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 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:26 pm
Sorry if this is a repeat for some of you. It's fairly common knowledge in the fishing forum, but figured it might help some newer members just getting into fishing.
There are 3 kinds of bait currently:
F-bait: Worst kind, but cheap. 25 g
D-bait: In the middle. 100 g
A-bait: Best kind, but expensive. 250 g
The difference (besides cost) is how they attract fish. If you can't catch the fish though, it won't really matter. But lets say you throw out the line 18 times, and catch the first 18 things you snag.
As an example, the F-bait would net you maybe 7 fish and 11 junk. The D-bait would net you 11 fish and 7 junk. And the A-bait would net you 15 fish and only 3 junk.
But A-bait is very very expensive. That's why bait degradation is important.
Bait "re-sets" after 12 hours. What that means is that if you do not fish for 12 hours, your bait increases in quality for a limited time. So you can use cheaper bait but get better results. For example, once bait re-sets, you can use 5 F-baits and they act like:
A-A-D-D-D
The first two times you use F-bait, it will act as Grade-A bait. The next 3 times, it acts as Grade-D bait. That means if you spend 125 g, you get the performance of 2 A-baits and 3 D-baits which normally would cost 800 g.
Lets say you use 5 D-baits. They will act like:
A-A-A-A-A
So if you buy 5 D-baits, they act like 5 A-baits. You'd spend 500 g to get the performance of 5 A-baits, which normally costs 1,250 g.
Therefore, the best economical solution is to buy 2 F-baits, and 3 D-baits.
F-F-D-D-D will be A-A-A-A-A. In that scenario, you fish the 2 F-baits first. Your cost of bait is 350 g, and you get the performance of 5 A-baits (1,250 g).
The 12 hours starts from the last time you fished, so if you stop fishing at 9 pm and wait til 9 am, your bait will have re-set.
After the first 5 buckets, bait degrades to what it is. So if you buy F-bait after, it acts as F-bait. If you buy D-bait, it acts as D-bait.
Hope that helps.
Thanks Sug! Lemme boost this up the scale a little bit and add a quick note here (besides the fact Im a horrid fisher, mwahaha) If anyone else have good fishing tips add them here and Ill make sure we have a running thread of them! --Vi
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:14 pm
See, it is stuff like this that we newbies need to know! Thanks Polkaroo!
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:42 am
How to Crack the Fishing Ratings Saw a question in another thread about this, but didn't want to clog it up with a long explanation. There are 5 competitions each month. 1 is the overall title, 1 is the junk title, and each lake (Bass'ken, Gambino, and Durem) has a competition. For overall, at least 1/4 of your catches must be from Bass'ken, with another 1/4 from Gambino. They combine your total scores and multiply it by your performance index. The performance index measures the consistency and quality of the fish you catch. Basically, the better fish you catch, the higher your score. The less junk you catch, the higher your score. A comprehensive breakdown of PI is available in the fishing forum. Check the Top Fishers thread. Ideally, if you are going to compete here, you want to fish 1/4 at Bass'ken, 1/4 at Gambino, and the other 2/4 should be at Durem since the lake boosts your score the most. So if you were going to fish 10 times a day for 30 days, that'd be 300 buckets. 75 should be at Bass'ken, 75 at Gambino, and 150 at Durem. You can do 150 each at Bass'ken and Gambino, but then you lose the benefit of scoring that Durem brings. Only the #1 overall fisher wins a trophy. And some of these fishers are putting in 6 to 8 hours a day on average (50 buckets a day). So if you want to win it all, be prepared to sacrifice a lot of time in a month. The junk trophy is an informal calculation done, and there is a thread in the fishing forum that explains how they calculate it. I believe they give out 10 trophies. 1st gets gold, 2nd silver, and 3rd through 10th get bronze. Each lake also has a competition. They measure your score at one particular lake. Again, 1st gets gold, 2nd gets silver, and 3rd through 10th get bronze. Performance index is not used, so it is better to fish more than just for quality. Example: a perfect Bass'ken bucket (9 bass, 9 stripers) will net 378 points, but take you an hour to do through filtering. A speed fisher (one who does minimal filtering) can whip through 5 buckets in an hour (more if they use a strength rod and no filtering). Those buckets may suck (only 2 bass, 2 stripers on average) but that still gives them 10 bass, 10 stripers in the same amount of time it took you to get 9 of each. AND they still have 70 other fish that go towards their score. So they may average only 125 points per bucket, but because they fish more, they outscore you 625 to 378 in the same amount of time. If you want to compete, first be sure to have some gold reserves saved up. You'll probably need to buy 5 to 10 Grade A baits every day to compete, at least 2,000 g per day in bait. It is also very time-consuming, at least 3 hours a day on average, if not more. But if you do compete, do not fish at other lakes for a "break." Those points don't go towards your score at the lake you're competing at. Hope that answers the question clearly. If you have any other questions, let me know. I'm certainly not the fishing expert, but competing this month has taught me a lot, and I'd be happy to help in any way I can. EDITTED FROM ANOTHER THREAD BY VI
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:12 pm
This isn't my idea, though I picked it up from someone and thought I'd share. For anyone who wants to really earn their gold, I'd suggest junking at Durem. It takes a bit more skill than fishing elsewhere, but can pay off bigtime. It's especially good for those who have trouble selling fish on the marketplace.
I'd recommend a strength rod or strength rod plus. The plus will cast farther and get you some boldurs, but this method doesn't really get a lot of large fish anyways.
Simply buy F baits, go to Durem, fish. That's it?
The small fish at Durem is the pebbo, worth 11 g. So by catching 3, you have already paid off your bait and profited.
On average, you will catch 10 pebbos, 1 biter, 7 pieces of assorted junk. You can sell the fish on the marketplace, or if you're lazy, just sell back to Logan. If you really stick with the fishing, you can do 7 buckets an hour, though if you really get the hang of Durem, 10 buckets isn't out of the question.
Assuming 7 buckets, here's what you can expect to earn:
70 pebbos at 11 g = 770 g
7 biters at 16 g = 112 g
882 g for the fish if you sell back to Logan, minus the bait cost (175 g) leaves you a net profit of 707 g in an hour, PLUS your junk which you should sell on the marketplace.
Assuming an equal split of junk (on average), that's 16 of each junk item. If you assume 1 g added onto Logan's price for tires and boots (you can get more, but just conservative estimate), that tacks on another 112 g profit. The cans really should not go for less than 7 g, though you can sell them for 8 to 12 g. At 7 g, that'd be another 70 g.
All in all, that leaves you a total profit of 889 g in an hour if you are not very good at Durem. If you can do 10 buckets, which takes some practice, you'll be making 1,270 g per hour without having to filter. That's using conservative gold figures.
If you don't have a strength rod, I believe you can rent one out from here, and after an hour or two you will have the gold to buy your own.
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:23 am
What's the difference in bait?
A-Quality
Junk: 18, Small: 54, Medium: 18, Large: 9, Rare: 1 or 0
D-Quality
Junk: 32, Small: 54, Medium: 11, Large: 3, Rare: 1 or 0
F-Quality
Junk: 51, Small: 42, Medium: 6, Large: 1, Rare: 0
Note: Quality means what the bait is rated at. After 12 hours, your bait resets, so F and D bait act like A-quality for a short time. See the note on bait degradation.
What these figures show are the ODDS of hooking particular types of fish. It does not mean you will hook those fish. You can still get 18 junk in an A-bucket, and 18 fish per F-bucket.
How you read the above is that basically without the rare, it adds up to 99. So we'll say 100 for convenience sake. Each number represents the odds of hooking a particular type of fish/junk.
So for F-bait, you have 51% of hooking junk, 42% of hooking a small fish, 6% chance of hooking a medium fish, and 1% chance of hooking a large fish.
Once you catch the maximum per type of bait, you cannot catch anymore. So you can only catch one large fish per F-quality bucket.
Also, once you catch a fish, the odds go down. So for A-quality, you can catch 9 large fish maximum. But if you catch 4, then your odds of hooking another drop down to 5%. Catch another and the odds drop to 4%.
F-bait is the most profitable bait for beginners. D-bait is for intermediate fishers or for "cheap" rare fish hunting, since it is only 100 g instead of 250 g and has the same chance of hooking a rare. A-bait is for fishers who can filter a lot, because they will use it to hook 4 to 6 large fish per bucket.
Hope that is clear and explains the different grades of bait better.
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