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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:51 pm
After reading a good chunk of the chronicles years ago, I'm finally going back and rereading, in order of my favorites.
I began with the Vampire Lestat, and . . . how did I forget how good these books are?! I'm in love with the writing style, the characters, the time period, everything!
So I know this guild is fairly dead (how appropriate), but perhaps if anyone stumbles upon this post, they would be willing to discuss some things with me?
First and foremost: Nicki. Oh my God Nicki. Do you think he and Lestat would have stayed together if they had both remained mortal?
Should Lestat have ever made him into a vampire?
Do you think he ever truly loved Lestat?
Gabrielle. What the eff is her problem? Sorry, I just really don't like her character and don't think it's developed well. Your opinions?
Is she a suitable companion for Lestat?
Gabrielle and Nicki are each about to be torched. Lestat can only save one. Which do you think he would choose?
What if the options were Gabrielle, Nicki, Louis, and Armand?
Right now I've only read to the part where the Theatre of the Vampires is created and Lestat is about to hear Armand's story. I know the rest of the book though, but as I read I'll probably add more questions.
But in the end, was it worth it? Did Magnus do the right thing by giving Lestat immortality? Or would he have found true happiness as a mortal on Renaud's stage in Paris with Nicki?
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:54 pm
SOMEONE HERE LIVES? eek It has been awhile since I've read these books (and they are at home where I am not) so I'm responding on what I can remember. Quote: First and foremost: Nicki. Oh my God Nicki. Do you think he and Lestat would have stayed together if they had both remained mortal? I don't think so. I think Lestat still would have become the person that he did even if he wasn't turned...though maybe it would have taken longer for him to develop in that way. They just aren't similar enough to have ever REALLY seen eye to eye. Quote: Should Lestat have ever made him into a vampire? Regardless of Lestat's choice Nicki would have still gone insane and killed himself. It is the knowlege of what he became/could become that drove him to madness. The real question should be if Lested should have ever revealed himself as a vampire to Nicki in the first place. Quote: Do you think he ever truly loved Lestat? I think it was more of an admiration than real love. Quote: Gabrielle. What the eff is her problem? Sorry, I just really don't like her character and don't think it's developed well. Your opinions? Gabrielle lived her entire mortal life under the pressure of a family. I think that more than explains her new found selfishness once she is turned. I was never really fond of her character or place in the story. Quote: Is she a suitable companion for Lestat? I think one of them would have wound up (really) dead...probably Lestat (as hard as it is to think of anyone REALLY killing him) since he has always had such an attachtment to Gabrielle. Quote: Gabrielle and Nicki are each about to be torched. Lestat can only save one. Which do you think he would choose? Gabrielle. He didn't really want to turn Nicki in the first place and I would think that Lestat would be perfectly aware of how miserable he is anyway. Quote: What if the options were Gabrielle, Nicki, Louis, and Armand? Louis. Lestat made Louis...chose him. He didn't want Nicki to be turned and Gabrielle was turned more out of desperation of losing his mother than anything else. Armand...well I just don't see him being chosen. Quote: But in the end, was it worth it? Did Magnus do the right thing by giving Lestat immortality? Or would he have found true happiness as a mortal on Renaud's stage in Paris with Nicki? Magnus was crazy and I highly doubt that he was thinking of the outcomes of his decision. For that reason I don't really see the matter as being one of rights and wrongs. As for Lestat finding happiness with Nicki at the theater...I doubt it. After awhile I think the two of them would tire just as all people do. So what about you? What are your opinions of your quesitons?
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:02 pm
Some Questions of my own.
Who do you think is the most vile character (purely evil or as close as that can be) in the chronicles and why?
Who do you think is the most complicated character and why?
Do you find the Theatre des Vampires to be a cruel place, an honest place, a place of trickery...what is your opinion of it?
Which character would you have liked to have learned more about...perhaps in a book completely about their life?
I'll leave the questions there until I know you've read more of the books.
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:54 pm
In reply to your questions: Quote: Who do you think is the most vile character (purely evil or as close as that can be) in the chronicles and why? That's actually why I love Rice's vampires. They're so delightfully . . . human. Just like regular people, there are no true heroes and villains. There's more complexity to it, more moral dilemma and the downright decision to do something you know is wrong. Personally, and it pains me to type it, I think Armand is best at squelching that inner voice telling him that something is morally wrong. Quote: Who do you think is the most complicated character and why? Again, a hard one, because the characters are each so real and have their own complexities. I'm going to say Lestat for this one, perhaps because he is simply the most unpredictable. Half the time even he can't tell you why he did something. Quote: Do you find the Theatre des Vampires to be a cruel place, an honest place, a place of trickery...what is your opinion of it? Honestly? I never paid that much attention to it. It is the ultimate act: vampires pretending to be actors pretending to be vampires. At best, it is a place of trickery. At worst, it is a theater of horrors. The most disconserting thing I have found with it is that it was the backdrop to the one place Lestat found such happiness as a mortal. Quote: Which character would you have liked to have learned more about...perhaps in a book completely about their life? Nicki. 3nodding Dear, sweet, emo, batshit insane Nicki. Also, I always thought it would be neat to have a novella of sorts outlining Riccardo's life and how he viewed Marius and Amadeo and his thoughts as it all went up in flames. Quote: I'll leave the questions there until I know you've read more of the books. I've read Interview, am now done with Lestat, and have also read QotD, Armand, Blood and Gold, and the Bodythief. I'm fairly brushed up on what happens in each, so no worries about spoilers. Although, I must say, I came to the end of Lestat and went, "Wait, what? Gabrielle comes back!!? How did I miss that?" I'm absolutely clueless as to what happens in the rest of the books (which led me to be quite confused while reading part's of Armand), but I'm not positive that I even want to read them due to mixed reviews. And your responses to your own questions?
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:11 pm
And my responses to my own questions: Quote: First and foremost: Nicki. Oh my God Nicki. Do you think he and Lestat would have stayed together if they had both remained mortal? Yes. It's actually hard to judge, because you only have the situation from Lestat's viewpoint, and he seemed absolutely oblivious to any resentment from Nicki when they were mortals. I think they compliment each other fairly nicely. After all, Lestat and Louis are complete opposite, and yet they are possibly the most dynamic pair in the saga. Quote: Should Lestat have ever made him into a vampire? I'm actually really interested in your response to this question. I don't know how many details of the book you recall, but there is one part where Lestat laughs at the irony of Armand cutting off Nicki's hands, telling Gabrielle that it was inevitable. That Nicki's father had threatened to break his hands when he first began playing the violin, and now it seemed fate was fulfilling itself by having Armand cut off Nicki's hands. I agree that Nicki's state of mind even while mortal would have driven him to suicide and that it didn't matter whether he was a vampire or not. For Lestat's own sake, however, I think it would have been best if Nicki stayed mortal. Quote: Do you think he ever truly loved Lestat? It's hard to tell, because again, we only have Lestat's own viewpoint to judge. I think he loves him in the same way Louis loves him, in the same way we all love Lestat, really. Because it's unrealistic not to. Because he is unlike anything and anyone else, and because you can't take your eyes off of him. Maybe it's admiration or loathing or jealousy or love. Who can tell? Quote: Gabrielle. What the eff is her problem? Sorry, I just really don't like her character and don't think it's developed well. Your opinions? I simply think she was undeveloped as a character. She reminded me a lot of Gertrude from Hamlet. Similar name, same Oedipus complex with the son, and the same problem of having this larger-than-life main character completely enamored with a 2D character that the reader never even really gets to know. I do admire the strength Rice gives her female characters but I just wish they all weren't so . . . cold. Quote: Is she a suitable companion for Lestat? I think she's one of the few vampires that ever really challenged him or put him in his place. His love for mortals, however, means that they could never be together for long. Quote: Gabrielle and Nicki are each about to be torched. Lestat can only save one. Which do you think he would choose? There is no question in my mind that Lestat would choose Gabrielle. Who I would choose is another story completely . . . Quote: What if the options were Gabrielle, Nicki, Louis, and Armand? I agree, Louis. After all, part of the fascination he had with him was because he was so similar to Nicki, and yet . . . so much MORE than Nicki. Lestat is too distanced from Gabrielle to choose her over Louis. True, both betrayed him, but I think his bond with Louis is stronger. As for Armand, it would probably depend on what mood Lestat was in at the moment. They have a very love/I-shall-kill-you-now relationship. Quote: But in the end, was it worth it? Did Magnus do the right thing by giving Lestat immortality? Or would he have found true happiness as a mortal on Renaud's stage in Paris with Nicki? This is where I'm completely undecided. With Lestat's character, however I doubt that he could have ever settled for mere mortality however. More questions: Do you think Akasha would have ever awoken if it had not been for Lestat? Was is a miscalculation on Marius' part to tell Lestat the story of Those Who Must be Kept? Who betrayed who: Armand, when he refused to give Lestat his healing blood and flung him off the roof? Or Lestat, when Armand came to him in New Orleans, and he still refused to say he loved him?
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:09 pm
ShinobiRedScarf Some Questions of my own. Who do you think is the most vile character (purely evil or as close as that can be) in the chronicles and why? Hands down...Santiago. I cannot think of even ONE truly redeemable characteristic that he has. Infact, I think he is the only character in the entire series who is completely unrelateable in every way. I love it. Quote: Who do you think is the most complicated character and why? I think that lestat is probably my answer to this but probably because most of the books are from his view point. I also thought that david was a particularly complicated character. Quote: Do you find the Theatre des Vampires to be a cruel place, an honest place, a place of trickery...what is your opinion of it? I actually think of it as all of the above. At times I think there is an honesty to it but only if you look behind that really thick veil of trickery. It is complicated. I was really interested in seeing how other people thought of it. Quote: Which character would you have liked to have learned more about...perhaps in a book completely about their life? Santiago. I have always found him really facinating even though he was such a small character. Infact, he is a personal favorite just because I feel that he is the only character at all that seems so completely vile. I've always wanted to know why exactly he was the only character like that and I have always hoped for a story where he plays a bigger part. I guess it is better that it didn't happen though since giving him more of a story would complicate his character and he would no longer be that which interested me in the first place.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:21 pm
Quote: More questions: Do you think Akasha would have ever awoken if it had not been for Lestat? I think eventually it would have happened...but only because I doubt that Lestat was the only vampire with his brat prince type attitute. Surely another character with a similar attitude would have had a similar experience. It was only too perfect that it was Lestat though. Quote: Was is a miscalculation on Marius' part to tell Lestat the story of Those Who Must be Kept? It has been awhile since I have read the books (and I'm going to start re-reading them actually) but wasn't there a time when even Marius wanted them destroyed? I've always thought that this is part of what motivated him to divulge the secret in the first place. I've always thought that he wanted something horrid happen and was just trying to play Lestat's strings into making it come about. Then again, I have always thought of marius as a far more treacherous and manipulative character than most other people take him to be. Quote: Who betrayed who: Armand, when he refused to give Lestat his healing blood and flung him off the roof? Or Lestat, when Armand came to him in New Orleans, and he still refused to say he loved him? hah, I have completely forgotten both events...probably because I have always disliked Armand as a character. I find him very annoying and overwhelmingly dull. For example...I didn't read through The Vampire Armand...I suffered through it. I've noticed that the things I tend to forget about the books seem to center around him.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:29 pm
Since I don't have much time (it's late and a school night xD), I'll comment on this: Quote: "Who betrayed who: Armand, when he refused to give Lestat his healing blood and flung him off the roof? Or Lestat, when Armand came to him in New Orleans, and he still refused to say he loved him?" In my opinion, flinging someone off a roof when they're injured/hurt/etc. kind of outdoes refusing to say you love someone in the Betrayal catagorey. *yes I've read the books so I know which events you're talking about* Just saying. Night. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:18 am
Next weekend I'm going to be visiting family and I hope to pick up all my Rice books while I am there.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:47 pm
Quote: Which character would you have liked to have learned more about...perhaps in a book completely about their life? Definately Nicki. He was simply there. He was from the same place as Lestat, buthad other experiences we know nothing of. He was the prequel to Louis, and I would want to hear his story to sort of grasp the character of Lestat better. A person says a lot about themself by the people they surround themselves with. Although I tend to dislike Lestat, I am curious. I want to know how his companions compare. I want to know what life was like for Nicki. What was his opinion on the world? Was it music, art? A savage garden? Was it dark and cruel? Logical? What sparks of color might he have seen? How did he feel towards the one who had hurt him? Brought him to Paris? What about his hands? What, exactly, was the line where he broke completely? And finally, was he there, was he existent within the darkness, or merely a part of it? We don't know enough. Simple as that.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:19 pm
I can see why you would chose Nicki. I think a book told from his perspective would have been a rather interesting read. It would kind of be a story about the progression into madness...and who wouldn't be interested in reading that? Also, you are completely right about the people you surround yourself with giving a look into your own character.
On a related note, I think that a book entirely about Magnus would have been interesting for a similar reason (the decent into madness).
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:58 pm
So, I did actually go and get my books from my former home and have now finished re-reading both Interview and Lestat. Now I have more of an opinion on a question that was asked earlier.
"Who betrayed who: Armand, when he refused to give Lestat his healing blood and flung him off the roof? Or Lestat, when Armand came to him in New Orleans, and he still refused to say he loved him?"
I don't think either one really bares more of the blame than the other. You have to remember that Lestat denied Armand even before the roof incident before he (Lestat) and Gabriel left Paris. As usual, Lestat kind of orchestrated all these events as they are directly caused by desicions and actions on his part but even in saying that it doesn't clear Armand of his actions...which were childish, spiteful, and quite selfish.
You know, I did NOT remember Armand as such a nasty little brat (which is what I found him to be upon re-reading through The Vampire Lestat). I remembered him as this dull space filler that never even brought about any emotion from me.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:42 pm
Quote: Which character would you have liked to have learned more about...perhaps in a book completely about their life? Nicolas, hands down. I would love to see a book about his life, when he first left to study in Paris. His life there at the University. I'd love to see what made him in love with the violin, was it Mozart himself that made him love it? I'd love to see his relationship with his father slowly crumble over him abandoning his studies. I'd love to learn what truly made him so cynical, what events made him have so little faith in mankind? I'd love to see his side of things, how he felt about Lestat, and their relationship. I'd love to see what Nicki was thinking when he became a vampire, too. Why he had gone mad. It would just make a fantastic book.
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:38 pm
Coconono First and foremost: Nicki. Oh my God Nicki. Do you think he and Lestat would have stayed together if they had both remained mortal? More then likely, Lestat was in love with.Coconono Should Lestat have ever made him into a vampire? No. It ended badly and he was unstable to before they ever came to Paris.Coconono Do you think he ever truly loved Lestat?? Yes and no. I think he was insaneCoconono Gabrielle. What the eff is her problem? Sorry, I just really don't like her character and don't think it's developed well. Your opinions?? I like Gabrielle. I think that she was a woman ahead of her time in that she thought that she should be treated as a man's equal. I also think she and Indiana jones would get along swimmingly.Coconono Is she a suitable companion for Lestat? ? No. Lestat is the type of person who needs alot of attetion.Coconono Gabrielle and Nicki are each about to be torched. Lestat can only save one. Which do you think he would choose? ? Gabrielle. She is his mom after all.Coconono What if the options were Gabrielle, Nicki, Louis, and Armand?? I think he would throw Armand into the fire himself and save Louis.
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:50 pm
ShinobiRedScarf ShinobiRedScarf Who do you think is the most vile character (purely evil or as close as that can be) in the chronicles and why? Akasha. I think she is the Hitler of vampires.
ShinobiRedScarf Who do you think is the most complicated character and why? Marius, After I read Blood and Gold I'm very confused about him. ShinobiRedScarf Do you find the Theatre des Vampires to be a cruel place, an honest place, a place of trickery...what is your opinion of it? The Theatre des Vampires scares me. It is a place of darkness and little hope. ShinobiRedScarf Which character would you have liked to have learned more about...perhaps in a book completely about their life? I would like to have another book about Louis. Don't get me wrong I love Lestat, I would just like to hear more about the sad little vampire who started it all.
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