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These are the links I told you about in the last post. Warning there are three parts and the translations are hard to read a lot of the times. But I understand the general topics and answers they were giving. Now for
"Inside Iran's Secret gay World."

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAzMuHyg8Eg

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QMcfSuJkMo

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUZiMCsNNcQ

- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Well he does have a tendency to distort the truth to cover up what he doesn't want others to know about. It is fortunate at least he holds no real power.

However I think it holds true that homosexuals do not do well in any country where religion is taken seriously. I think it is a confusion over dealing with one who 'sins'; even if you agree it is such I do not really believe anyone has the right to judge. Well that's mostly opinion- but when people start judging each other over one thing, it leads to another, and another, and soon you find conflict.

..... stare i resent that very much thank. The homosexuals are getting beaten, raped, hung, tortured...and all you can think about is them ruining the good name of Iran. Is Iran being tortured? NOOOO. Is Iran being beaten...maybe ..but not from homosexuals!!

well the people who are beating them are Islamic. Actually...it's the government who is doing all the torturing. I don't think anything you do, besides murder, should get you to be killed. Especially if your loving. This world needs all the love it can get.

"What does Islam say regarding sex between married people?"

Islam says that mirriage should only occur in hetrosexual couples, and this is because God created us so that we can procreate. In the Western society mirriage is only done for purposes of love and lust in most cases.....even though the Abrahamic religions have the same mirriage views.

The Holy Prophet (peace and blessing of Allah be on him) said:

"Marriage is my precept and my practice. Those who do not follow my practice are not of me."

And

"When a man has married, he has completed one half of his religion."

Purpose of Mirriage:
1. To enable a man and a woman to live together and experience love and happiness, within Islamic law.

2. To produce children, and provide a stable and righteous environment for their upbringing.

3. To provide a legal union which safeguards society from moral and social degradation.



How is the story of Adam and Eve interpreted?

(taken from article on: http://www.alislam.org/library/books/christianity_facts_to_fiction/chapter_2.html)

Firstly, we have the idea that because Adam and Eve sinned, so their progeny became genetically and eternally polluted with sin. In contrast to this, the science of genetics reveals that human thoughts and actions, be they good or bad, even if persistently adhered to during the entire lifetime of a person, cannot be transferred to and encoded into the genetic system of human reproduction. A lifespan is too short a period to play any role in bringing about such profound changes. Even the vices of a people, generation after generation, or good deeds for that matter, cannot be transferred to the progeny as genetic characters. Perhaps millions of years are required for etching human genes with new characteristics.

Not only this, even if by a most absurd and unacceptable extension of one’s imagination one could conceive of such a bizarre happening, the contrary will have to be accepted by the same logic. This would mean that if a sinful person repented and came out clean at the end of the day, then that act should also be recorded in the genetic system; effectively cancelling out the effect of the previous sin. Scientifically this may not happen, but certainly there is far more logic in this balanced picture than imagining that it is only the propensity to sin which can be genetically encoded and not the disposition to do good.

Secondly, by attempting to resolve the problem of Adam by proposing that sin is genetically transferred to the future generations of Adam, all that has been achieved is the total demolition of the very foundation on which the Christian doctrine of ‘Sin and Atonement’ is based. If God is absolutely Just, then where is the sense of justice in eternally condemning the entire progeny of Adam and Eve for the transient sin they committed and repented? A sin for which they themselves were heavily punished and driven out of heaven in such disgrace. What manner of justice would it be for God, who even after having more than punished Adam and Eve for their personal sins, still did not have His passion of revenge abated until He had condemned the entire human race to a helpless degradation of being born as congenital sinners? What chance did the children of Adam have to escape sin? If parents make a mistake why should their innocent children suffer for that mistake eternally?

That being so, again what distorted sense of justice does God claim to possess and to enjoy, to punish a people who are designed to act sinfully, however much they abhor sin? Sin is made a part and parcel of their mechanism. There is no chance any more for a child of Adam to remain innocent. If sin was a crime, then logic demands that it should be a crime of the Creator and not that of the creation. In that case, what justice could require the punishment of the innocent, for the crimes of the perpetrator?

How different from the Christian understanding of sin and its consequences is the proclamation of the Holy Quran, which says:


No one can bear the burden of another. (35:19)




God requires not of any one that which is beyond his capacity. (2:287)

Compared to the Christian concept of Sin and Atonement these declarations of the Holy Quran are pure music to the soul.

Let us now turn to the Biblical account of what actually happened at the time of the sin of Adam and Eve and the consequences that ensued the punishment. According to Genesis, God accepted their apology only partially and an eternal punishment was meted out to them, prescribed as follows:

To the woman he said, ‘I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you.’

To Adam he said, ‘Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat of it,’ ‘Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it were you taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.’ (Genesis 3:16–19)

Mankind existed long before Adam and Eve came to be born. Western scientists themselves discovered the remains of many a prehistoric man and labelled them under different distinctive titles. Neanderthal man is perhaps the most widely known of them. They lived between 100,000 to 35,000 years ago, mostly in the regions of Europe, Near East and Central Asia. A carcass of a fully developed human being has been discovered, who happened to roam the earth about 29,000 years before Adam and Eve are known to have begun their short lived sojourn in paradise. At that time, human beings were physically just like us and lived in Europe, Africa and Asia, and later during the Ice Age they spread to the Americas as well. Again in Australia, the authentic cultural history of Aborigines is traceable up to 40,000 years ago.

Compared to these relatively recent times, a skeleton of a female from Hedar in Ethiopia has been discovered which is 2.9 million years old. Now according to the Biblical chronology, Adam and Eve lived around six thousand years ago. One may look back in wonderment at the reported history of human beings, or Homo Sapiens as they are titled in scientific jargon.

i'm not islamic...i'm catholic (and a poor one at that)

Well i'm a lesbian myself. I found my G/F by going to a youth group for gays and trans youth. They teach about all sorts of things against hate crimes and repression. Family and religious problems. And the biggest thing....It's not a sin! It's not bad...it's as normal in nature as heterosexuality. Just look at the lovebirds and other species of animals. Really maybe god has homosexuality so we don't over populate the earth, ne? And don't tell me this Adam and Ev crap. It's a bunch of bull. (sick of that topic)

Now i will have to tell you that just becuase we are lesbians, it doesn't mean we are going to hit on you. You have the same chances of a guy hitting on you as well. I'm very shy myself and couldn't "hit" on anyone if I tried.. sweatdrop I only started going out with my G/F after I knew her intensly well enough. Then i start hitting on her. only her.

redface I think we are starting an argument.....I was just posting what the Abrahamic religious view was.....

I never said that lesbian couples or gay couples cannot have children......and I don't remember posting my opinion on homosexual mirriages