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Tsume Rokaro Vice Captain
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 Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:34 pm
You know how some places just have that eerie feeling. Like someone is watching you or you're not wanted there.
I have an instance of that in my house. The largest upstairs room. My sisters confirm the way I feel up there, but my mother and other family members do not. It's like we are not wanted there. It's oppressive like hands are waiting to grab you or slam the door shut on you. (a wonderful description by my the younger of my sisters.)
My questions are this:
~What are possible causes for this to occur? (I've already been told about the bad event that leaves an impression there...but I've pretty much ruled that out.)
~How do you get rid of it?
~If you can't get rid of it, how do you at least combat it?
Another thing is that these feelings can be associated with an object. It's like that object and the air immediantly around it is different. Such as the feeling of malicious intent off some figurine.
I have an instance of this in my house too: A cat statuette. This white figure can stare holes through you. I even have it turned to the wall and it's like it's still watching us. When my sister touched it, she later described that it was like some kind of energy was creeping up her arms. I feel the same. It's a rather nasty feeling. The thing also turns after a bit. (well a long 'bit') You just look up and 'boom'. It's facing a different direction. Here's the thing about this cat statuette....it's sent from my great aunt. She thought my grandmother might like it and when she didn't want it, it fell into my hands. It was factory direct to my great aunt and then (after unpacking) straight to my grandmother and then straight out of the box to me.
(Before I get the--'why didn't you just toss it if it felt bad thing?' I couldn't sense it at the time.)
My questions are this:
~What can cause this?
~How could you rid the object of the presence that you can feel?
~If you cannot get rid of it, how do you combat it so you can keep the object?
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:57 pm
~What are possible causes for this to occur? (I've already been told about the bad event that leaves an impression there...but I've pretty much ruled that out.)
Along with the bad events (keep in mind, it doesn't have to happen in the house, but can be linked to it) and being from a spirit, it can also be because of high electronegativity and other technical problems.
~How do you get rid of it?
If it's technical, you can get it fixed with the obvious work. If it's spiritual, then there are a number of ways. Smudging, exorcism, and the like.
~If you can't get rid of it, how do you at least combat it?
If it's from a spirit, then it can be combatted by simply showing your strong will. This can also make whatever it is angry and put you in danger, though. Keep the room purified, too, or try to. Or try to appease the spirit. There was one case where a child was angry because everyone kept entering her space and didn't pay attention to her. She had been killed and possibly raped some years ago close to the area. When I and my friend gave her some toys, she was much more benevolent.
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Niccolo Salomanos Captain
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:05 pm
If the cat statuette was hand-made, then one answer could be that the artisan wasn't in a pleasant mood as he crafted it. Emotions can sometimes be embedded in an object or building quite strongly.
As to getting rid of it, I'm not sure. I would guess you could try cleaning it... psionically, I mean.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:06 pm
A way you can purify it is with one or more of the five elemenets--air, fire, water, earth, and spirit.
To purify with air is to smudge it with inscense--if you would like, I can find particular incense that purify.
To purify with water, simply submerge it in water or, with a bit of earth, salt water and leave it there until you feel the negativity gone. (Obviously you shouldn't do this if the material it's made of isn't water-compatible.)
To purify with fire you can litterally put in fire (not normally reccomended) or, to mix in a bit of spirit, imagining fire burning the negativity off. (Spirit is similar, simply imagining all the negativity falling off to pure white light--trouble is, you have to be in a deep meditave state while doing so.)
Earth is simple. Simply burry it in the earth for as long as your intuition tells you to. Make sure to dig it up, though! Or mark the place you put it, as things often get lost in he earth as well.
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Tsume Rokaro Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:27 pm
Although, there is one thing: Quote: Along with the bad events (keep in mind, it doesn't have to happen in the house, but can be linked to it) and being from a spirit, it can also be because of high electronegativity and other technical problems. I'm fairly certain it didn't happen in this house. That is unless, of course, it happened during the construction of it. My grandparents bought it new. So then, what would cause the link from a place to there? It's the second story, could there be any particular reason for that? These are just questions that I'm curious about, now is all. ;P
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:54 pm
All I can suggest you try is perhaps replace it's presence with your own; free-form psionic shifting... Actually, you could probably do much the same thing here as you do when you do your cloud erasing. Visualise the presence as a cloud and go from there.
As to the link; it really all depends on what you're dealing with. If it's an actual sentient presence that sits in the particular room and glares menacingly at you every time you walk in, then... well, you just have to convince it to leave using either Clair's incense technique (since submerging a room in water really isn't a viable option - neither is setting it on fire) or making the room unbearable to the spirit. You might want to get your sisters to help; flood the room with psionic energy (Start at the door, or else you'll drive the spirit into the rest of the house which is kinda a step backwards) and simply phase-shift the energy in the room between different states.
If that doesn't work, use the psionic energy (This will take a LOT) to encase and and entrap it in a small ball of energy, then simply toss it out the window. After that, you may want to psi-seal your house to prevent it from simply coming back in.
If the bad presence is an emotional one that isn't sentient (ie; residual memories/emotions) Then you simply have to rewrite them, preferably with good emotions. Some particular areas are rather psionically sensitive, like the hard-drive on a computer; you do something, and it writes a... almost like a plaster-cast of it there. So you have to change that by re-writing it. The memory you create there will have to be stronger than the previous one.
But what's causing it... I really don't know. I can't personally offer any advice; my experience tells me little in this regard. Maybe there's something in the room that attracts the spirit to guard it rather malevolently?
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Niccolo Salomanos Captain
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:38 pm
It can be linked in many ways, just as we can be linked to things. Someone close to them--in good or bad spirits--could have lived or, alternately, died there or near there. It doesn't matter if it was in the actual house itself, it could have been on whatever was there before your house.
If you've purified it before and it failed, or alternately seemed to work for a while and then whatever it is came back, try using more or all of the elements.
If it's residual memory, then no, sorry Nick, but generally you don't try to "rewrite" it. That's the same as trying to rewrite the past and, as a rule of thumb, is a rather... well, stupid thing to do. Though you can try, if it feels right to do.
I will look up the incenses tonight and give them to you tomorrow. I know one, though. Real potent.
Needed:
Pine (for an extra boost, which it sounds like you need)
Lavender
Anise Seed
Bay Leaves
Mix them and put them in a piece of paper. Twist the edges together and burn it on a metal dish. Smudge the room using the smoke. There isn't a specific amount of any of the herbs you need--follow your intuition. It will know what's best.
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:55 am
Okay, rewrite is the wrong word to use there.
I meant rewrite the feeling, not the event. Overwrite would have been better to use there. Overwrite a good emotion of your own into the object, so that the object/place comes to mean something to you, something special and good.
THAT'S what I meant.
The world is like one giant hard-disk. Everything gets written into the world around you, stored in the world's memory. Everything around us is a part of the world, even the stuff that has been reshaped by human hands.
Events, big or small (Following chaos theory every event is of equal importance, I guess) are written into the world's memory. Into the rocks, into the wind, into the oceans. The winds normally lose these images pretty quickly; a continually shifting, bodiless and shapeless thing cannot act as a storage device; it'd be like trying to make a bowl out of dust.
These selfsame winds normally help to scour the rocks clean of their memories too, or else the world would smell perpetually of violence. But some events are powerful enough that they get etched in very, very deeply; even the winds can carry these scars.
By producing an event of equal power (or greater) one can remove these memories and replace them - or overwrite, perhaps not remove-and-replace - with others. That's the long explanation.
I s'pose an anecdote would be useful here. It's one of the more extreme examples, but hey.
Um. I wouldn't advise this solution.
There had been a war on a few years past, outside the city where this house stood. Most of the people had evacuated the city, but a select few - through stubbornness or sheer inability - had not. One such lady sat in the small, walled garden of her house, listening to the battling from beyond the city's edge. Her love was in that war, and she knew not whether he would live or die.
Her fear and loneliness saturated that room to the point where she could not enter it without being overrun with the memories of those nights of fear.
Anyway, a few years on, once the war was over, her love came home. He had survived, though wasn't exactly welcome within the city; as a foreigner, even one who had defended them, he was still watched. That's how it is.
But, together, they managed to create a memory within that garden that overrode the entrenched fear and loneliness, replacing it with love, completion, a shining light that cleansed the garden.
While not the solution you're looking for, that is the kind of thing I meant. It doesn't have to be psionic or mystical. You just have to create a good memory to cloud out the bad one.
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Niccolo Salomanos Captain
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:14 am
it's always places that are not used frequently that are chosen as residential areas for wandering souls, even if they have no connection to the building itself.
also, realities overlap, the only real city i know of in the land of Faerie coexists overlaps... Glastonbury i think it was... anyway, your place could just happen to be somewere that certain dieties live in another reality.
it could be in this reality ((meaning just a little more tangible)), maybe you have a brownie who does not like his living space disturbed.
they tend to be tidy, though, maybe you have something else, if that is what it is.
sometimes just negative energy builds up in an object, it doesnt even have to be a specific one.
occaisionally, the negative energy becomes aware of itself, and gains a mind of it's own.
first thing though... was the cat statue made special in any way, such that a rejection would actually hurt it's feelings, or disturb the magix?
((Aleister Crowley dubbed the term magic(k) to separate the hollywood from the real thing, but i call it magix, because it is plural, yet not.))
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:05 am
Nick: Perhaps I'll try that too when I can. Though I'll NOT be attempting that without my sisters. I cannot dredge up a single happy thing there without someone there to help me out. It's just too oppressive there for me. -_- But It will certainly be worth a try sometime. *has yet to use what Clair provided but is far to busy for either at the moment*
Cabrion: I suppose since we aren't up there as often as we probably should be, that would explain it to an extent, that room. But I don't see why it wouldn't be the front room as it is frequented even less than the other. xp
As to your question, as far as I can tell with the cat statuette is made in no particularly special way. It just appears to be a glazed ceramic cat with green eyes painted on it. Perhaps the most special thing on it would be the eyes. If there was something to do with rejection....would accepting it not be something that might fix what it 'feels'? *did really like it for a time, but the turning of the statue was a tad unnerving as it did that on it's own* Perhaps I'll get a picture up sometime to let you have a look for your self, relatively speaking. *once I get around to touching it again*
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Tsume Rokaro Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:30 pm
which floor is the front room on? if it is on the first then it's probably because people pass by it frequently, or maybe a lot of noise filters through, if that is the case.
if you were living uninvited with some family, where would you go?
hmm... perhaps it wanted to be accepted by your grandmother, maybe your great aunts feelings rubbed off on it.
magix happens all the time, not just when in a ritual
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:46 pm
The front room is one the 2nd floor. We use it even less than the back room up there. (that's the one that feels so uncomfortable) But that room (front) always feels much better than the back one. In fact, it's the only room I can tolerate for any period of time.
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Tsume Rokaro Vice Captain
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