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 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:44 am
It has come to my attention that there are three big, international and well-known companies all support animal cruelty. The first of these three being KFC. Quote: PETA conducted an undercover investigation a couple of years back at a Tyson slaughterhouse, but even that did not prepare us for the disgusting acts that would be documented during two 2007 investigations. During the investigations inside Tyson slaughterhouses in Cumming, Georgia the investigator documented that a worker pissed on the conveyor belt on which chickens are moved to be hung! The investigator also documented sickening cruelty to animals in both the Georgia and Tennessee slaughterhouses. Supervisors at both facilities either were directly involved in the abuse or were made aware of it by the investigator—but they did not stop it. In addition to the cuts and broken limbs suffered by live chickens at these slaughterhouses, the investigator documented the following: * One worker admitted that he broke a chicken's back by beating the bird against a rail, a back-up killer stabbed birds in the neck area with knives, and hangers hung birds from shackles by their necks instead of by their legs. * Our investigator videotaped a supervisor telling him it was acceptable to rip the heads off live birds who had been improperly shackled. * Problems unfixed for days with the stunning process left tens of thousands of birds subject to the killing-machine blades while they were conscious and improperly positioned. * Birds routinely arrived at the slaughterhouses dead and severely mutilated. On one particularly bad day, up to 300 chickens died. A supervisor later blamed such deaths on the heat and the severely crowded transport crates. The second is, Mars. Yes, it will be hard to quit this one, but we all know that you don't NEED to torture animals to make chocolate bars. I mean really. BOYCOTT THE BASTARDS. Quote: I think you know by now that we try to bring really eye-opening information to the public because industries which exploit animals want people to remain ignorant. We have found that when people learn the truth, they're horrified by cruelty to animals and want to help stop it! So with that said, we recently uncovered evidence that chocolate-maker Mars Inc.— creator of M&M's, Snickers, and other candies—continues to fund deadly animal tests! Mars has funded cruel experiments in which mice were fed a candy ingredient and forced to swim in a pool of paint. The mice had to find a platform to try to avoid drowning, only to be later killed and dissected. In another gruesome experiment supported by Mars, rats were fed cocoa and then sedated with carbon dioxide so that blood could be collected through a needle that punctured their hearts! How messed up is that? And you want proof? Just check out these studies: *Elizabeth Paisley et al., "Temporal-Regulation of Serum Lipids and Stearoyl CoA Desaturase and Lipoprotein Lipase mRNA in BALB/cHnn Mice," Journal of Nutrition (1996) 126.11: 2730-2737. *Timothy Orozco et al., "Chronic consumption of a flavanol- and procyanindin-rich diet is associated with reduced levels of 8-hydroxy-2'-deoxyguanosine in rat testes," Journal of Nutritional Biochemistry (2003) 14: 104-10. *Francene Steinberg et al., "Pyrroloquinoline Quinone Improves Growth and Reproductive Performance in Mice Fed Chemically Defined Diets," Experimental Biology and Medicine (2003) 228: 160-66. *Henriette van Praag I et al., "Plant-derived flavanol (-)epicatechin enhances angiogenesis and retention of spatial memory in mice." Journal of Neuroscience (2007) 27: 5869-5878. More info on these nutcases HERE.And so, case number three. Mary-kate and Ashley, our favorite twins from the other side. yay. Apparently, they have released a rather... gigantic fur clothing range. Now if you know what the fur industry is like, you're already on the peta website signing petitions and sending protest letters. if not... well. I'll tell you. Quote: Animals on fur farms spend their entire miserable lives in tiny, filthy cages, surrounded by their own waste. Forced to stand on thin cage wires, the millions of minks, foxes, rabbits, and other animals never get the chance to dig, play, or do anything else that's natural and important to them. Some animals are killed by having their necks broken or their skulls beaten before being strung up by their back legs and having their heads cut off. Others are killed by a**l or vaginal electrocution. There is absolutely no reason to kill animals for their fur when there are so many fashionable and humane alternatives! Rulin' ya universes...
More info HERE.
I strongly encourage activism! Peta offers free packs of stickers and fliers to hand out at your local mall (Personally, I'd stand outside KFC.)
Unfortunately, they don't seem to ship outside America or Great Britain sad
But there are printables if you can't have them sent to you. ...since 1992.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:56 pm
Uh... You know that PETA have actually been caught preforming just as much animal cruelty as the places they boycott right? I don't respect people or organizations that don't practice what they preach. As for the topic... I'll leave it for now, but if it becomes an argument of some sort in here I'll have to lock it. I'm just giving a heads up because this is a controversial topic, and could spark a heated discussion.
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Petite Aristocrat Captain
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:33 pm
I think the guild could use a heated discussion. I vote we have a heated discussion about having heated discussions!
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:53 pm
Oh... and about fur... Not everyplace that sells fur are cruel to animals. My family used to breed rabbits... We sold the furs... Those rabbits were pampered as far as I'm concerned. Yes they were in cages... each one had their own cage, there's no other way to keep them unless you want to build them a house. The bottoms were wire mesh... Cage bottoms have to be so when they "go" the urine and such goes through the wires to the tray below, which is cleaned daily. When the animal dies, it's skinned... Th meat was sold, the fur was sold. If an animal became injured in a way that is could not be saved (If it broke it's back or what not) we snapped it's neck because that's the quickest, more painless way to kill an animal. It dies instantly, before it even knows what's going on. Then it would be skinned and the meat and fur would be sold. We bred rabbits, sold rabbits, sold the fur, sold the meat, and even had many rabbits win awards in show. But our rabbits were always healthy and happy. You can't imagine how much work I had to go through to keep them cool all Summer in the middle of Georgia... I find no reason people can't wear fur... As long as the place the fur came from wasn't mean to the owner of said fur, what is wrong with it? But when an animal activist sees someone wearing fur, do they inquire? No... they automatically throw red paint on you, throw rocks at you and scream obscenities at you, calling you a murderer... That fur could of come from your own animals that you cared for... Or an animal you found dead... Or whatever... Real animal cruelty to me is when people don't use the bits of the dead animal. When the animal dies and just wastes away... The native Americans used all parts of the animals... even the bones... They hunted... Imagine if PETA were around back then... They'd probably just be extinct now instead of rare... I don't usually eat at KFC because their chicken is too greasy... and I don't eat MARS candy bars because I hate chocolate... But if I liked greasy chicken and chocolate... I'd eat them... The KFC thing... really doesn't get me at all... And the Mars thing sounds ridiculous, and I don't even see how it makes sense. And I watched the video on that site, which didn't show anything but old footage from various places that did animal testing... Not Mars candy testing. So... I'm not buying it. Especially when PETA is involved because they are known for... well... I wont get into it... But I don't buy much of anything PETA tries dishing out. Oh... Funny part of the video "Mice are not little men!" blah blah... Here's why mice are used for testing so often... http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/Animal_Alternatives/whymice.htm
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Petite Aristocrat Captain
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:32 pm
mangacatgirl Uh... You know that PETA have actually been caught preforming just as much animal cruelty as the places they boycott right? I don't respect people or organizations that don't practice what they preach. As for the topic... I'll leave it for now, but if it becomes an argument of some sort in here I'll have to lock it. I'm just giving a heads up because this is a controversial topic, and could spark a heated discussion. Rulin' ya universes...
That's no excuse to not boycott other companies... if PETA makes the same mistakes, then just boycott them too. I couldn't care less about PETA; a lot of the stuff they publish is pretty silly "Milk has pus"-stickers etc... they have a strange little plan of turning humanity vegan as well, which also is pretty stupid. But I still think what KFC and mars are doing the wrong thing, as well as MK&A.
About the fur... I know that some fur farms are more fair and humane, but I doubt that MK&A would buy them (they'd probably be more expensive...)
Personally, I think fake fur is a better alternative. However, if an animal is killed for the sake of food, then using the fur is fine by me... it's much better than just letting it rot away. But that's just my opinion, and I respect the opinions of others just as much.
...since 1992.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:04 pm
You know it actually makes sense to me that PETA should argue for the whole world being vegan. I mean its hypocritical to be against all this other animal stuff, but be fine with killing animals for food. Either way animals are dieing and often being bred for the sole purpose of dieing. You may say "but people have to eat to live so killing for food is alright", but the truth of the matter is that tons of people never eat meat and live healthy lives. The only non-hypocritical part of any of it would be close to what kitty described. Raise animals lovingly and as parts of your family and then when they die from natural causes to use all the parts of them. In that scenario the animals aren't being bred for the sole purpose of dieing and they are living full happy lives. Course then you get into an arguement about if people should keep pets at all, but thats another topic.
Honestly though...I didn't even read the initial post. It just doesn't bother me enough. I might say its bad in an idle discussion with a friend, but its not bad enough to get me upset, to make me actually exert effort over it, or to make me stop using a service such as KFC. Maybe I'm an uncaring b*****d though.
Also...I do eat KFC and will keep doing so. We find that asking for the extra crispy kind helps it be less greesy. Not that it isn't still greesy. Just less so.
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Petite Aristocrat Captain
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:57 pm
Vegans don't just "not eat meat"... They aren't allowed to drink milk, eat eggs... There's a lot of "off limit" stuff there. Personally... if no one ate chicken eggs... Chickens would take over the dang world with them ^.^; Do you know how many eggs one chicken lays every day? And they don't even NEED a rooster to lay them... And most of their eggs are not filled with babies... I'm gonna eat me some chicken eggs as my way of saving the world from chickens >.>;
As for PETA and the pet thing... Most PETA people are hypocritical... Officially PETA members are not supposed to have pets, because it's animal enslavement or something, I dunno... But many PETA members and supporters HAVE pets... and what do they feed them? They "good" canned dog/cat/whatever food... And what does that food have in it?... meat... and meat comes from animals... And they argue that it's because their pets are omnivores or carnivores and need meat to live... And then you have to slap them in the face and tell them that people are omnivores too... But who cares about people right? Kill animals for other animals but don't kill animals for people ^.^;
Sushi
The KFC thing seemed more like something got messed up at one point and now they are made out to be bad guys. Everything listed was either a bad employee, that is now likely fired, or an error that happened, that is likely fixed now. PETA has been bashing KFC for ages. They keep coming up with these new issues to slap at them... Most of which are proven to be false...
The Mars thing I just think is dumb... I looked on the site and failed to see any real evidence. The "experiments" don't even make any sense... And the fact that they tried to make the M&M guys look scary and bloody on the front page made me instantly annoyed ^.^; So for that one, I'm just not buying it.
As for Mary K and Ashley... Not believing they'd get good fur because it's more expensive is just silly. It isn't like they don't have the cash. If you want good fur for clothes, you have to have it from healthy animals... A rabbit/fox/mink with mange will not give you a suitable fur to make clothes out of. There's no proof that I see that their products are made from bad fur farm fur. The video they showed was of a random fur farm... No where did it show or prove that, that is where their fur comes from. They do the same thing any time a celebrity has a line of clothing that has fur in it. Personally I'm tired of seeing it in the news... PETA says this person's fur is from fur farms... Oh now PETA says THIS celebrity's fur is from fur farms... Know why they are so eager to do this to celebrities? It gets PETA publicity... An often, whether or not it's true, they will get paid money to stop saying it because such accusations make the celebrities look bad... Especially when it's not true... But PETA doesn't feel it has to "prove" anything... When celebrities are informed their fur came from a place such as a bag fur farm... They stop getting fur from that place... Why? Because one... it's bad to get fur from there... and two, they don't want bad publicity like "So and so support fur farms". Often they don't know where the fur is coming from... They don't order it themselves... They say "We need fur for this new outfit" and someone gets it for them. But when it's brought to their attention that it comes from a bad place, they always chance where they get it from, and make sure they are getting it from someplace good. Also someone often gets fired for choosing that place in the first place.
So that's where I stand on those issues, specifically... The thing is... When a place IF found to be doing something really bad, the authorities take care of it... A bunch of people standing outside yelling or signing petitions often does nothing at all. And often those people get arrested for disturbing the peace. Well not the petition people... they just get laughed at. People seem to believe that if they get people to sign a petition, the changes have to be made... In actuality, that's not how it works. First you have to have an agreement with the organization... Saying "if I get __ number of people to sign this petition, will you do this?" If they say "Yes"... the petition is legitimate and can make a difference.
I'm against things like puppy farms and stuff like that. But all places that have animals have constant inspections, and must meet a standard or they are shut down. I'm willing to let the people in charge of those things do their job. After all, that's what they are paid to do.
Those fur farms and such in the video are in other countries where they don't have the same laws and rules as America...
Wooow... such a long message ^.^; No one is even going to read all this XD
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:01 pm
I don't know much about all these topics being brought up but now I'm quite curious. I only heard of the KFC actions back in... 7th grade maybe? They're just boycotting it now? I heard about all the sites popping up on it from a friend in an acting camp. It was pretty disgusting, she showed pictures and everything. >.>;; I've told a few friends but they didn't seem to give a crap because they liked the chicken so much. I still won't eat there, didn't before and don't now. I'm just not a fan in general, I agree with Kitty on the point that it could just be a bad employee. I have some doubts if it was anything more KFC would be standing after all the bad publicity. I used to be more against it than I am now but I don't think they want a huge case on their hands and this would probably have gone farther if it was something extremely corrupted.
Bahaha, saving the world from chickens. xD I could never be a vegan as it is just way to complicated. I could barely pull off vegetarian for the month my mom wanted me to try it. I actually did read your post, Kitty. I don't really support furs but that is just me. Yeah, I eat meat but I don't like furs. I just don't think they're "lovely". >.>;; I won't go splashing red paint all over some random celeb for wearing them nor will I post bashing sites up around the net. I'm not a hardcore anti-fur supporter. Not to be hypocritical on the topic, I honestly just don't like furs. I have no idea how animals are bred for fur or if they are just used for their fur, I'm not to educated on this topic. I'll just have to trust the inspectors like Kitty. xD
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Petite Aristocrat Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:35 pm
That's fine. Fur isn't for everyone. Personally I don't own any fur garments, but I think if a person wants to, they should be able to as long as the fur was acquired in a good way. I respect that not everyone likes everything, so I have no problem with people who don't like fur or wear fut. Just so long as they don't tell me I can't if I chose to ^.^ But it's not like I'm going to support someone walking around with a panda fur jacket and baby seal skin boots or something though ^.^; I mean everything has it's limits.
And those chickens... They have world domination in mind... >.>; It's all in the eggs man... THE EGGS!
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:39 pm
I love KFC, it's so delicious. I don't care what they do to those animals personally, as long as they keep it tasty
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:56 pm
mangacatgirl That's fine. Fur isn't for everyone. Personally I don't own any fur garments, but I think if a person wants to, they should be able to as long as the fur was acquired in a good way. I respect that not everyone likes everything, so I have no problem with people who don't like fur or wear fut. Just so long as they don't tell me I can't if I chose to ^.^ But it's not like I'm going to support someone walking around with a panda fur jacket and baby seal skin boots or something though ^.^; I mean everything has it's limits. And those chickens... They have world domination in mind... >.>; It's all in the eggs man... THE EGGS! Rulin' ya universes...
I agree with that. I mean, if it's from a good place and the animals were treated right.
Eggs=Chicken periods. *goes to fry an omelette*
...since 1992.
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