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 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:30 am
Answer the poll question and then give your reason please?
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:02 pm
I admit I don't really know what it is. Some basics from google searching and the like but I take that with a grain of salt...
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:43 pm
I am an ignorant woman lacking in education.
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:11 am
Maha the Wizard I admit I don't really know what it is. Some basics from google searching and the like but I take that with a grain of salt... Googles not going to help.....it can show extremely biased rsults sometimes......like what is popular or viewed the most tends to be on the first page. If you want to know fo to: www.alislam.org ...to read a basic overview......oh and you can do some research for that forum you are working on through this site too....it's very useful
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:12 am
Noora of God I am an ignorant woman lacking in education. I don't understand why you always put yourself down so much.....if I put myself down so much I would be suicidal
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:15 am
Anyways basically an Ahmadhi is someone who beleives that the Messiah that all the Muslim sects and all other world religions are waiting for has already come down and we are following his fifth khalifa right now....
We believe that everything in the Qur'an can be explained logically through science etc. instead of throwing out random things into the air (like the Christians no offence to them) and expecting people to beleive them
And because of our beliefs we are being persecuted.....ESPECIALLY in Pakistan (that place sucks)....last year during Ramdhan people were shahid in a mosque while they were praying because they were from our sect in Mong (sry if I spelled that wrong)....and this year, a few days ago actually two more people were shahid.....one was a doctor....
And we are not allowed to do Hajj. If some1 tries and they do Hajj and the Saudi's find out that person will be dead crying crying crying crying crying crying crying
Need any more info?
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:18 pm
Nope. but you are right about Christians. Alot of things they "did" in the bible makes mo dang sense. which is why I'm not really a devote Christian.
and being persecuted fr something is totally against me. It's wrong and shameful to persecute your fellow human.
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:48 am
I remember the first time I've learned about the Aħmadiyyah a few years ago was in a highschool text-book that had nothing good to say about that sect. It was in the same list alongside Sufism and Darwinism (Don't ask me how, they just put them there gonk )
I have had run into a lot of Muslims that insist that The Aħmadiyyah are not Muslim. Seeing that they themselves are not Aħmadis, I don't give their opinion a lot of weight until I myself learn more.
Because of that, Saudi Arabia considers Aħmadis as non-Muslims and therefore does not allow them in Makkah to perform the pilgramage. I hope it makes sence when I say I went to high school in Saudi Arabia in ~'98.
I do have to say, that my knowlege of the Aħmadiyyah Sect is very limited, and I will research it soon.
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:24 pm
It's kinda like how they treat Druze and Shiai.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:56 pm
Kimyanji I remember the first time I've learned about the Aħmadiyyah a few years ago was in a highschool text-book that had nothing good to say about that sect. It was in the same list alongside Sufism and Darwinism (Don't ask me how, they just put them there gonk ) I have had run into a lot of Muslims that insist that The Aħmadiyyah are not Muslim. Seeing that they themselves are not Aħmadis, I don't give their opinion a lot of weight until I myself learn more. Because of that, Saudi Arabia considers Aħmadis as non-Muslims and therefore does not allow them in Makkah to perform the pilgramage. I hope it makes sence when I say I went to high school in Saudi Arabia in ~'98. I do have to say, that my knowlege of the Aħmadiyyah Sect is very limited, and I will research it soon. The text book is wrong....! And my question is when the Holy Prophet saw claimed the Kabah when did he state that ONLY Muslims are allowed in it....or that Muslims are ONLY allowed in mosques? No offence but the Saudi gov't is screwed up.... oh and the Muslim powers are really screwed up in the fact that a lot of non-Muslim people watch the khalifa's friday sermons....etc. and love them....and look to him as an example
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:57 pm
Maha the Wizard It's kinda like how they treat Druze and Shiai. how do they treat them?
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:33 pm
Pheonixia Maha the Wizard It's kinda like how they treat Druze and Shiai. how do they treat them? Druze are considered by many not to even be Muslim and there is alot of nasty stuff said about them. Shia it kinda goes both ways but there is alot of animosity with mainstream groups (in Saudi they have almost no rights, and in Afghanistan they are killed on sight).
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:23 am
Maha the Wizard Pheonixia Maha the Wizard It's kinda like how they treat Druze and Shiai. how do they treat them? Druze are considered by many not to even be Muslim and there is alot of nasty stuff said about them. Shia it kinda goes both ways but there is alot of animosity with mainstream groups (in Saudi they have almost no rights, and in Afghanistan they are killed on sight). This is different though. This main dude claimed to be Someone all together, God i dont know how to out this. In the end of the day he commitied blashphemy. The reason most sunni's hate shia is because the think Ali should have been 1st califa and that the 1st 3 are evil. They hate Aisha, for many reasons. The most known one is that she opposed ali, but they also call her a whore (prostitute), this is the wife of a prophet. They hold the prophets family above all others because his blood runs in them. Its totlay weird. And to think that it was they whom left hassan and hussien to die. For they called them and said we will protect you. They came to them and then left them to be massacred. The say satan is better than the prophets best friend (Abu Bakr). No offence to the shia out there that arent like that, but anyone who is like that to sahaba and the umm-al-muslimeen has no real reason to believe. This isnt mentioning the drastic beating of themselves on a'shura which is said to make god forgive them for leaving hassan and hussien. The amount of blood spilt, and the obvious contradiction of the order of allah not to harm ourselves. Its just inhumane.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:54 am
How would the Saudi government find out that you are an Ahmadhi? I honestly don't see why Islam has to have so many different divisions... We all follow the five pillars, or strive to; we're all muslim. Just because a messiah may or may not have come isn't a basis for Muslims not to be allowed into the one city that they must get into to be called a Muslim. It's so rude that you're not allowed. Don't worry, Allah sees what happens here on Earth.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:47 am
Rhxys Maha the Wizard Pheonixia Maha the Wizard It's kinda like how they treat Druze and Shiai. how do they treat them? Druze are considered by many not to even be Muslim and there is alot of nasty stuff said about them. Shia it kinda goes both ways but there is alot of animosity with mainstream groups (in Saudi they have almost no rights, and in Afghanistan they are killed on sight). This is different though. This main dude claimed to be Someone all together, God i dont know how to out this. In the end of the day he commitied blashphemy. The reason most sunni's hate shia is because the think Ali should have been 1st califa and that the 1st 3 are evil. They hate Aisha, for many reasons. The most known one is that she opposed ali, but they also call her a whore (prostitute), this is the wife of a prophet. They hold the prophets family above all others because his blood runs in them. Its totlay weird. And to think that it was they whom left hassan and hussien to die. For they called them and said we will protect you. They came to them and then left them to be massacred. The say satan is better than the prophets best friend (Abu Bakr). No offence to the shia out there that arent like that, but anyone who is like that to sahaba and the umm-al-muslimeen has no real reason to believe. This isnt mentioning the drastic beating of themselves on a'shura which is said to make god forgive them for leaving hassan and hussien. The amount of blood spilt, and the obvious contradiction of the order of allah not to harm ourselves. Its just inhumane. Well I am going to assume you know the events sorrounding those statements about Aisha...I think it is possible (this is just an assumption on my part) that the Druze sect may have descended from those who never accepted The Prophets (pbuh) response to that situation. Kind of a guess but it would fit into their philosophy.
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