear didn't put a dent in. I'm going to go get Maracyn I and II to treat any other rescues that come in just as an extra precaution. Also, I had knocked out the bubbler I had in its bowl (I remember reading in the ultimatebettas forums about a sick betta needing a bubbler to keep the water oxygen rich so it wouldn't have to make the trip up to the surface and can use its gills) when I changed its water, breaking the airstone, so I didn't put it back in, and the air conditioning upstairs was broken, so the temperature was around 90 (yeah. I'm not kidding crying ). A few days before that I was camping and called my stepfather to feed my fish, and he saw that the bubbler's airflow was restricted and the fish was on its side; after adjusting it the fish began to swim again.

Since the temperature was so high, making the water heat up as well (warm water cannot hold much oxygen), and the weakness of the fish from the mysterious sickness, and the fact that I did not put a bubbler in and there were no live plants to give some oxygen to it, he probably suffocated.

What...a horrible way to die.



So in all honesty, I think the only fish that I personally killed, not out of accident or the female tank issue, was Blue, the one that I didn't take care of last year. Kind of depressing, thinking about it. But at least I know I don't have the touch of death. Just a string of bad luck.

Wow, what a long post.


ISF

I'm assuming that Fungus Clear only works on fungus and would not treat parasites, Maracyn won't either, as it is an antibacterial, before you buy or use any medication you need to make sure that its going to cure the disease your fish has.

Bettas don't really need a bubbler, their gills can't absorb enough oxygen from the water so they always will need to get air from the surface.

For Chartruese, If she is very violent you should probably put her in her own cup. This will upset the heirarchy but would probably be best in the long run. You should probably stop housing the females together and wait for the current ones to die off until only one is left, afterward perhaps put other types of fish in or get a smaller tank for one.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:14 pm


InsaneShadowFan
Oh, also, I may have to get more females in order to help balance out the violence issue with Chartruese, or maybe just remove her altogether. With more females she won't constantly be attacking just one other betta and can have her pick of the litter.



ISF


Yeah, I was jsut about to suggest removing her. Some fish are jsut... too agressive. I'm sure she would appreciate a thank to herself, and another girl will rise to the position of alpha. The hiding places also sound like a good idea also.

I don't think the bubbler was too much of the problem, but parasites definitely would me. ._. Also, any way next time something happens to the temp, you could move him downstairs? My temp got up to 86 one day and I was worried, but luckily my room's temp is usually between 78 and 82 (the AC doesn't work in my room ever). I think I've heard of bettas being okay with high temps but... combined with sickness... maybe didn't help.

Well, I don't think you'll negect anymore fish. At least you changed your ways. And bad luck I think is definitely a thing to consider with fish... because I've seen people totally negect their fish, and yet they'll live for ever, or people pamper the fish, and it'll die in a week. It happens, yeah?

Good luck on your future/curect betta! Get some good luck charms? XD I love good luck charms (*mildly superstitious* ...I wear my lucky stone on a key chain on my pants. >>; Even though it was from a tarot card reader that was crap.)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:24 am


Annie-sama


Bettas don't really need a bubbler, their gills can't absorb enough oxygen from the water so they always will need to get air from the surface.


ultimatebettas.com
# An aerator (bubbler) that can be adjusted. While high currents stress bettas, I firmly stand by the belief that aeration is vital to treatment. Most medications leech oxygen from the water, which puts an undue burden on the gills of already distressed fish. What's more, gram-negative bacterial infections - which are very sensitive to oxygen - are the #1 type of illness in bettas since they come from warm, stagnant environments. Finally, a bubbler is a must if you are dealing with gill flukes, gill infections, or ammonia-burned gills.


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(squirrellsgnwild @ Jan 11 2007, 11:31 AM) *
Bettas dont need a aerator. they breathe just like whales!



No. They do not "breathe just like whales", not even close. Whales are mammals, not fish and are totally different. I don't ever remember seeing a betta with a blow hole either. Whales also do not live in fish tanks and don't have problem with medicines leaching the oxygen from their water. And although bettas do get much of their oxygen from the air, they also require oxygen in the water. Please don't make comments like this without doing proper research. It gives new members grave misinformation that could cause the death of their fish.



PrIncess: From what I know, some sicknesses require that the temperature be raised, for example ick, to kill everything off.


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