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P2P usage in Colleges is apparently "srs buisness".

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Mr. Awesome!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:38 pm


Quote:
CNET

New federal legislation says universities must agree to provide not just deterrents but also "alternatives" to peer-to-peer piracy, such as paying monthly subscription fees to the music industry for their students, on penalty of losing all financial aid for their students.

The U.S. House of Representatives bill (PDF), which was introduced late Friday by top Democratic politicians, could give the movie and music industries a new revenue stream by pressuring schools into signing up for monthly subscription services such as Ruckus and Napster. Ruckus is advertising-supported, and Napster charges a monthly fee per student.

The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) applauded the proposal, which is embedded in a 747-page spending and financial aid bill. "We very much support the language in the bill, which requires universities to provide evidence that they have a plan for implementing a technology to address illegal file sharing," said Angela Martinez, a spokeswoman for the MPAA.

According to the bill, if universities did not agree to test "technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity," all of their students--even ones who don't own a computer--would lose federal financial aid.

The prospect of losing a combined total of nearly $100 billion a year in federal financial aid, coupled with the possibility of overzealous copyright-bots limiting the sharing of legitimate content, has alarmed university officials.

"Such an extraordinarily inappropriate and punitive outcome would result in all students on that campus losing their federal financial aid--including Pell grants and student loans that are essential to their ability to attend college, advance their education, and acquire the skills necessary to compete in the 21st-century economy," a letter from university officials to Congress written on Wednesday said. "Lower-income students, those most in need of federal financial aid, would be harmed most under the entertainment industry's proposal."

The letter was signed by the chancellor of the University of Maryland system, the president of Stanford University, the general counsel of Yale University, and the president of Penn State.

They stress that the "higher education community recognizes the seriousness of the problem of illegal peer-to-peer file sharing and has long been committed to working with the entertainment industry to find a workable solution to the problem." In addition, the letter says that colleges and universities are responsible for "only a small fraction of illegal file sharing."

The MPAA says the university presidents are overreacting. An MPAA representative sent CNET News.com a list of campuses that have begun filtering files transferred on their networks, including the University of Florida (Red Lambda technology); the University of Utah (network monitoring and Audible Magic); and Ohio's Wittenberg University (Audible Magic).

For each school taking such steps, the MPAA says, copyright complaints dramatically decreased, in some cases going from 50 a month to none.

The MPAA's Martinez did warn that the consequences of violating the proposed rules would be stiff: "Because it is added to the current reporting requirements that universities already have through the Secretary of Education, it would have the same penalties for noncompliance as any of the others requirements under current law."

Neither the Recording Industry Association of America nor the Association of American Universities was available for comment on Friday.

Expanding on an earlier anti-P2P plan
The two Democratic politicians behind Friday's bill are Reps. George Miller from California and Ruben Hinojosa of Texas. Miller is chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee and Hinojosa is chairman of the higher education subcommittee.

They said in a press release that the legislation, called the College Opportunity and Affordability Act, or COAA, will be voted on by the full committee next week.

The peer-to-peer sections of COAA appear to be a revision of an amendment originally proposed over the summer by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to his chamber's sweeping higher education reauthorization bill.

Groups like the American Association of Universities and Educause attacked Reid's proposal at the time, saying it was incredibly worrisome because it would have yanked federal grants and loans from students who attend schools that don't do enough to prevent illegal file sharing.
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The old language over the summer required schools to develop "a plan for implementing a technology-based deterrent to prevent the illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property." The new language requires "a plan for offering alternatives to illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property as well as a plan to explore technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity."

Reid's bill also would have required the Secretary of Education to devise a list of the 25 schools with the highest levels of illegal peer-to-peer file sharing, based on entertainment industry statistics. That's not in the new COAA legislation.

On the Senate side, after universities raised a fuss, the contentious amendment was eventually diluted to a requirement that higher education institutions merely advise their students, in writing, of the legal consequences of "unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material" and what steps the school was taking to combat such activities.


I'm glad I decided not to go to College.
This is some serious bull s**t.
As if even without the profits they would have earned from all the illegal pirated materials wasn't enough.
These ******** are making so much money already, and they're still complaining.


Yer thoughts?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:51 pm


My thoughts: I should be delivered a share of the profits because I actually bought a Metallica CD in the 90's. Therefore, I believe myself to be the primary shareholder. PROFITS PLEASE.

But seriously, here's the way I view it; the internet isn't really so much in sales in many cases as it is for spreading the word of it. I guarantee you, a majority of the people who have even listened to music do it track- by- track, just like it's over the radio, unless you have one of those truly "dedicated" pirates. The only difference is that they have to pay for the radio. In my opinion, they're trying to get money for free advertising. Like I said, I personally never really download an entire album, but just individual songs so I know which albums to pick up. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to get the lyrics and whatnot from the songbook in the CD case.

So, to put it simply: Lars Ulrich is an a**. A greedy, 50-car-garage carrying a**. (Translation: The man basically craps out a corvette every day. Yup. Major profit loss, or else that would be a lambergini.)

Arson Hiroha


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Crew

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:41 am


Hold up a second.

In the very first paragraph, it says that the offending University will lose ALL financial aid for their students. Would that even affect most private schools? It sounds like it's the students who are being penalized for noncompliance by Universities.

That's pretty ******** up.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:09 am


Did you all see what Warner Music just said?

Quote:
S-S-SOURCE!


The boss of Warner Music has made a rare public confession that the music industry has to take some of the blame for the rise of p2p file sharing.

Speaking at the GSMA Mobile Asia Congress in Macau, Edgar Bronfman told mobile operators that they must not make the same mistake that the music industry made.

"We used to fool ourselves,' he said. "We used to think our content was perfect just exactly as it was. We expected our business would remain blissfully unaffected even as the world of interactivity, constant connection and file sharing was exploding. And of course we were wrong. How were we wrong? By standing still or moving at a glacial pace, we inadvertently went to war with consumers by denying them what they wanted and could otherwise find and as a result of course, consumers won."

Mobile operators risk the same, he said. Fewer than 10% of mobile owners buy music on their handset, the vast majority of which is ringtones.

"The sad truth is that most of what consumers are being offered today on the mobile platform is boring, banal and basic," he said. "People want a more interesting form of mobile music content. They want it to be easy to buy with a single click - yes, a single click, not a dozen. And they want access to it, quickly and easily, wherever they are. 24/7. Any player in the mobile value chain who thinks they can provide less than a great experience for consumers and remain competitive is fooling themselves."

Bronfman suggested that mobile companies have much to learn from Apple, despite being critical of and iTunes in the past.

"For years now, Warner Music has been offering a choice to consumers at Apple's iTunes store the option to purchase something more than just single tracks, which constitute the mainstay of that store's sales," he explained. "By packaging a full album into a bundle of music with ringtones, videos and other combinations and variation we found products that consumers demonstrably valued and were willing to purchase at premium prices. And guess what? We've sold tons of them. And with Apple's co-operation to make discovering, accessing and purchasing these products even more seamless and intuitive, we'll be offering many, many more of these products going forward."

And the iPhone and iPod touch shows that approach can be made to work on mobile platforms, he said,

"You need to look no further than Apple's iPhone to see how fast brilliantly written software presented on a beautifully designed device with a spectacular user interface will throw all the accepted notions about pricing, billing platforms and brand loyalty right out the window. And let me remind you, the genesis of the iPhone is the iPod and iTunes - a music device and music service that consumers love."

Bronfman appears to be experiencing an epiphany when it comes to digital music. From threatening to withdraw from iTunes and suggesting that to drop DRM would be "without logic or merit", he is now heaping praising on Apple and recently opened a DRM-free section on Warner's own Classics and Jazz music store.


Is the whole music world being tossed around?
I can't see WM being honest, I think they have something hidden.
Seriously now.

Mr. Awesome!

Married Elder


puspexey

PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:53 pm


D;

over here the government doesnt care about people downloading music

so i have a lot.


around 70 gbs lol


except i have a sucky connection
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:20 am


I would shoot my self if I was downloading music with a sucky connection.

That is, if by sucky connection you mean dial-up.
Otherwise it ain't THAT bad...

Mr. Awesome!

Married Elder


Arson Hiroha

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:37 pm


Mr. Awesome!
I would shoot my self if I was downloading music with a sucky connection.

That is, if by sucky connection you mean dial-up.
Otherwise it ain't THAT bad...

Dude, don't remind me... I used to have dial- up for about 4 years...

I'll never get back those days of downloading.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:39 pm


Arson Hiroha
Mr. Awesome!
I would shoot my self if I was downloading music with a sucky connection.

That is, if by sucky connection you mean dial-up.
Otherwise it ain't THAT bad...

Dude, don't remind me... I used to have dial- up for about 4 years...

I'll never get back those days of downloading.

I've been there.
I used to think dial-up was fast when I first got the internet.
Lololz.

Mr. Awesome!

Married Elder


3Lph

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:37 pm


vrrrr EEEEE chkachkachkach EEEEE vrrrrr EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE kskssks.

Most annoying part of dial-up.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:08 am


3Lph
vrrrr EEEEE chkachkachkach EEEEE vrrrrr EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE kskssks.

Most annoying part of dial-up.


Really?
I thought that was second to getting phone calls and being disconnected because of it.

Mr. Awesome!

Married Elder


3Lph

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:10 am


oh man, i didn't even remember that actually. ******** dial-up.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:13 pm


Oh man.
Ctrl + Alt + Del is pretty funny.
I think I read the whole first season of it when I first discovered it.

Mr. Awesome!

Married Elder


Arson Hiroha

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:25 pm


Lol, yeah, it's pretty good. Lost me after the strip about him going to LOTR 10 times though. lol
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:26 am


Famicommie
Hold up a second.

In the very first paragraph, it says that the offending University will lose ALL financial aid for their students. Would that even affect most private schools? It sounds like it's the students who are being penalized for noncompliance by Universities.

That's pretty ******** up.


students at most private colleges rely heavily on financial aid.

that is the way the government controls higher ed; do what they say, or they hurt the students.

it's like a hostage taking situation.

one college that refused to allow federal student aid, and made up the difference entirely with private scholarships, was Grove City College in Pennsylvania, owned by the Pew family who own Sunoco.

they are free from all federal control.

they practice nondiscrimination, but because they want to, not because of some mandate.

chessiejo

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