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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:48 pm
BBC Che: The icon and the ad By Stephanie Holmes BBC News It is perhaps the most reproduced, recycled and ripped off image of the 20th Century. Che Guevara, his eyes framed by heavy brows, a single-starred beret pulled over his unruly hair, stares out of the shot with glowering intensity. It's now 40 years since the Argentine-born rebel was shot dead, so any young radicals who cheered on his revolutionary struggles in Cuba and Bolivia are well into middle age. But the image has been infinitely repeated - emblazoned on T-shirts and sprayed on to walls, transformed into pop art and used to wrap ice-creams and sell cigarettes - and its appeal has not faded. "There is no other image like it. What other image has been sustained in this way?" asks Trisha Ziff, the curator of a touring exhibition on the iconography of Che. "Che Guevara has become a brand. And the brand's logo is the image, which represents change. It has becomes the icon of the outside thinker, at whatever level - whether it is anti-war, pro-green or anti-globalisation," she says. Its presence - everywhere from walls in the Palestinian territories to Parisian boutiques - makes it an image that is "out of control", she adds. "It has become a corporation, an empire, at this point." The unchecked proliferation of the picture - based on a photograph by Alberto Korda in 1960 - is partly due to a political choice by Korda and others not to demand payment for non-commercial use of the image. Birth of an iconJim Fitzpatrick, who produced the ubiquitous high-contrast drawing in the late 1960s as a young graphic artist, told the BBC News website he actively wanted his art to be disseminated. "I deliberately designed it to breed like rabbits," he says of his image, which removes the original photograph's shadows and volume to create a stark and emblematic graphic portrait. "The way they killed him, there was to be no memorial, no place of pilgrimage, nothing. I was determined that the image should receive the broadest possible circulation," he adds. "His image will never die, his name will never die." For Ms Ziff, Che Guevara's murder also marks the beginning of the mythical image. "The birth of the image happens at the death of Che in October 1967," she says. "He was good-looking, he was young, but more than that, he died for his ideals, so he automatically becomes an icon." The story of the original photograph, of how it left Cuba and was carried by admirers to Europe before being reinterpreted in Mr Fitzpatrick's iconic drawing, is a fascinating journey in its own right. Alberto Korda captured his famous frame on 5 March 1960 during a mass funeral in Havana. A day earlier, a French cargo ship loaded with ammunition had exploded in the city's harbour, killing some 80 Cubans - an act Fidel Castro blamed on the US. Korda, Fidel Castro's official photographer, describes Che's expression in the picture, which he labelled "Guerrillero Heroico" (the heroic fighter), as "encabronadao y dolente" - angry and sad. The picture was one of only two frames taken. The original shot includes palm fronds and a man facing Che, both subsequently cropped out. Unpublished for a year, the picture was seen only by those who passed through Korda's studio, where it hung on a wall. Poster boy One man who brought the image to Europe was the leftist Italian publisher and intellectual, Giangiacomo Feltrinelli, who distributed posters across Italy in 1967. After that, Korda's photograph made an appearance in several European magazines. Mr Fitzpatrick first came across it in the German weekly, Stern. "One of the images was Korda's but it was so tiny that when I blew it up all I got was a dot matrix pattern. From this I did a quasi-psychedelic, sea-weedy version of Che," he said. Only months later, when he finally got his hands on a larger version of the photograph, was he able to produce the image that has such universal appeal. "I'd got an original copy of the image sent to me by a guy involved with a group of Dutch anarchists, called the Provo." This underground movement was in turn rumoured to have been given the image by French philosopher and radical Jean-Paul Sartre, who was present at the Havana funeral when it was taken. Capitalism and CatholicismAfter Che Guevara's death, an outraged Mr Fitzpatrick furiously reprinted originals of the poster and sent it to left-wing political activist groups across Europe. Part of his anger stemmed from vivid memories working behind a bar in Ireland as a teenager, and seeing Che walk in. The revolutionary was briefly exploring the homeland of his Irish ancestors - the full family name was Guevara-Lynch - during a stopover on a flight to Moscow. "I must have been around 16 or 17," Mr Fitzpatrick remembers. "It was a bright, sunny morning and light was streaming into the windows of the bar. I knew immediately who he was. He was an immensely charming man - likeable, roguish, good fun and very proud of being Irish." Mr Fitzpatrick's version of Che arrived on the continent as many countries were in a state of flux, says Ms Ziff. "His death was followed by demonstrations, first in Milan and then elsewhere. Very soon afterwards there was the Prague Spring and May '68 in France. Europe was in turmoil. People wanted change, disruption and rebellion and he became a symbol of that change." As time went on, the meaning and the man represented by the image became separated in the western context, Ms Ziff explains. It began to be used as a decoration for products from tissues to underwear. Unilever even brought out a Che version of the Magnum ice cream in Australia - flavoured with cherry and guava. "There is a theory that an image can only exist for a certain amount of time before capitalism appropriates it. But capitalism only wants to appropriate images if they retain some sense of danger," Ms Ziff says. But in Latin America, she points out, Che Guevara's face remains a symbol of armed revolution and indigenous struggle. Indeed, Venezuela's Hugo Chavez often appears wearing a Che T-shirt and visitors to the offices of Bolivia's leader, Evo Morales, are reportedly greeted with a version of the iconic image fashioned from coca leaves. Combining capitalism and commerce, religion and revolution, the icon remains unchallenged, Ms Ziff says. "There is no other image that remotely takes us to all these different places." Source.I couldn't resist. There's irony, of course.... but it's also endearing. Just the kind of memorial everyone can appreciate first hand. And that's before we get into its contribution to memetic theories. ninja
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:13 pm
Indeed, I've seen a resurgence of both Che and CCCP memorabilia among certain circles as of late... it's rather ironic that the images are so commercialized, really, and yet, I suppose it does no real harm, as it's basically a walking advertisment that may lead people to actually doing some research, and maybe thinking.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:37 pm
Lady Merewyn Indeed, I've seen a resurgence of both Che and CCCP memorabilia among certain circles as of late... it's rather ironic that the images are so commercialized, really, and yet, I suppose it does no real harm, as it's basically a walking advertisment that may lead people to actually doing some research, and maybe thinking. Thats what they say when those science shirts came out about light. Really people don't care to think, they see a pretty shirt ,and buy it. they wear the shirt because it's, "in". To say they have it, just like books. Just to say they have it on the book shelf, and appear they have read it.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:32 am
Lady Merewyn Indeed, I've seen a resurgence of both Che and CCCP memorabilia among certain circles as of late... it's rather ironic that the images are so commercialized, really, and yet, I suppose it does no real harm, as it's basically a walking advertisment that may lead people to actually doing some research, and maybe thinking. Does the money/proceeds go to the party../ ANY communist/socialsit party.... no.. therefore its "bad."
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:41 am
SoViEtTaNkT34 Lady Merewyn Indeed, I've seen a resurgence of both Che and CCCP memorabilia among certain circles as of late... it's rather ironic that the images are so commercialized, really, and yet, I suppose it does no real harm, as it's basically a walking advertisment that may lead people to actually doing some research, and maybe thinking. Does the money/proceeds go to the party../ ANY communist/socialsit party.... no.. therefore its "bad." Which party do you support? Quite frankly, I haven't found a party yet that's been idiotic... they're either all revolutionaries and no intellectuals, or they're not serious enough to actually work toward social change.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:13 pm
Lady Merewyn SoViEtTaNkT34 Lady Merewyn Indeed, I've seen a resurgence of both Che and CCCP memorabilia among certain circles as of late... it's rather ironic that the images are so commercialized, really, and yet, I suppose it does no real harm, as it's basically a walking advertisment that may lead people to actually doing some research, and maybe thinking. Does the money/proceeds go to the party../ ANY communist/socialsit party.... no.. therefore its "bad." Which party do you support? Quite frankly, I haven't found a party yet that's been idiotic... they're either all revolutionaries and no intellectuals, or they're not serious enough to actually work toward social change. RCP! RCP! RCP! XD! XP!
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:17 pm
Parties are more like tribes than they serve a political purpose. It's only when the tribes compete with each other for dominant power does the specific party become an issue.
But at the same time, there is a tendency to hit peaks with the full force of their ideals, then gradually decline as new tribes are formed out of the old ones. And this is regardless of the tribe ideology -- it's more often a generational shift than anything.
I digress. The commercialization of Che works for many reasons going back to how information spreads among people, and how people, especially the youth, are incline to use symbols and role models -- even if only icons -- as a way of identifying who they are. That desire for identity is exploited by our particular style of capitalism. People do not know who they are. As false identities are eroded, new identities are created and bought on the market. This is something natural to us all... just think about it for a while.
The difficulties in reconciling Che's iconery also points to something else -- democracy. No one owns the right to print Che's image on their products, so anyone can use Che. Che is free to all people, whatever power -- even marketing power -- Che gives to people's products is free. Yet, their products are not, and cannot be as long as they need to earn a living.
This can be an interesting dilemma to explore.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:28 am
SoViEtTaNkT34 Lady Merewyn SoViEtTaNkT34 Lady Merewyn Indeed, I've seen a resurgence of both Che and CCCP memorabilia among certain circles as of late... it's rather ironic that the images are so commercialized, really, and yet, I suppose it does no real harm, as it's basically a walking advertisment that may lead people to actually doing some research, and maybe thinking. Does the money/proceeds go to the party../ ANY communist/socialsit party.... no.. therefore its "bad." Which party do you support? Quite frankly, I haven't found a party yet that's been idiotic... they're either all revolutionaries and no intellectuals, or they're not serious enough to actually work toward social change. RCP! RCP! RCP! XD! XP! Bloody Maoists...
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:51 am
Demon Kagerou Parties are more like tribes than they serve a political purpose. It's only when the tribes compete with each other for dominant power does the specific party become an issue. But at the same time, there is a tendency to hit peaks with the full force of their ideals, then gradually decline as new tribes are formed out of the old ones. And this is regardless of the tribe ideology -- it's more often a generational shift than anything. I digress. The commercialization of Che works for many reasons going back to how information spreads among people, and how people, especially the youth, are incline to use symbols and role models -- even if only icons -- as a way of identifying who they are. That desire for identity is exploited by our particular style of capitalism. People do not know who they are. As false identities are eroded, new identities are created and bought on the market. This is something natural to us all... just think about it for a while. The difficulties in reconciling Che's iconery also points to something else -- democracy. No one owns the right to print Che's image on their products, so anyone can use Che. Che is free to all people, whatever power -- even marketing power -- Che gives to people's products is free. Yet, their products are not, and cannot be as long as they need to earn a living. This can be an interesting dilemma to explore. While his prints of him are free to the public in a sense of viewing. I doubt people would get the overall message of it. Do you really think pictures of Einstein and other famous important world history figures will get message out to people or take them as they really are? Or would they be bogged down in a stigma of cooperate marketing and be viewed as in and sell it to a demographic only, thus label it to them. If you use a icon like we see today in all parts from sports to any other field we see icons that market to people and only to that group. I just see Che as a means to get a profit and use or modify his image to people.Like how the Confederate Flag has been marketed today, it stood for independence of the north through miss representation in congress, after the war it was slavery, and today its marketed as a rebelling person icon. I see this as a means to a end to a new means that will cycle over again.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:52 pm
Steven Hawkings While his prints of him are free to the public in a sense of viewing. I doubt people would get the overall message of it. No, you don't undersand what I mean. As far as I know, there's no copyright on Che's image. It's public domain, which means anyone can use the image on anything they like and not have to pay an artist or some publishing company a use fee. It could very well happen that Che is copyrighted by -- I dunno, the Socialist Party USA. Then everytime someone wanted to use Che on their product they'd have to ask the Socialist Party for permission. The Party could arrange to have themselves paid a small percentage for every print of CHe that's made, taken from the sales profit. That's what happens for every company in the world -- branding is a big deal and they're very protective if their icons, logos, whatever. Disney is actually notorious for going after childcare centers that put Disney characters on their buildings. It used to be 70 years after the author died before a copyrighted work would become public domain, but because Mickey was getting close to term, Disney has been making a big deal to extend it. I don't remember if they got their way or not. Anyway, just be aware that their are legal complications in what defines public and private domains. Not just a matter of viewing. Quote: Do you really think pictures of Einstein and other famous important world history figures will get message out to people or take them as they really are? Or would they be bogged down in a stigma of cooperate marketing and be viewed as in and sell it to a demographic only, thus label it to them. If you use a icon like we see today in all parts from sports to any other field we see icons that market to people and only to that group. I just see Che as a means to get a profit and use or modify his image to people.Like how the Confederate Flag has been marketed today, it stood for independence of the north through miss representation in congress, after the war it was slavery, and today its marketed as a rebelling person icon. I see this as a means to a end to a new means that will cycle over again. That isn't want an icon is, and you know that. Icons are just like names -- they don't mean anything by themselves, but they represent a person, object, emotion. The interesting thing about using people for icons is that it REALLY flattens the person out into a 2-dimensional stereotype. But think of that as a kind of packaging for faster travel. Everyone knows who Einstein is, even if they have no idea what kind of person he was or even why he's famous. Would you rather people not know of Einstein at all? For better or for worse, he's a front for advance science and intelligence, and for many people who want to know him more, he'll be their first mentor into the realm of learning. Of course, for every eager student Einstein enrolls, there are hundreds that just seem to respond to the Einstein icon and nothing more. Che does the same thing... also true of Elvis, Lennon, all kinds of presidents. It's just the way people share information -- it undergoes a kind of natural selection before it gets to the right people who can really use it. That's going to happen regardless of whether people are making a profit off it... and in that sense it's wise to separate markets from raw capitalism.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:08 pm
Demon Kagerou Steven Hawkings While his prints of him are free to the public in a sense of viewing. I doubt people would get the overall message of it. No, you don't undersand what I mean. As far as I know, there's no copyright on Che's image. It's public domain, which means anyone can use the image on anything they like and not have to pay an artist or some publishing company a use fee. It could very well happen that Che is copyrighted by -- I dunno, the Socialist Party USA. Then everytime someone wanted to use Che on their product they'd have to ask the Socialist Party for permission. The Party could arrange to have themselves paid a small percentage for every print of CHe that's made, taken from the sales profit. That's what happens for every company in the world -- branding is a big deal and they're very protective if their icons, logos, whatever. Disney is actually notorious for going after childcare centers that put Disney characters on their buildings. It used to be 70 years after the author died before a copyrighted work would become public domain, but because Mickey was getting close to term, Disney has been making a big deal to extend it. I don't remember if they got their way or not. Anyway, just be aware that their are legal complications in what defines public and private domains. Not just a matter of viewing. Quote: Do you really think pictures of Einstein and other famous important world history figures will get message out to people or take them as they really are? Or would they be bogged down in a stigma of cooperate marketing and be viewed as in and sell it to a demographic only, thus label it to them. If you use a icon like we see today in all parts from sports to any other field we see icons that market to people and only to that group. I just see Che as a means to get a profit and use or modify his image to people.Like how the Confederate Flag has been marketed today, it stood for independence of the north through miss representation in congress, after the war it was slavery, and today its marketed as a rebelling person icon. I see this as a means to a end to a new means that will cycle over again. That isn't want an icon is, and you know that. Icons are just like names -- they don't mean anything by themselves, but they represent a person, object, emotion. The interesting thing about using people for icons is that it REALLY flattens the person out into a 2-dimensional stereotype. But think of that as a kind of packaging for faster travel. Everyone knows who Einstein is, even if they have no idea what kind of person he was or even why he's famous. Would you rather people not know of Einstein at all? For better or for worse, he's a front for advance science and intelligence, and for many people who want to know him more, he'll be their first mentor into the realm of learning. Of course, for every eager student Einstein enrolls, there are hundreds that just seem to respond to the Einstein icon and nothing more. Che does the same thing... also true of Elvis, Lennon, all kinds of presidents. It's just the way people share information -- it undergoes a kind of natural selection before it gets to the right people who can really use it. That's going to happen regardless of whether people are making a profit off it... and in that sense it's wise to separate markets from raw capitalism. "While his prints of him are free to the public in a sense of viewing." I should have stated this better, your not paying for the picture on the mug for example, your paying for the material to make the mug with the picture on it. The picture is just a given for buying the mug; also I know what public domain is at basic standards, from NASA, Hubble, among many historical pictures, and paintings. I think it applies to film after some time also. Though yes, there are many things on public viewing, which I was trying to avoid into a large debate and sum what I feel about this issue though it seems I did a bad job at it... "Would you rather people not know of Einstein at all?" Humm at times yes, I see were you getting at it showcases them. Just the stereotype that is shown is fake and shows this man or women that is above all. When you read abut them, they thought of themselves as a failure and some even did after what they did. Some were quite sick in the head some were not so great people in real life. Just I want people respect for who they were and not a commercial product or banner of them that people see or buy it for what little they know. Though I do agree with you, because I can't control it. Even if I could I wouldn't stop the viewing of them still. Then again public domain getting profit off of it is just the price for the free information sadly. We all see a bit of ourselves in a figure or figures when we want to learn of them, that's what I truly want to show people.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:27 pm
Demon Kagerou Steven Hawkings While his prints of him are free to the public in a sense of viewing. I doubt people would get the overall message of it. No, you don't undersand what I mean. As far as I know, there's no copyright on Che's image. It's public domain, which means anyone can use the image on anything they like and not have to pay an artist or some publishing company a use fee. It could very well happen that Che is copyrighted by -- I dunno, the Socialist Party USA. Then everytime someone wanted to use Che on their product they'd have to ask the Socialist Party for permission. The Party could arrange to have themselves paid a small percentage for every print of CHe that's made, taken from the sales profit. That's what happens for every company in the world -- branding is a big deal and they're very protective if their icons, logos, whatever. Disney is actually notorious for going after childcare centers that put Disney characters on their buildings. It used to be 70 years after the author died before a copyrighted work would become public domain, but because Mickey was getting close to term, Disney has been making a big deal to extend it. I don't remember if they got their way or not. Anyway, just be aware that their are legal complications in what defines public and private domains. Not just a matter of viewing. Quote: Do you really think pictures of Einstein and other famous important world history figures will get message out to people or take them as they really are? Or would they be bogged down in a stigma of cooperate marketing and be viewed as in and sell it to a demographic only, thus label it to them. If you use a icon like we see today in all parts from sports to any other field we see icons that market to people and only to that group. I just see Che as a means to get a profit and use or modify his image to people.Like how the Confederate Flag has been marketed today, it stood for independence of the north through miss representation in congress, after the war it was slavery, and today its marketed as a rebelling person icon. I see this as a means to a end to a new means that will cycle over again. That isn't want an icon is, and you know that. Icons are just like names -- they don't mean anything by themselves, but they represent a person, object, emotion. The interesting thing about using people for icons is that it REALLY flattens the person out into a 2-dimensional stereotype. But think of that as a kind of packaging for faster travel. Everyone knows who Einstein is, even if they have no idea what kind of person he was or even why he's famous. Would you rather people not know of Einstein at all? For better or for worse, he's a front for advance science and intelligence, and for many people who want to know him more, he'll be their first mentor into the realm of learning. Of course, for every eager student Einstein enrolls, there are hundreds that just seem to respond to the Einstein icon and nothing more. Che does the same thing... also true of Elvis, Lennon, all kinds of presidents. It's just the way people share information -- it undergoes a kind of natural selection before it gets to the right people who can really use it. That's going to happen regardless of whether people are making a profit off it... and in that sense it's wise to separate markets from raw capitalism. Ask Gallenger he knows of the works that are copyrighted... a good majority and not by any communist party
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:54 pm
SoViEtTaNkT34 Demon Kagerou Steven Hawkings While his prints of him are free to the public in a sense of viewing. I doubt people would get the overall message of it. No, you don't undersand what I mean. As far as I know, there's no copyright on Che's image. It's public domain, which means anyone can use the image on anything they like and not have to pay an artist or some publishing company a use fee. It could very well happen that Che is copyrighted by -- I dunno, the Socialist Party USA. Then everytime someone wanted to use Che on their product they'd have to ask the Socialist Party for permission. The Party could arrange to have themselves paid a small percentage for every print of CHe that's made, taken from the sales profit. That's what happens for every company in the world -- branding is a big deal and they're very protective if their icons, logos, whatever. Disney is actually notorious for going after childcare centers that put Disney characters on their buildings. It used to be 70 years after the author died before a copyrighted work would become public domain, but because Mickey was getting close to term, Disney has been making a big deal to extend it. I don't remember if they got their way or not. Anyway, just be aware that their are legal complications in what defines public and private domains. Not just a matter of viewing. Quote: Do you really think pictures of Einstein and other famous important world history figures will get message out to people or take them as they really are? Or would they be bogged down in a stigma of cooperate marketing and be viewed as in and sell it to a demographic only, thus label it to them. If you use a icon like we see today in all parts from sports to any other field we see icons that market to people and only to that group. I just see Che as a means to get a profit and use or modify his image to people.Like how the Confederate Flag has been marketed today, it stood for independence of the north through miss representation in congress, after the war it was slavery, and today its marketed as a rebelling person icon. I see this as a means to a end to a new means that will cycle over again. That isn't want an icon is, and you know that. Icons are just like names -- they don't mean anything by themselves, but they represent a person, object, emotion. The interesting thing about using people for icons is that it REALLY flattens the person out into a 2-dimensional stereotype. But think of that as a kind of packaging for faster travel. Everyone knows who Einstein is, even if they have no idea what kind of person he was or even why he's famous. Would you rather people not know of Einstein at all? For better or for worse, he's a front for advance science and intelligence, and for many people who want to know him more, he'll be their first mentor into the realm of learning. Of course, for every eager student Einstein enrolls, there are hundreds that just seem to respond to the Einstein icon and nothing more. Che does the same thing... also true of Elvis, Lennon, all kinds of presidents. It's just the way people share information -- it undergoes a kind of natural selection before it gets to the right people who can really use it. That's going to happen regardless of whether people are making a profit off it... and in that sense it's wise to separate markets from raw capitalism. Ask Gallenger he knows of the works that are copyrighted... a good majority and not by any communist party I myself thought it was age, but Apollo pictures were used during the first Earth Day. Though NASA being a public sector I think that plays a role. Seeing how pictures can easily be obtained on the internet from Hubble Team and many observatories for public showing. I myself wish to know how about how this goes also.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:45 am
Though I am not particularly pleased by Che becoming a brand rather than an individual, I do appreciate that his image leaves an idealist hole that people can examine, even if the person wearing the shirt does not. Personally, I just have a wallet with that picture on it, but I have done my research beforehand and am a socialist, so it would make a bit more sense for me to have a picture or something of Che with me. This image won't go away.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:50 am
kids on my streets
wear red t-shirts with his face
his face is looking in a dream
that's all these kids know about him
to dream
but that is good enough
DEMON KAGEROOOOUUUUU!!!!!!!!
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