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DM_Melkhar
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:47 pm


Wikipedia - Antiquity
Early necromancy is likely related to shamanism, which calls upon spirits such as the ghosts of ancestors. Classical necromancers addressed the dead in "a mixture of high-pitch squeaking and low droning", comparable to the trance-state mutterings of shamans.[1]

The historian Strabo refers to necromancy as the principal form of divination amongst the people of Persia (Strabo, xvi. 2, 39, νεκρομαντία), and it is believed to also have been widespread amongst the peoples of Chaldea (particularly amongst the Sabians or star-worshipers), Etruria, and Babylonia. The Babylonian necromancers were called Manzazuu or Sha'etemmu, and the spirits they raised were called Etemmu.

Necromancy was widespread in ancient Greece from prehistoric times. In the Odyssey (XI, Nekyia), Odysseus makes a voyage to Hades, the Underworld, and raises the spirits of the dead using spells which he had learnt from Circe (Ruickbie, 2004:24). His intention is to invoke and ask questions of the shade of Tiresias, but he is unable to summon it without the assistance of others.

Although some cultures may have considered the knowledge of the dead to be unlimited, to the ancient Greeks and Romans, there is an indication that individual shades knew only certain things. The apparent value of their counsel may have been a result of things they had known in life, or of knowledge they acquired after death: Ovid writes of a marketplace in the underworld, where the dead could exchange news and gossip (Metamorphoses 4.444; Tristia 4.10.87–8 cool .[1]

There are also many references to necromancers, called "bone-conjurers", in the Bible. The Book of Deuteronomy (XVIII 9–12) explicitly warns the Israelites against the Canaanite practice of divination from the dead. This warning was not always heeded: King Saul has the Witch of Endor invoke the shade of Samuel using a magical amulet, for example. Later Christian writers rejected the idea that humans could bring back the spirits of the dead, and interpreted such shades as disguised demons, thus conflating necromancy with demon-summoning.

Proof for the common knowledge of necromancy and belief in its power is also evident in the New Testament. Others in the court believed Jesus to be Elijah, another deceased prophet. This account is written in Christian Canonical Scriptures, mainly the book of Mark, chapter 6:14-16. “King Herod heard about this, for Jesus' name had become well known. Some were saying, ‘John the Baptist has been raised from the dead, and that is why miraculous powers are at work in him.’ Others said, ‘He is Elijah.’ And still others claimed, ‘He is a prophet, like one of the prophets of long ago.’ But when Herod heard this, he said, ‘John, the man I beheaded, has been raised from the dead!”

Caesarius of Arles (Kors and Peters, 4 cool entreats his audience to put no stock in any demons, or “Gods” other than the one true Christian God, even if the working of spells appears to provide benefit. He states that demons only act with divine permission, and permitted by God to test Christian people. Caesarius does not condemn man here; he only states that the art of necromancy exists, although it is prohibited by the bible.


Wikipedia - Lich
The lich developed from monsters found in earlier classic sword and sorcery fiction, which is filled with powerful sorcerers who use their magic to triumph over death. Many of Clark Ashton Smith's short stories feature powerful wizards whose magic enables them to return from the dead. Several stories by Robert E. Howard (such as the Skull-Face novelette and the short story Scarlet Tears) feature undying sorcerers who retain a semblance of life through mystical means, their bodies reduced to shriveled husks which they manage to maintain mobile and active. Gary Gygax, one of the co-creators of Dungeons & Dragons, has stated that he based the description of a lich included in the game on the short story The Sword of the Sorcerer by Gardner Fox[1][2].The term "lich", used as an archaic word for corpse (or body), is commonly used in these stories. Other imagery surrounding demiliches, in particular that of a jeweled skull, is drawn from the early Fritz Leiber story "Thieves' House".

In Roman Catholicism and the Church of England, the word "lychgate" refers to a covered area at the entrance to the cemetery where the casket awaits the clergy before proceeding into the cemetery for proper burial, "lych" being a word meaning body or corpse derived from Old English. In fantasy, the lich is an undead creature that was never buried in a grave. This is different from other types of undead creatures, such as vampires and zombies, which were buried and subsequently returned from the dead.

The underlying idea of eluding death by means of arcane study and black magic can be traced to Middle Eastern folklore, and the method of achieving immortality by placing one's soul in a jar (which is usually hidden in some vast fortress) is suggestive of the burial practices of Egypt. This would make the lich a very-far-from-its-roots mythologization of Egyptian pharaohs. (For the Ancient Egyptians, the purpose of the mummy was to provide a place for the soul to fly back to; it was free to exist in both the afterlife and the physical world [the latter to commune with its descendants].)

Eastern Slavic legends tell of a powerful dark wizard or a demon, Koschei the Deathless, who evades death by having his fiery soul placed in the eye of a magical needle. The needle is inside an egg, which is inside a duck, which is inside a hare, which is locked in an iron chest placed at the roots of a great oak tree on the magical island of Buyan. Koschei can be killed only by breaking the magical needle, which is much like the phylactery of a lich. This image is consistent with the modern interpretation of the lich, possibly marking it as the "truer" origin of the concept. In J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter, the villain, Tom Riddle, wanted to extend his life so split his soul into several parts, storing them in precious artifacts special to him, creating horcruxes. The horcruxes had to be destroyed before Voldemort himself could actually die. The horcrux is thus similar to a lich's phylactery.

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This thread can also be linked with the Concept of Undead Armies. In many cases, undead armies are controlled by some kind of necromancer.
It is said that as necromancers become much more powerful, they eventually become something known as a lich.

Another way of a lich coming into being is the death of a necromancer or very powerful mage. In short, a lich is an undead sorcerer which in most cases is connected with the creature itself having once been a living necromancer.

The practice of necromancy involves the reanimation of the dead, whether it be zombies or skeletons. It can also involve sending evil spirits into inanimate objects. One example is the marionettes from Vagrant Story.
Unfortunately I can't find a picture. They're marionettes in the forms of little female dolls that carry knives. They wander around and rapidly attack you on sight, laughing a rather creepy little girl's laugh.

That's another consideration for necromancy. Sending a wicked spirit into such an object usually has a particular kind of motive behind it I believe.
That motive I think would be "what's going to put victims off and what's going to scare them?" I think dolls, puppets and children's stuffed animals are perfect candidates for such activities.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:00 pm


Ah yes, this is one interesting subject that is quite scary for some. You can even find it on many other media like Magic the Gathering, for example. Here, I had this card and it's quite searched for among Magic players:

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Isn't the art for the card quite creepy? The card itself is quite good but it doesn't really say "Necromancy" to me for some reason. Why? Cuz it doesn't bring back a creature as if it were a zombie itself, you know? It's almost like a method for simply reviving a creature. Or at least that's how it seems to me anyway...

BTW, what you mentioned last reminds me of those movies called "Child's Play". Anyone remember those? Here's more info in case you don't recall:

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On November 9, 1988, Charles Lee Ray, the notorious "Lakeshore Strangler" was being chased down a street by a cop, Mike Norris, who proceeded to fire on Ray, fatally injuring him. Bleeding heavily, Ray stumbled into a toy store and collapsed into a pile of Good Guy dolls. Knowing he would probably die, Ray used voodoo to transfer his soul into one of the dolls. The store was then struck by lightning, and it burned to the ground. Before he died as a human, Ray had randomly murdered several people, many of whom simply got in his way. For ten years, he attempts to use six-year-old Andy Barclay to transfer his soul into since Andy was the first person to whom Chucky revealed his secret, and thus the only person Chucky could transfer his soul to, in accordance with the voodoo spell.

Ten years later, Tiffany, Chucky's fiance' reassembles and brings him back to life. When Chucky admits that he never intended to marry her, Tiffany imprisons him in a crib, but Chucky manages to escape. He electrocutes Tiffany by pushing a TV in the bathtub, and transfers her soul into a doll. After reconciling, the couple embarks on a murder spree, culminating at the cemetery where Chucky's human body is buried, as they need to get The Heart of Damballa, in order to transfer their souls into human bodies. But Tiffany has other plans: she slyly asks Chucky to kiss her before they appropriate human form, but suddenly grabs his knife and stabs him. The two dolls fight to the death, after which Tiffany is discovered by a cop. Tiffany manages to give birth to an androgynous baby doll Glen/Glenda, dying shortly afterward.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:09 am


I remember the Child's Play movies with Chucky. They were very disturbing. If I remember correctly, they made several sequels. I remember best one where Chucky attacked an army camp. I am not sure which number of movie that was.

So according to Mel's definitions above is the Ouiji board a form of necromancy?

Too bad I wasn't able to get to the necromancer villain in my "Journey to Necromancy Castle" roleplay. I had him farely well flushed out in my mind.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:29 pm


I only liked the first tow movies about that. The rest didn't seem as good to me.

Ouiji board? Hmm... I don't know... I suppose it doesn't qualify or at least, it shouldn't; should it?

Anywho, that's a great avi SK! You should join a samurai oriented guild, he-he. mrgreen

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:35 am


Hypno, using a Ouija Board means "calling the spirits of the dead to you". Therefore in a way that can be construed as a form of necromancy.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:18 pm


Really? Cuz I always thought of Necromancy as something different. Oh well... rolleyes

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:03 am


I know what you mean. Necromancy is usually reanimating corpses whether they're still decomposing or are already skeletal. However, if you're a necromancer and need a spiritual means of getting your dirty work done, calling on the spirits of the dead by using magic is another "strain" of necromancy if you can call it that.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:09 pm


Yeah, yer right. I just never heard much about that part to be honest.

Say, have you ever seen the movie "Army of Darkness"? That movie was real funny and cool. I remember it was about the medieval times, or so I recall. And the big baddie was some kind of necromancer, or at least, it seemed that way to me. I wish I could see it again so I could really know the story. It seems there are at least 2 more related movies that I had no knowledge of. Talk about weird, huh?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:33 pm


Just popping in for a second...anyone read the Old Kingdom Trilogy - Sabriel, Lirael, Abhorsen? They're about necromancy in a kind of roundabout way. I recommend them to anyone who likes fantasy novels and necromancy. I'm actually reading them for the second time through. They're not hard to read, either, since they're found in the teens section. heart
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:37 am


Not seen any of those films I'm afraid. confused

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:24 pm


Sorry HashiOka, I doubt I'm gonna be reading anything anytime soon... sweatdrop

No sweat Mel, maybe you can watch them here on Gaia after they put them on the cinemas or whatever. mrgreen I really recommend the Army of Darkness one, it's very good. Or at least I liked it a lot. 3nodding
PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:12 am


I think a lot of my perceptions of necromancy have come from old films and Vagrant Story.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:49 pm


I see...

Well, at least you've played Vagrant Story. I still haven't! How does it have any necromancy anyway?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:23 pm


Half the enemies you fight that aren't dragons or fairies are normally undead. There are lots of undead knights, and especially in the "low city" which is basically a desolate place but otherwise not unlike the lowtown of Rabanastre in FFXIII you'll find Lichs and marionette puppets that have been possessed by evil spirits. There are MANY undead creatures in Vagrant Story. I've played about half the game, and to be honest, despite it being good the graphics are horrendous where Square are concerned and it's quite difficult to play. I got halfway through and realised I'd been doing everything wrong. Grr! I've not yet had the urge to play it again.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:24 pm


Really? As far as you've played though, have you seen any mention of the character who is acting as a necromancer in the game? Maybe you have to face one in the very end. How difficult is it exactly? Even though it has problems, it sounds interesting. That game is for the original Playstation, isn't it? I don't think I've ever seen it around, or have I? neutral
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