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 Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:04 pm
Going through life it has come to my attention that metaphysics has put a strangle hold on the mindset of common people in this country either through theology sub branch for those of religious view or though Ontology, which is body and mind and all that other made up crap. Seeing how people lack a education usually fall under these two more than the other one, it usually destroys the scientific method as a result, so in response no testing means its in the system as a result.
Some cute things we come across is things like String Theory, which of course
is all math that is set so it can't be tested to be proven wrong. This is one example among many other things. Body and mind is funny seeing how it says that everything has a mind rather than everything exists in a mind. So it's roughly stating that mind over the matter of the object as a result. I could harp on and on, but I typed a start up for now, draw from this and your own and tell me your results.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:44 pm
I've got no qualms with the realm of metaphysics. Besides, science is nothing but probability anyway, lmao, if you're looking for an argument.
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:46 pm
Lady Merewyn I've got no qualms with the realm of metaphysics. Besides, science is nothing but probability anyway, lmao, if you're looking for an argument. I would if I was you, seeing how it offers not support but blind into wishing. It's like that great thing either that occupied space those guys thought up, were it can't be seen tested or studied yet it's there. And all test proved what it was been said as false in the late 19th century. Science is more than probability it's observations, and study o how things react in environments to what is looking to be tested. Metaphysics just says we made this up were right, can't prove were wrong. Is that science or religion?
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:39 am
I am a deeply religious Muslim and can say that the ideas of atheism are self-conflicting in that they try to weed out the "simple" answers like "God made it" by replacing them with even more naive and childish answers like "it is all fiction." If Ahmedinajad can convince the nation of Iran that the Holocaust never happened, in spite of the fact that it is the most recorded event in all of history, than it dosn't take a briliant thinker to "prove" that something isn't real because you can't see it. The ideas of metaphysics are in a logistic outside of the physical relm, so yes Allah is real and yes, evolution did happen. Why is it so hard for both religious nuts and atheists to understand! Metaphysics gives us a way of compromising and understanding Allah in a realistic, modern way. If one were to understand the complex metaphors and philosophies of the worlds major religions instead of the literal meaning, you could see the logic behind religion instead of just branding it as "made up."
For instance, instead of thinking of the Genesis story as literal history, you could see a coherent observation of the nature of man. Aden was a paradise because Adam and Eve had everything they needed, and didn't want anything. However, Iblis (translation: Lucifer) is portrayed as evil for giving Eve the fruit, because it is a symbol of disire. Once mankind knew disire, he knew suffering (seeing he was naked). Thus we can never return to Aden, because as long as we know disire, we know suffering.
Many of these ideas come not from Islam, but also Buddhism. Indicating that all religions have a lot of truth to them. However, you will be hard-pressed to find truth in nothingness.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:12 pm
PetersenSpuk I am a deeply religious Muslim and can say that the ideas of atheism are self-conflicting in that they try to weed out the "simple" answers like "God made it" by replacing them with even more naive and childish answers like "it is all fiction." If Ahmedinajad can convince the nation of Iran that the Holocaust never happened, in spite of the fact that it is the most recorded event in all of history, than it dosn't take a briliant thinker to "prove" that something isn't real because you can't see it. The ideas of metaphysics are in a logistic outside of the physical relm, so yes Allah is real and yes, evolution did happen. Why is it so hard for both religious nuts and atheists to understand! Metaphysics gives us a way of compromising and understanding Allah in a realistic, modern way. If one were to understand the complex metaphors and philosophies of the worlds major religions instead of the literal meaning, you could see the logic behind religion instead of just branding it as "made up." For instance, instead of thinking of the Genesis story as literal history, you could see a coherent observation of the nature of man. Aden was a paradise because Adam and Eve had everything they needed, and didn't want anything. However, Iblis (translation: Lucifer) is portrayed as evil for giving Eve the fruit, because it is a symbol of disire. Once mankind knew disire, he knew suffering (seeing he was naked). Thus we can never return to Aden, because as long as we know disire, we know suffering. Many of these ideas come not from Islam, but also Buddhism. Indicating that all religions have a lot of truth to them. However, you will be hard-pressed to find truth in nothingness. Quote: " For instance, instead of thinking of the Genesis story as literal history, you could see a coherent observation of the nature of man. Aden was a paradise because Adam and Eve had everything they needed, and didn't want anything. However, Iblis (translation: Lucifer) is portrayed as evil for giving Eve the fruit, because it is a symbol of disire. Once mankind knew disire, he knew suffering (seeing he was naked). Thus we can never return to Aden, because as long as we know disire, we know suffering. Many of these ideas come not from Islam, but also Buddhism. Indicating that all religions have a lot of truth to them. However, you will be hard-pressed to find truth in nothingness." It's obvious that it's taken that way by some or most. We don't even take it serious these day, well most. Though what pisses me off beyond belief is how Holy Books steal texts from people and claim it as a god gave it to the people. Total trash. Quote: "I am a deeply religious Muslim and can say that the ideas of atheism are self-conflicting in that they try to weed out the "simple" answers like "God made it" by replacing them with even more naive and childish answers like "it is all fiction." I bet you would. For we see the other way around. Stamping god on things and saying that its finite is childish. Saying you can't question something is also? Is it not? Tell me this, is it harder to believe that something came from simple origins or complex? Quote: "If Ahmedinajad can convince the nation of Iran that the Holocaust never happened, in spite of the fact that it is the most recorded event in all of history, than it doesn't take a briliant thinker to "prove" that something isn't real because you can't see it. " It was never about seeing it's basing things upon sight, it's far more than seeing is believing. To religion standards thinking oneself in a bubble. You say you got it but you don't, and your basing it upon faith in another or in senses. We base our evidence upon a system that is the Scientific Method, which allows change. The structure is the frame that holds data into shape but allows it to better itself. Religion try to be like this but can't since all is established so its fun to watch you take texts into contexts and try to change the view with the times. Look throughout history and you will see how much religion or any type is a lie. Quote: "The ideas of metaphysics are in a logistic outside of the physical relm, so yes Allah is real and yes, evolution did happen. Why is it so hard for both religious nuts and atheists to understand!" Real in what sense? As in trying to make sense of the world when you lack the knowledge so you go to religion to answer it? You do know evolution does not explain how life came into being just how it changes over time from factors in the environment from natural selection in the population after time allows this to be separate in genetics to be a new species.
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