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undacuva_druid

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:30 am


I'm a druid and when it comes to some of my rituals I don't know what to do.

My problem: Druidry was started in the Northern Hemisphere (England, Ireland... etc.) And is currently pretty highly practiced in America but I've not yet met any druids in WA. The rituals are based around the seasons so I must practice them at the opposite times in the year to coincide with my climate.
For some of our rituals it is suggested we use a certain type of plant as a focus/offering/emblem but I can't get a hold of the Northern Hemisphere (not to mention different climate) plants and probably shouldn't even try considering my entire "spirituality" (I'm hesitant to use the word religion) is about adapting to the land around you.

It's an obscure request but if anyone has information on WA plants that resemble or are similar in function/lineage to:
-evergreen (I have used Bottlebrush but it's a poor substitute)
-mistletoe (especially hard to come by when it isn't Christmas time... it would be for those celebrating this holiday in the Northern Hemisphere)
-hawthorn or
-vervain
it would be greatly appreciated!!! I figure being a plant based guild someone might know something about it... sweatdrop
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:43 am


This may be an odd question to ask, but as I am not very familiar with the practices of Druids I think I better ask: what is it about the plants that you listed that makes it important? I don't mean what is the ritual. I mean is it a property of the specific plant? Evergreen...do you require something with needles? Are you looking for look-alikes or something actually related? I'm sorry if I seem dim. I'm just not sure what you would consider a substitute.

Fern Alli
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:29 am


I suspect you'll want to delve into Aboriginal lore and practices to make use of the local flora and seasons...
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:30 pm


Fern Alli
This may be an odd question to ask, but as I am not very familiar with the practices of Druids I think I better ask: what is it about the plants that you listed that makes it important? I don't mean what is the ritual. I mean is it a property of the specific plant? Evergreen...do you require something with needles? Are you looking for look-alikes or something actually related? I'm sorry if I seem dim. I'm just not sure what you would consider a substitute.

No it's not syupid I should have said in the original post...

Properties/Symbolism? Well it's different for each.
-Evergreen, I assume represents anything that stays green all year because the ceremony is about new life coming after winter (which encompasses most Australian plants so I'd be looking for a species with some kind of common lineage with the original evergreen species, pines conifers...)
-Mistletoe, I assume it's used because of it's association with xmas and the holy day's connection with xmas... I'd use an Australian plant that flowers at xmas time if I wasn't performing the ritual mid year due to the seasons... maybe I could use a winter-flowering plant... :/
-Hawthorn, apparently it's a symbol of blessing and purity. The celebration itself is about the triumph and peak of Spring.
-Vervain, the healing plant of the ancient druids. I'm thinking an aboriginal medicinal plant might be useful for this. (Does anyone know where I can find out about this?)


And Aboriginal lore-delving would be useful if I knew where to look sad I don't know any aboriginals still in touch with their roots enough to know these things and I don't know of any good books/sites...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:47 am


I looked at a database for WA plants and I found some that you might want to consider

Evergreen:
Family Cupressaceae: the Cypress
Genera:Actinostrobus and Callitris
Family Podocarpaceae: Yellow wood
Genus: Podocarpus
*These trees are related to pines and still have a "needly" look to them.*


Mistletoe
Family Santalaceae is the mistletoe family
Genus: Santalum: sandal wood
*This is the closest looking to actual mistletoe in the same family that can be found in WA.*

*The plants in this family(below) have the same habits as mistletoe but are not really related. Some look close to mistletoe*
Loranthaceae
-Amyema, Decaisnina, Dendrophthoe, Diplatia, Lysiana
-Nuytsia floribunda (Australian Christmas Tree)


Obviously I don't know what area you are in but hopefully some of these plants are more available to you! 3nodding
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:01 am


Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou!!! That is helpful! May I ask about the database you found?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:09 pm


I used this site:FloraBase
Most of it you can access without having to log in.

I haven't looked for Hawthorn and Vervain yet, but they might be a bit harder since hawthorn has a very specific symbolism. But I'll look around and perhaps find some possibilities!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:28 pm


Well, I'm stumped. Hawthorn belongs to the family Rosaceae which contains a huge number of plants (most of the fruits you can think of...raspberries to apricots). There don't seem to be any closer relations in WA. You may have to just resort to some look alike. There are no suggestions for substitutions on any of the herbal sites that I have found.

Vervain (Verbena) isn't any better. Though the FloralBase site suggests that there are a few species found in the WA, they are not native plants. Again, I have found no suggestions for substitution.

Hmm... I'll think.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:39 am


Wow! Thankyou so much!!! You've been such great help. Yeah I was given the link to Florabase once before but for some reason it wouldn't work for me! It seems it still won't > sad I have no idea why...

I think for the other two I will need to research Aboriginal lore... If I hear of/find something I will post it here just in case (though I highly doubt!!!) there are any others with the same problem...
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:07 am


How strange that it won't work for you. sad Is it asking for a login? I'm afraid that is the one that I used the most. If all else fails, try using Wikipedia or some similar site to find the scientific name of the plant and then you can search by family etc. That might help.

If you do find out anything about the other two...by all means...post it. We would love to add the knowledge to the library section! 3nodding

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:46 am


Hmmm... yeah... I tried Wikipedia for Hawthorn and it didn't help much... Florabase just won't load for me... I don't know why but it just continues loading forever without anything appearing on screen... confused
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:13 am


Check out the Healing Secrets of Aboriginal Bush Medicine website: http://www.bri.net.au/medicine.html

A likely more in-depth look at Aboriginal plant use: http://www.anbg.gov.au/aborig.s.e.aust/index.html

This history of biomedicine page may also be helpful: http://www.mic.ki.se/Indig.html

Sandalwood mentioned by Tum-thalas should be excellent for rituals since it is extensively used in perfumes and incenses in Asia (I've found that sandalwood-scented incense to be among my favorite and it is common in the stores).

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:25 am


Proxy5
Check out the Healing Secrets of Aboriginal Bush Medicine website: http://www.bri.net.au/medicine.html

A likely more in-depth look at Aboriginal plant use: http://www.anbg.gov.au/aborig.s.e.aust/index.html

This history of biomedicine page may also be helpful: http://www.mic.ki.se/Indig.html

Sandalwood mentioned by Tum-thalas should be excellent for rituals since it is extensively used in perfumes and incenses in Asia (I've found that sandalwood-scented incense to be among my favorite and it is common in the stores).

Thankyou! I found the first site most helpful! I'm thinking lemon grass will be pretty good because it seems it had many different medicinal uses and it is relatively easy to get a hold of down here biggrin
And the incense I use for my rituals is Sandalwood haha! It's my favourite scent too razz
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