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 Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:07 am
CURSES Curses play a very stereotypical role in a lot of fantasy stories as well as in ancient history and mythology. They also tie in with the undead.
The Mummy and the Mummy Returns are two prime examples of Egyptian curses and how they make a lot of people superstitious.
They also highlight the Egyptian's tendencies to scare others with such curses, and I completely believe that some curses can be real.
I believe that most things don't just "happen" by coincidence, and that there's usually some force behind it whether it be God or something else.
Curses are typical of ancient civilisations, those who have done evil deeds, and, and those who have the worst luck imaginable (in both reality, fantasy
and the paranormal). In the paranormal sense, some good vampires have considered themselves to be cursed because they were turned against their will,
forced to drink the blood of the living and walk the world for eternity unless they're destroyed.
Immortality is also sometimes considered a curse. Many people say "oh yes I'd love to live forever", but if you think about it would you really
like to see your friends and family grow old and die whilst you walk in youth forever? Lost Odyssey is a prime example of this, and you'd
have to play it to see how immortality is portrayed from Sakaguchi's perspective and how it really can be considered to be a curse, aka "cursed to live forever."
It can be called a gift as well, but it depends entirely on the circumstances and an individual's personal feelings.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:32 pm
Curses I believe are largely psychological. If a person truly believes they are cursed then the effects of the curse will begin to become apparent to them. This is the primary principle behind voodoo magic as well. Even a skeptical person may be effected by the psychological effects of a curse if they have fear of the curse in their mind. Fear is a powerful weapon.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:57 am
Surely as a Christian you believe in the seven plagues of Egypt?
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:55 pm
Hey Mel! Did you know that the plagues can be scientifically explained? There was a documentary telling how a volcanic eruption can explain all 12 plagues. Even the killing of every first born! 3nodding
That was an awesome documentary.
And yes, SK is right about his post.
BTW, I have heard about how some vampires view their condition as some sort of curse. You can see this on the show called "Moonlight". 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:31 am
Scientists aren't always right you know. I don't know of any volcanoes in Egypt. Correct me if there are any, but I've not heard of any at all. Scientists are afraid of anything and everything they can't explain, so they try to find scientific theories for absolutely everything because 90% of them are atheist idiots who are scared of the real truth. They won't accept that there's a power out there that they can't explain, and the fact that they know it's there scares them in my opinion.
There's no point in anyone being here unless they're believers of the supernatural/paranormal.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:42 pm
Yeah, I know they aren't always right but still, this documentary was quite something. At least it made me wonder how much of it was truth or not. If you want to know a bit bout it, check this out: Wikipedia In 2006, a documentary created by filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici suggested that the eruption of the Santorini Island Volcano (c. 1623 B.C., +/-25) caused all the biblical plagues described against Egypt, re-dating the eruption to c. 1500 B.C.. The Hyksos, some of them Mycenaean Greek "Hebrews", fled Egypt (which they had in fact ruled for some time) after the eruption. Jacobovici (and fellow producer James Cameron) make a dramatic, but rather thinly-supported presentation that the Hyksos were none other than the Israelites, who also may have been known as Habiru. The pharaoh with whom they identify the Pharaoh of the Exodus is Ahmose I. Rather than crossing the Red Sea, a marshy area in northern Egypt, known as the "Reed Sea" he argued would have been alternately drained and flooded by Tsunamis caused by the caldera collapse and could have been crossed during the exodus. And even though you're correct by saying that, there's no shame in searching for the truth, whichever it may be. I've heard people say that it's nonsense to blindly believe anything that comes your way and, I've also heard how it is foolish to disregard everything just because you do not believe in it. I believe we must be balanced in that subject, we should make up our own minds in what we believe and not let ourselves be pushed into believing into something just because someone tells us to. You know? I found that documentary fascinating but I'm not about to buy into it right away just cuz it sounds plausible.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:17 am
Despite the fact that the Bible was written by many different people, it's not a case of Chinese whispers. I know it was originally written in languages that are no longer spoken or only spoken in very remote regions of the Holy Land, and it's been translated so many times that there are various ways the stories have been told, but in truth to Christians at least, it is true and it all happened. Textbooks don't spring out of nowhere. It is always difficult to prove something that cannot really be explained, but if a volcano was the original cause of the plagues of Egypt, then to Christians it will have been God who caused the eruption in order for the plagues to be sent.
I personally believe what the Bible says, and don't get me wrong because there are a few things within the book that I am not sure about which includes things like sex before marriage and the line "women submit to your husbands". Aka, no way am I letting any man rule me and there are several interpretations of what "keeping the marriage bed pure" means which is the only true line in the Bible I can find that refers to what people believe to be "no sex before you're married". No, this isn't about curses and I am digressing, but I am explaining that the Bible is not a book to be taken lightly and it's still the world's bestseller no matter what all the bookshops say. There have been more copies of the Bible sold across the world than any book by any other author. The seven plagues of Egypt are considered to be a phenomenon by many, and to Christians (myself included) they were sent by God as a punishment. He may have used a volcano as a catalyst for the whole affair, but there's no real way to prove that.
Lastly, I believe in the paranormal/supernatural and therefore believe that curses exist and that many of them can't be explained by science alone in order to have complete clarity.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:33 pm
I agree with most of what you said Mel. I'm glad that you won't let any man rule you. I mean, really! The whole point of marriage is that the two people become equal partners. Unless maybe they both agree to let one dominate the other cuz they both like it that way (to each their own). You know?
Anyways, I was watching this... movie the other day (it seemed like a Russian or German movie) and there was a mention of this woman who was cursed there. I found it strange that a woman would curse herself and be freed of the curse by simply admitting to someone else that she had done it. I don't even know the name of the movie but it was something like I ain't never seen before.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:20 am
There's the concept of demons being a curse.
There are various Bible stories about demons possessing people.
Has anyone watched "the real exorcist"? It can be quite disturbing.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:00 pm
Ah yes, the infamous demonic possessions being treated as curses. I've only seen about 2 movies regarding that: The original exorcist movie (with Linda Blair) and the one that's supposed to be the prequel to that. I still haven't seen the exorcism of... who was it? Mary Rose, I think..? neutral Can't recall...
Still, The most famous curses are those from ancient Egypt. I've seen both of the Mummy movies with Brendan Frasier and Rachel Weisz (sp?). That woman is a real hottie. mrgreen
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:07 pm
hypnocrown Ah yes, the infamous demonic possessions being treated as curses. I've only seen about 2 movies regarding that: The original exorcist movie (with Linda Blair) and the one that's supposed to be the prequel to that. I still haven't seen the exorcism of... who was it? Mary Rose, I think..? neutral Can't recall... Still, The most famous curses are those from ancient Egypt. I've seen both of the Mummy movies with Brendan Frasier and Rachel Weisz (sp?). That woman is a real hottie. mrgreen
Some say vampirism is a curse.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:48 pm
Yes, I think that is more of a "point of view" kind of a thing. You know what I mean right? As in: Obi Wan Kenobi "You'll find that many truths depend on your own point of view." There's also the way a character feels about his vampiric condition in the show "Moonlight". He thinks he is cursed, as opposed to a friend of his who believes that vampirism is actually a blessing. This makes me wonder about how many other kinds of things could be considered curses and how many not so much. Also, it's a bit strange we haven't talked much about curses from ancient Egypt. I should probably PM The Egyptian Dragon to come here and post. mrgreen
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:35 am
Yeah, definitely.
However, people should really be using these forums without us having to say something.
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:20 pm
Yeah I know. The thing is, they either don't have much time for the sub-forums or they just don't know what to post. Maybe there are other reasons but I can't think of any...
Hey! What do you think about the curse of the Pharaoh Tutankamon? I think that's the most famous curse in history. I'm gonna see what wikipedia has to say about it later in the week. mrgreen
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:22 pm
Ah, curses. I believe that they exist, but not all that are claimed to have been cast. Just looked what happened to Howard Carter and his crew when they found King Tut's tomb: his canary was mysteriously consumed by a snake, people died left and right, and his dog went nuts before a relative died. Skeptics say that it was the dusty particle things that accumulated over the years within the tomb that caused illness and death, but that can only account for some of the incidences.
As for the plagues that swept through Egypt, I have a book that explains everything detail for detail. The volcano that erupted in the Mediterranean Sea has been tributed to have been the cause of the reshaping of Crete (I think that is the island that has a crater-like port), the destruction of an advanced civilization (that some people have claimed to be the real Atlantis-forgot the real name of the people), tsunamis everywhere and water receding from the land, along with chaotic atmospheric and water conditions moving as south as Africa and as north as the main continent of Europe. The plagues are also explained in full detail as to what they really are... When I get home form school I will dig that book out and give you the name of it.
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