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 Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:38 pm
Suicide.
Come on, I wanna hear your views on the action, the reaction, the consequences, the benefits, absolutly everything!
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:47 pm
I know that some Christians believe that if you commit suicide, its a one way ticket staright to hell, but i dont believe that. If you're a believer, I can't imagine why you would feel the need to end it all when you have such an amazing God to live for, but if for some reason they did, they are right with God just by faith...not by what we do or don't do. No one knows the last thoughts of someone who commits suicide, so we don't know where they stand with God. I don't agree with it, but it's not like they are doomed for all of eternity.
They are selfish, I think, thogh because not only are they taking there own life, they're taking a chucnk out of peeps that love them.
Still, I believe that God can heal.....that's what His stripes were for. He can take away whatever pain is so great that we feel we can't handle or live with. It's unnecessary and unfortunate, but who are we to judge?
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:49 am
His stripes?
I thought it was Joseph who had the striped technicolor dreamcoat
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:09 pm
The Kaptain His stripes? I thought it was Joseph who had the striped technicolor dreamcoat I see what you're thinking of, but I'm talking about where Jesus was wipped before the crucifiction. It left stripes of blood accross His body.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:41 pm
Well there's something I didn't know
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:14 pm
The Kaptain Well there's something I didn't know yup...he was brutally beaten and wipped before the real pain of the cross even began...it's quite amazing to think that while he was enduring all that pain, He was thinking about me...The girl He KNEW would still sin even after all that...
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:06 pm
Personally, regardless of what Religion I'll ever follow, I believe suicide is completely wrong. It is for people who want an easy out of this thing called life. It is for cowards and people who aren't mature enough to handle their problems. Life is made of waves of joy and sorrow. They come and go, and are always of different size. I think that people cope with the harshness of life in the wrong way when they consider suicide. They don't see what can be or what joys they have. And believe me when I say this: I've been there. I've attempted suicide and thought about it more than once in my past. But I've slowly come to realize that I should be thankful and happy, no matter how bad my life is. It's just sometimes hard to do. . .y'know? I just have to hope. . .pray, and enjoy what I have. Be silent. Meditate over my problems. Yeah. . .. Here is a quote from one of the best books I have ever read: The Prophet, by Kahlil Gibran. Quote: Then a woman said, Speak to us of Joy and Sorrow. And he answered: Your joy is your sorrow unmasked. And the selfsame well from which your laughter rises was oftentimes filled with your tears. And how else can it be? The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain. Is not the cup that holds your wine the very cup that was burned in the otters oven? And is not the lute that soothes your spirit, the very wood that was hollowed with knives? When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy. When you are sorrowful, look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight. Some of you say, "Joy is greater than sorrow," and others say, "Nay, sorrow is the greater. But I say unto you, they are inseparable. Together they come, and when one sits alone with you at your board, remember that the other is asleep upon your bed. Verily you are suspended like scales between your sorrow and your joy. Only when you are empty are you at a standstill and balanced. When the treasure-keeper lifts you to weigh his gold and his silver, needs must your joy or your sorrow rise or fall. Salaam~
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:15 pm
I know someone on gaia who said that people must be brave to be able to point a gun at their head and pull the trigger, or whatever they need to do to commit suicide. They don't fear death. BS. I say, they simply fear life more. Indeed, 'tis the easy way out. They win the Darwin award. Can't exactly blame 'em, but it isn't the only answer.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:13 pm
Soulstrike96 I know someone on gaia who said that people must be brave to be able to point a gun at their head and pull the trigger, or whatever they need to do to commit suicide. They don't fear death. BS. I say, they simply fear life more. Indeed, 'tis the easy way out. They win the Darwin award. Can't exactly blame 'em, but it isn't the only answer. What if you have an untreatable disease and you're dieing slowly and in pain. Would suicide still be wrong in that situation?
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:05 pm
The Kaptain Soulstrike96 I know someone on gaia who said that people must be brave to be able to point a gun at their head and pull the trigger, or whatever they need to do to commit suicide. They don't fear death. BS. I say, they simply fear life more. Indeed, 'tis the easy way out. They win the Darwin award. Can't exactly blame 'em, but it isn't the only answer. What if you have an untreatable disease and you're dieing slowly and in pain. Would suicide still be wrong in that situation? I would say for them to just get really high on some really strong drugs...there are also hypnosis things that can be done so that our pain receptors in our brain are shut off and we cant feel pain. Those are better than suicide. Farr better than all of these, tho, would be God's healing.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:57 pm
ChikiMongo The Kaptain Soulstrike96 I know someone on gaia who said that people must be brave to be able to point a gun at their head and pull the trigger, or whatever they need to do to commit suicide. They don't fear death. BS. I say, they simply fear life more. Indeed, 'tis the easy way out. They win the Darwin award. Can't exactly blame 'em, but it isn't the only answer. What if you have an untreatable disease and you're dieing slowly and in pain. Would suicide still be wrong in that situation? I would say for them to just get really high on some really strong drugs...there are also hypnosis things that can be done so that our pain receptors in our brain are shut off and we cant feel pain. Those are better than suicide. Farr better than all of these, tho, would be God's healing. But why not just save yourself time and money and end it all quickly?
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:09 am
Personally, I am really against the idea of society because it represents a total disregard for the life a person has been given and his hugely disrespectful to the community aspect we all live and operate in, whether you have a faith or not. However, as much as I am against it, I do not support my or anyone else's religious beliefs making public policy and think that legally, one should face no reprocussions.
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:48 pm
The Kaptain ChikiMongo The Kaptain Soulstrike96 I know someone on gaia who said that people must be brave to be able to point a gun at their head and pull the trigger, or whatever they need to do to commit suicide. They don't fear death. BS. I say, they simply fear life more. Indeed, 'tis the easy way out. They win the Darwin award. Can't exactly blame 'em, but it isn't the only answer. What if you have an untreatable disease and you're dieing slowly and in pain. Would suicide still be wrong in that situation? I would say for them to just get really high on some really strong drugs...there are also hypnosis things that can be done so that our pain receptors in our brain are shut off and we cant feel pain. Those are better than suicide. Farr better than all of these, tho, would be God's healing. But why not just save yourself time and money and end it all quickly? Technically, that is indeed suicide, though it would fall more appropiately under the term euthanasia. Either way, it's their choice. I'm not saying what they can or can't do, just that there are other things to enjoy in life while you can and that they shouldn't focus on what they can no longer enjoy but what they can still enjoy. Here's some food for thought: is life given, or forced upon us? Given the nature of life and humanity, is life really a gift? What are 'we' before we are 'given life' and how do you know this?
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:34 pm
Soulstrike96 The Kaptain ChikiMongo The Kaptain Soulstrike96 I know someone on gaia who said that people must be brave to be able to point a gun at their head and pull the trigger, or whatever they need to do to commit suicide. They don't fear death. BS. I say, they simply fear life more. Indeed, 'tis the easy way out. They win the Darwin award. Can't exactly blame 'em, but it isn't the only answer. What if you have an untreatable disease and you're dieing slowly and in pain. Would suicide still be wrong in that situation? I would say for them to just get really high on some really strong drugs...there are also hypnosis things that can be done so that our pain receptors in our brain are shut off and we cant feel pain. Those are better than suicide. Farr better than all of these, tho, would be God's healing. But why not just save yourself time and money and end it all quickly? Technically, that is indeed suicide, though it would fall more appropiately under the term euthanasia. Either way, it's their choice. I'm not saying what they can or can't do, just that there are other things to enjoy in life while you can and that they shouldn't focus on what they can no longer enjoy but what they can still enjoy. Here's some food for thought: is life given, or forced upon us? Given the nature of life and humanity, is life really a gift? What are 'we' before we are 'given life' and how do you know this? I dont know exactly how to answer that question, but I do know this: God gave us our life. He made this earth for us to enjoy. He put family and friends into our lives...ppl that love us and we are meant to be here for a reason. God had us planned out and knew us since before we were in our mother's womb. There is plan for our lives....Gods perfect plan. weither we follow it or not and it isn't fair to us or anyone around us to just end it all. Where would our world be if Martin Luther King Jr. Had had a few bad days and didnt feel as tho he could handle it, so he just ended it all? The world would be altered, as would someones life who's is connected to the person who just gave up. We dont just take away our life, we can mean the world to someone else and its not fair. You know what...Jeus gave His life so that we can have true life. Why give that all up? It's a precious gift, and we only get one....one that flys by as time passes and we only have one shot at it, so why give it up. Someone could be losing the love of their life and not even know it because their love gave up before they could even meet. A child who could have a huge impact on this world might not even be born because the person who would have had that child just quit in life. When God gives us so much, why throw it away?
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:01 pm
You know what's not fair. To have some one depend on you so much. Love binds people in chains too. The chains may be light, but they're just as strong, if not stronger. Love oppresses, in its own way. It just doesn't feel like it. =P
Ok, then some people were meant to be born into bad, abusive, and/or deprived homes too. Doesn't sound like a perfect plan. Sounds like a perfect mess. Again, you do not or cannot answer the big question: how do you know this? All of it, simple assumption based on the way we wish the world works and operates. All you can do is hope and move on. You're either right or dead wrong. Can there be any in between?
'Jesus gave his life so we could have ours.' I hate that rhetoric. It really doesn't make any sense to me, even symbolically.
Time flies by when you're having fun. They're obviously not having fun.
Indeed, all of those possibilities are lost when a life is cut short. Also gone are the possibilities of a future murderer, a future hitler even. Hitler was abused by his jewish father. If he had committed suicide, the holocaust would never have happened. He stuck it through, though, didn't he. Do we perhaps owe to hitler our current tolerance and understanding of the jews? Do you think that without such an atrocity that americans and other countries would have changed their policy to stop antisemitism? A lot of experts don't think so. And here we have a variation of the Judas phenomenon. There is no good without evil. Just as there is no hot without cold, or light without dark. 'Good' happens with the 'bad'. Perfect plan? More like cause and effect taking place. Sometimes called karma. Think of natural selection, the way behavior is shaped. If the cost is greater than the benefit, then the behavior will decline (but unlikely to go out altogether, since there are those who can make the benefit greater than the cost). Thus is the conflict of 'altruism' and 'being selfish.' I wish you could take my bio class with me, to hear the mechanisms behind the development of altruism (since it's kind of a pain in the a** to write out and explain).
Either way, I cannot agree with your conclusions. The premise assumes the truth of something that is not known to be true. (It is not known to be untrue either, but such premises and suppositions get us no where). There is no proof, so thus the probability of it being truth does not lean in its favor.
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