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Does it Matter Where you Buy Your Gas?

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Does it matter where you buy your gas?
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Obiageli
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:34 am


WHERE TO BUY AMERICAN GASOLINE. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON.

Gas rationing in the 70's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even have been good for us!

Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting American products? In addition, they are gouging us on oil prices.

Shouldn't we return the favor? Can't we take control of our own destiny and let these giant oil importers know who REALLY generates their profits, their livings? How about leaving American Dollars in America and reduce the import/export deficit?

An appealing remedy might be to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up your car you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia . Just purchase gas from companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill up my tank, I'm sending my money to people who I get the impression want me, my family and my friends dead.

The following gas companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell.................................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.................... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil........................ 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway............. 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco.................................. 62,231,000 barrels

And CITGO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez's regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)

The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do the math at $100 per barrel, that's over $550 million PER DAY ($200 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!! It won't stop here - oil prices could go to $200 a barrel or higher if we keep buying their product.

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco......................... 0 barrels
Conoco........................ 0 barrels
Sinclair....................... 0 barrels
BP / Phillips................ 0 barrels
Hess. ............................. 0 barrels
ARC0............................. 0 barrels
Maverick......................... 0 barrels
Flying J. .......................... 0 barrels
Valero............................ 0 barrels
Murphy Oil USA* ............. 0 Sold at Wal-Mart , gas is from South Arkansas and fully USA owned and produced.

*Not only that but they give scholarships to all children in their town who finish high school and are legal US citizens..

All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.

If you continue to buy foreign products, where will your children work?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:26 am


I hate to be so negative in all of this, but I can't help but wonder why the gas stations that do NOT import oil from the Middle East generally charge from 2-5 cents MORE PER GALLON than those stations who are importing their oil? It seems to me that they are obviously GOUGING the Americans, since they are not having to pay as much per gallon of gas that they offer us, but yet are making MORE per gallon that we purchase. How is that helpful to us?

EDITED TO ADD: I must point out that the information I have is merely for the parts of Ohio where I have been in person, and I cannot attest to the way these companies perform in other parts of Ohio, let alone the rest of the country.

I m p y
Vice Captain

Timid Phantom


Drifting Druid

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:25 pm


Sure, the middle east is boycotting us. That doesn't mean we can boycott them back. That is called being a hippocrit.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:52 am


Drifting Druid
Sure, the middle east is boycotting us. That doesn't mean we can boycott them back. That is called being a hippocrit.


How would that be a hypocrite? A hypocrite is someone who claims high moral standards, virtues and/or religious beliefs but whose actions show this to be untrue. Doing to someone else the same thing that they are doing to you falls more into the category of "turnabout is fair play."

As for the original message in this thread:

Although latter-day versions of this email cite a Saudi boycott of U.S. goods instead of terrorism as the main justification for boycotting oil companies importing Saudi/Middle Eastern oil, the main arguments against its accuracy, propriety and effectiveness still hold.

It's perfectly understandable that people are willing to jump at any apparent opportunity to take action against such a diffuse and intangible menace as terrorism, but this is not a promising avenue. Here's why:

1. It's a chain letter

Chain letters are unreliable as sources of information (see below) and ineffective as instruments of change. Despite their often vast circulation, chain emails are simply ignored and/or deleted by most users and mistrusted even by many of those who actually bother to read them.

Sure, there are plenty of credulous folks quick to click their Forward buttons every time an email touting a worthy-sounding cause lands in their inbox, but that doesn't mean they'll follow through with action — and action is of the essence, if we're to take these messages at their word.

Previous experience (e.g., with the infamous "Gas Out" chain letters of 1999, 2000 and 2001) has shown that even when chain letters circulate globally and win international media attention, their real-world effectiveness is negligible.

2. It's off-target

The boycott is based on the false assumption that all oil-producing countries in the Middle East fund or otherwise support terrorism. It would punish enemies and allies alike.

3. The facts and figures are simply wrong

According to DOE statistics (and taking mergers/acquisitions into account), only three of the companies lauded in these messages for allegedly not importing Middle Eastern oil actually belong on that list: Sinclair, Sunoco and Hess. All the other companies mentioned do, in fact, use varying amounts of petroleum imported from the Gulf region.

Therefore, to completely avoid buying gasoline made from Arab oil, a diligent consumer must refuel only at Sinclair, Sunoco and Hess service stations. Now, I don't know how readily available these brands are in your part of the country, but where I live I'd have to use up several tanks of "terrorism supporting" fuel just to find one of those stations. And that seems a wee bit counterproductive.

The bottom line is that this chain letter is so misinformed and misguided that it defeats its own purpose. To succeed, a boycott must be well thought out, organized and based on sound information. This effort fails on every count.

I m p y
Vice Captain

Timid Phantom


Drifting Druid

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:43 pm


The thing is is that we do claim high moral standards. They are boycotting us because they think our rights to be in their contry is wrong. We are boycotting them because they are boycotting us. That is like the an eye for an eye statement.

(That is why they are boycotting us because we are hippocrites. Boycotting them back is just another way of saying we are hippocrites.)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:39 am


I still don't see where the hypocrite part comes in. We claim to have moral standards. Fine. But, boycotting someone (for any reason) is not something that contradicts high moral standards. Therefore, there is no hypocrisy involved.

Now, if we were telling them that no one has a right to have a powerful military presence in another country, THEN we would be hypocrites, because we have powerful military presences in many other countries. However, the way things stand, there is no evidence of us being hypocrites. At least not based on the information you have posted in this thread.

I m p y
Vice Captain

Timid Phantom


Drifting Druid

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:01 pm


Yeah, but by boycotting them we are saying they don't have a right to boycott us.

We are saying "Boycotting is wrong, but it is ok for us to do it to you because you are doing it to us"

(it also matters what you consider "high moral standards" in this case)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:26 am


I don't agree. A boycott indicates that one disapproves of someone's actions, intentions or ideas. Though, in a way, I suppose it does seem a bit petty, and being petty is hardly an act that seems to support the idea of high moral standards... wink

And, looking at it from different angles, I CAN see where it would seem hypocritical, so thank you for helping me to see that.

I m p y
Vice Captain

Timid Phantom


I m p y
Vice Captain

Timid Phantom

PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:04 pm


Want to move this topic above the closed topics, since it still has time for people to debate the issue,if they so choose.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:36 pm


No problem Impy, I have the annoying ability to look at things differently than others. It is a curse really..., as people are usually too close-minded to accept my viewpoint....

Drifting Druid


Privite GI Jane

PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:51 am


i dont buy gas because i dont drive but i would buy gas near here othere then the city
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