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 Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:33 pm
this exercise I had in my (aptly titled) BS class.
Jealous Baron tells his wife, the baroness, "Stay in the castle while I am gone, or I will punish you severely." So goes some place for some reason, and she leaves to go to her lover's house. She spends several enjoyable hours with him and attempts to return to her castle. When she gets to teh drawbridge (btw there's a moat that one can't swim across), she notices a madman with a knife. He says something like "attempt to cross this bridge and I'll slay you." So she runs back to the lover begging for help. He kicks her out, saying "our relationship is strictly romantic." so she finds a boatman to take her across the bridge, explains her plight, and that she is currently devoid of any form of payment. He denies her. She runs to a friend's house to beg for cash for the boatman, but the friend rejects her. So, since she's pretty sure the baron will return soon, she takes her chances and runs across the bridge, where the madman, naturally, kills her.
Rank the characters in order of how responsible they are for her death.
In order of appearance, they are:
The baron.
The baroness.
The madman.
The lover.
The boatman.
The friend.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:51 pm
Madman
Baroness
Baron
Lover
Boatman
Friend
That's my first thought, but I can see some different answers too.
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:08 pm
Mad man
Baron
Baroness
Lover
Friend
Boat man
~The mad man was sthe one who actually killed her.
~Had the Baron not threaten to severly punish her she could've taken her time and found a different way to get back to the castle.
~She disobeyed her husband by leaving. But had the threat of punishment not been imposed, she wouldn't need to hurry.
~The lover just was just an a**.
~Her friend wasn't very generous,
~But the boatman has to make a living, therefore not much blame could be put on him for charging.
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:27 pm
[fi]ona
Mad man
Baron
Baroness
Lover
Friend
Boat man
~The mad man was sthe one who actually killed her.
~Had the Baron not threaten to severly punish her she could've taken her time and found a different way to get back to the castle.
~She disobeyed her husband by leaving. But had the threat of punishment not been imposed, she wouldn't need to hurry.
~The lover just was just an a**.
~Her friend wasn't very generous,
~But the boatman has to make a living, therefore not much blame could be put on him for charging.
Yeah, yours seems better.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:37 pm
Koravin [fi]ona
Mad man
Baron
Baroness
Lover
Friend
Boat man
~The mad man was sthe one who actually killed her.
~Had the Baron not threaten to severly punish her she could've taken her time and found a different way to get back to the castle.
~She disobeyed her husband by leaving. But had the threat of punishment not been imposed, she wouldn't need to hurry.
~The lover just was just an a**.
~Her friend wasn't very generous,
~But the boatman has to make a living, therefore not much blame could be put on him for charging.
Yeah, yours seems better. Thanks.
^_^
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:06 am
I'm very happy none of you put baron first. I'm also very happy you all put madman first. In the class where this was proposed to us, we had people saying that the madman was less responsible than the baroness since he warned her.
However, one thing. I want to insist that the baron should be last, since he's the only one that took any measures that would keep her safe. "Hay I'm leaving. While I can't keep an eye on you with my army or police or whatever, stay here where I know you'll be safe." Granted, it's likely that his first priority was to keep her away from this "lover", but he's still keeping her safe.
The friend, though, I have to mention. If said friend didn't say anything to the effect of "I don't have the money on hand to get you across" then I could understand, but as it stands it looks like this friend just wasn't willing to give a loan to someone who obviously has the income to repay said loan.
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:21 am
I disagree with the Baron point. She would not have tried so hard to get back into the castle if the Baron hadn't threatened to kill her if she left. She probably would have spent the night at her friends, or perhaps her lover's. The Baroness's desperation to not be murdered by the Baron is what drove her to face the madman.
Argh, your class is hardcore into blame the victim, aren't they?
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:52 pm
The only way the baron could be blamed for her death is if he knew there would be a murderer on the bridge. Without that expressly stated, we cannot make that assumption.
Blame the victim? Bullshit. She made a few bad decisions. If she wanted to live, she could have just said "well ******** it time to start a new life" and ran away. This is why she's at fault for her own death.
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:45 pm
No, she took her chances hoping to survive her encounter with the madman, at least get past him into the castle. That doesn't make her responsible for her own death.
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:54 pm
Ah, I wasn't sure if the madman was put there by the baron...
I'd go with:
Madman
Baron
Lover
Friend/Boatman
Baroness
The friend's ranking depends on whether or not the baroness explained why she needed the money. Assuming she did, I'd rank the friend more responsible than the boatman, who we can assume would have taken her across had she had the money.
The baroness can't really be responsible, since we can't assume she was expecting to be punished with death for leaving.
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:38 pm
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I think that perhaps the one with the most blame is the Baroness, followed by the madman. I don't really think any of the others have much blame, as they didn't really know the situation.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:46 am
Boatman-because if he lived that close to the estate he'd know who she was and he would definitely receive good compensation from her later on
Lover-because she told him about a madman and he refused to help her
Baroness-because she left the castle and let the madman get there
Madman-becuase he killed her
Friend-because she didn't pay for the boatman
Baron- Because he married a cheater
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:44 am
99luftbalons ---------------------------------------
I think that perhaps the one with the most blame is the Baroness, followed by the madman. I don't really think any of the others have much blame, as they didn't really know the situation.
--------------------------------------- The Baroness did not kill herself, the madman killed her. It is directly the fault of the madman that she died.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:45 am
Takeshi_Enkou Boatman-because if he lived that close to the estate he'd know who she was and he would definitely receive good compensation from her later on Lover-because she told him about a madman and he refused to help her Baroness-because she left the castle and let the madman get there Madman-becuase he killed her Friend-because she didn't pay for the boatman Baron- Because he married a cheater That's pretty screwed up. You have madman down for killing her, yet he's not the most responsible?
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:43 pm
the boreness is actually least responceibe. it you say its a alagory for minorities
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