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 Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:14 am
We have been discussing the 'Goodness of God' in my philosophy class, and we have been coming up with ideas about why God would let bad things happen to people and if he really is Benevolent and the omni's and why he would let this happen.
And I thought that maybe in the Genesis story, that it isn't seven days, but seven stages/ periods of time, and we're currently in the seventh stage/period where God is resting.
What are your views on the 'Problem of evil'?
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:24 am
J I've been in Catholic Private school's since I was 5 and after 18 or so years in private school, I have never ever heard anyone interpret the Genesis story as you have. I got to say when i read what you post, that left me a lot to think about.
For me, I believe God is always around, it's just up to us to see it. I mean by all means my view on religion these days is scarce. I stopped going to church for over a year now, but there are some things in this world we just can't explain. I mean you have people who talk about daily miracles, and yes in our world today, there is more evil then there is good, but that doesn't mean God is absent. I think in our day and age the saying truly has meaning:
Evil wins when Good Men do Nothing.
No for those who are atheistic, I mean we can say God doesn't exist, but we do exist. So it is up to us to care for each other, and even if it seems, that evil is always wining, that doesn't mean we stop trying to do good.
Just live your life to the best of your abilities and live your life honestly and fully, and eventually you'll find, whatever is out there.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:01 pm
Heh nice opinions you have. I'm atheistic so i dont believe any god. I just believe myself and i dont nead any author to control my life or my opinions. cool
I think that evil exist becourse people are evil. People dont think that there is another option than wars. Or people are just so stupid that they dont know how to do thing another way.
So that problem is humans. If peole can do decisions equally, there would be less bad thing. Of couse some people have psychological and fysical problems so they are own subject. But there will be always evil and good, so we just have to live with that.
Always can be lesser bad things, we just have to do something for it. If there wouldnt be any evilness, we wouldnt know, what goodness would be like. twisted
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:33 pm
I believe there are many gods, one for everything in the world we live in. My belief is that evil is inside of everyone and it is our own choice as humans whether to act on that evil or to ignore it and not give it a voice. I think some people are more easily influenced by that evil, mainly through others hurting them when they are younger, which influences them more easily.
We discussed something similar to this in a religious education class I had a few years ago, and my view then was that life is kind of like a chess game, you can make some wrong decisions and some good, and you have to think a few moves ahead in your life.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:56 pm
Whatever brings you comfort in your pragmatism paco..
Your idols are falling.. and these numerous new interpretations are just to ensure that your beliefs aren't crushed by them.
.. and just to justify my repudiation ..
I went to private Lutheran school
I was a son of the schism
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:02 pm
Dieonysos Whatever brings you comfort in your pragmatism paco.. Your idols are falling.. and these numerous new interpretations are just to ensure that your beliefs aren't crushed by them. .. and just to justify my repudiation .. I went to private Lutheran school I was a son of the schism Yeah yeah... take it easy and look up The Problem of Pain by C.S. Lewis... should satisfy your idle curiosity cap!
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:00 pm
Quote: I believe there are many gods, one for everything in the world we live in. My belief is that evil is inside of everyone and it is our own choice as humans whether to act on that evil or to ignore it and not give it a voice. I think some people are more easily influenced by that evil, mainly through others hurting them when they are younger, which influences them more easily. In regards to this idea I do feel that there is some truth to it. Last night I was dealing with a situation where someone had been put down and belittled by his father his whole life until this years visit to his fathers and he had been pushed and pushed and pushed to the point that he was so furious he unleashed his anger (evil) on to his father. Everything was fine they where seperated, but everything this guy had worked for to turn away from that bad influences had been just thrown away in a matter of seconds because of choices he chose to make by another "evil" influence. I refer to them as inner demons, same thing I guess, but the point is it is all choice.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:07 am
Somthing slightly connected to this thread
God is punishing us
We where supposed to perfection made in his imige
he failed
we are mistakes
he is trying to destroy us
but we spread too quickly
we are a desisies on the world
we are the only real evil
god made us in his imige
so he must be imperfect
that is my opinion
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:02 am
The problem of evil is that it's necessary. It's one of the many awful realizations I've had concerning it. Evil is part of Good and Good is part of Evil. It's too black and white for them to be two separate pillars of stone. Both of them help define each other. I am very much in the opinion that without evil there can be no good.
When things happen to us, we usually blame ourselves or blame others. It can be that simple, but sometimes there just isn't a reason and you can either come out a better, stronger person, or let it take you down with it. Evil can be overcome, because Good is ultimately stronger. You have to believe in Good in order to overcome Evil.
I'm sounding religious. It's my coffee talking. But I still hold to what I say wink
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:51 pm
cabbage521 ...heard anyone interpret the Genesis story as you have. I got to say when i read what you post, that left me a lot to think about. For me, I believe God is always around, it's just up to us to see it... I mean you have people who talk about daily miracles, and yes in our world today, there is more evil then there is good, but that doesn't mean God is absent. I think in our day and age the saying truly has meaning: Evil wins when Good Men do Nothing. No for those who are atheistic, I mean we can say God doesn't exist, but we do exist. So it is up to us to care for each other, and even if it seems, that evil is always wining, that doesn't mean we stop trying to do good. Just live your life to the best of your abilities and live your life honestly and fully, and eventually you'll find, whatever is out there. Amen to that. You've just summed up my beliefs there too, Cabbage.
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:46 pm
TheMitmit The problem of evil is that it's necessary. It's one of the many awful realizations I've had concerning it. Evil is part of Good and Good is part of Evil. It's too black and white for them to be two separate pillars of stone. Both of them help define each other. I am very much in the opinion that without evil there can be no good. When things happen to us, we usually blame ourselves or blame others. It can be that simple, but sometimes there just isn't a reason and you can either come out a better, stronger person, or let it take you down with it. Evil can be overcome, because Good is ultimately stronger. You have to believe in Good in order to overcome Evil. I'm sounding religious. It's my coffee talking. But I still hold to what I say wink I agree.. good and evil are man-made without one the other would cease to exist It is about seeing beyond good and evil and making judgments based on more humanistic ideals
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:37 pm
Without at least some problems and complications, life would become dull, and life would cease to exist. Humans tend to need something to strive for to live life to its fullest.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:23 pm
I seem to remember hearing a sermon on this topic a year or so ago, and it brought up an interesting point. The scientific definition of darkness is the absence of light. The definition of of cold is the absence of heat. Couldn't the definition of "evil" be the absence of God in people's thoughts or actions?
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:24 am
personally i think all you need is faith in yourself and those around you. I don't follow any church dogma of any sort, I go by what i believe was orginally intended for christianity that you can find it within yourself. I know that something guides us along in life towards a destiny and it's our choice to follow, I call it fate and believe it is sentient. Good and evil are point of views in the end.
Take 9/11 we think the middle east are a bunch of evil psychos in the medieval times. Whereas we screwed with every economy they had, everytime one of their nations got powerful we destroyed, and played them against each other and this is all known. So who is evil in the end?
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:04 pm
I personally believe that when a baby is born, he or she is neither bad or good, but I guess kind of starts like a clean slate. Whatever the baby is exposed to as a child shapes how good or evil it will turn out. For example, people with a lot of love and caring in their lives are happier and as a result happier than those whose childhoods have been full of cold-heartedness and sad experiences. It seems to me like personalities are partly shaped by experiences a person has in their life... if any of that made much sense...
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