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 Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:06 pm
So NED, I have been thinking. Do we complain to much about iraq? I watch the news and everyday theres atleast one dead in iraq...so we have an average about 1 dead..a day....sooo...remind me again....what exactly is so bad about this?
In WWII we lost up to 900 a day...well compare 900 to ******** I think were doing pretty good... neutral
Terrorist are like insects..literally. They hide...drop a bomb...kill...3 of us?...and....laugh? Go take some lessons from the nazi and come back with some real weapons.
Terrorists hide because up front our army would crush them very quickly...ehm anyway I am getting off topic.
I ask you NED, do you think losing 1 soldier on average a day, is as bad as losing hundreds in previous wars? And do you think we make to much of a fuss over ways to win a war, when in the long term, all things are minor.
Heck this is the easiest war, EVER.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:10 pm
Easiest war ever? Are we talking about the same war here? This is a war that cannot be won. Sure, we're not taking the horrific losses that we have in previous, and more justified wars, but that doesn't mean this is easy. We're not 'winning' anything. I don't see how that is an 'easy war.'
EDIT:
I do think that we are making too much of our casualties though. And we make no bones about the other side's losses. We have no idea how many Iraqis have died in this war. That makes me furious.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:54 pm
Koravin Easiest war ever? Are we talking about the same war here? This is a war that cannot be won. Sure, we're not taking the horrific losses that we have in previous, and more justified wars, but that doesn't mean this is easy. We're not 'winning' anything. I don't see how that is an 'easy war.' EDIT: I do think that we are making too much of our casualties though. And we make no bones about the other side's losses. We have no idea how many Iraqis have died in this war. That makes me furious. easy war, yes I thought this wasn't a war either...until I realized that it IS a war. The only thing that makes it not a war is that we have to keep pulling our punches. Bad intel because we were being "careful". Seriously if we DO let all the guns loose this whole thing will be over in a matter of months. Now, the iraqies are not doing s**t, were trying to install a new government? Install a puppet government, eliminate the terrorist activity in the region and then reset the government to a real one. Its not that hard. And the media isn't helping.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:15 pm
Are you crazy? Are you actually saying we just go in there, take over the government, and shoot as many people as we can? Have you no regard for human life? And how would that help anything? Even if we killed every terrorist in Iraq, we'd never end terrorism. We wouldn't stop Al Qaeda. We would just be martyring them, and killing civilians, as well as loosing our own guys.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:07 pm
Koravin Are you crazy? Are you actually saying we just go in there, take over the government, and shoot as many people as we can? Have you no regard for human life? And how would that help anything? Even if we killed every terrorist in Iraq, we'd never end terrorism. We wouldn't stop Al Qaeda. We would just be martyring them, and killing civilians, as well as loosing our own guys. And do you know what happened in WWII atrocities were comitted by the US, hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed. Human lives don't matter in the grand scheme. All that matters is which side wins. Now, I would work on a better defense, but since were already in deep s**t in iraq, I might as well pitch a way to get out of that mess. The enemy is clearly iran, though bigger players at a large behind the curtain. However we can't just flail about accusing people. The media is causing most of the problems here. We can't go doing things like in WWII, for years no one knew D day even existed. Now, its obvious we can't win with physical force, but force IS needed. Pull back everyone except 100 troops. Keep those 100 troops under cover and make pinpoint attacks on major terrorist leaders as they start to come out of hiding. This would not eliminate terrorism, but would create a power vacuum which would stop any large terroist attacks for a period of five months to one year. This would give the government in the area time to stabilize. America is happy. Iraq is happy. And though terrorism isn't ended, we are better prepared when it returns.
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:07 pm
I don't even know where to start with that bit o' craziness. You seriously think lives don't matter? What is the point of who wins the war if everybody's dead? Really, what is the point of this war? It's not making us any safer. It's not making terrorism any less of a threat. Really, what is the point?
Oh, and you can't just use the argument of 'worse things happened in the past, so anything we do now is okay!' Past atrocities do not legitimize current ones.
Media is causing a problem? What, telling the American people what's going on? Information is a problem? You'd rather we all be massively uninformed and just 'support the troops' like sheep? Don't dare question the government? I don't understand your motives at all. Also, you failed to address any of my points, except that you don't care about life.
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:44 pm
I wanted to come in here and be like "umm. what?" but Koravin has most of my stuff covered.
Except one thing.
When do we win in iraq? Seriously. We went in because we said they had WMDs. Didn't find 'em. Whoops. Our bad. let's get out before we cause more trouble. But we didn't. Then we wanted to "spread democracy." What does it look like the majorities of iraqis agree with? "americans plz gtfo."
So when do we win?
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But now you're telling me we have to go to iran?
Wow. that whole iraq thing was a disaster.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:24 pm
From what I understand, victory in Iraq comes when Iraq is finally able to police itself to stop terrorism altogether. Whether you like it or not, we're in there and leaving now wouldn't help at all. All that would happen is that the different sects would continue to fight until someone once again took control of Iraq, possibly another Saddam Hussein.
So... yeah. On topic now. Do we complain too much? I dont know how much "too much" is. We've got the right to complain as much as we want. Our Foreskinsfathers gave us that right and hell, people are gonna use it. America is war-weary. We're fighting a war that we don't really understand, a war that has torn apart our government. The Republicans have their hearts in the right place in the fact that they want to help, but unfortunately, they dont know how to /not/ spend money and how to run a good "who-cares-if-we-hurt-someone's-feelings" type of war. And the Democrats, who all but three voted to send the troops to war, are now against it because the polls show that it is unpopular. Not only are they against it, they actually tried to vote to use a "slow-bleed" strategy; Denying troops food, weapons, ammo, tanks, clothing, water, anything that a soldier needed, just so that Bush would be forced to withdraw them.
God, this war sucks. But we can't leave until Iraq is stable and can police itself. We're only four years into a war and we're weary already. If America were a real person on a treadmill, she'd be a pudgy former gymnast who hasn't done a somersault in years.
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:44 pm
How long will it take for Iraq to meet those standards? How many decades must we stay? Why should we stay? Are we making any progress? Not that I can tell. It looks like a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation, so we may as well leave. Is it really worth it?
Oh, and we put Saddam in power, for the record. He was our buddy.
And did you really just call Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and the rest foreskins? You don't like our right to free speech?
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:57 pm
The Tragic Mime From what I understand, victory in Iraq comes when Iraq is finally able to police itself to stop terrorism altogether. Whether you like it or not, we're in there and leaving now wouldn't help at all. All that would happen is that the different sects would continue to fight until someone once again took control of Iraq, possibly another Saddam Hussein. Ah. I was wondering what it is exactly we're doing. So we want to stop terrorism? Like, you know, ied detonations from insurgents against american troops? ... How about we remove said american troops? The insurgents will probably be pretty placated by that, right? Looks like it would help the situation. And yes, another Saddam Hussein would probably take over. The Tragic Mime So... yeah. On topic now. Do we complain too much? I dont know how much "too much" is. We've got the right to complain as much as we want. Our Fore skinsfathers gave us that right and hell, people are gonna use it. Wholeheartedly agreed. Except the foreskins joke. I don't get it. The Tragic Mime America is war-weary. We're fighting a war that we don't really understand, a war that has torn apart our government. The Republicans have their hearts in the right place in the fact that they want to help, but unfortunately, they dont know how to /not/ spend money and how to run a good "who-cares-if-we-hurt-someone's-feelings" type of war. So they're supposed to run a war that is offensive to whoever, based on compassion? The Tragic Mime God, this war sucks. But we can't leave until Iraq is stable and can police itself. what exactly is the big hold up on that? The Tragic Mime We're only four years into a war and we're weary already. If America were a real person on a treadmill, she'd be a pudgy former gymnast who hasn't done a somersault in years. Well, you'd have to add to the analogy that the aforementioned person doesn't want to run on any treadmills unless absolutely necessary, and that we woke said person up in the middle of the night. Although it does make perfect sense; expending a lot of energy and just not getting anywhere.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:51 pm
Redtuskk Pull back everyone except 100 troops. Keep those 100 troops under cover and make pinpoint attacks on major terrorist leaders as they start to come out of hiding. This would not eliminate terrorism, but would create a power vacuum which would stop any large terroist attacks for a period of five months to one year. This would give the government in the area time to stabilize. Never been in the military, have you? Or...like...even played Risk?
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:41 pm
Without water...Yes.
We complain waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much.
End of story.
I SUPPORT THE WAR IN IRAQ, THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY PUSSIES IN THIS COUNTRY WHO CAN'T HANDLE THE POSSIBILITY OF... OF... TAKING LIFE TO GIVE A LOT MORE.
... There is no life
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:15 pm
Ab Aeterno-Ex Deo Without water...Yes.
We complain waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much.
End of story.
I SUPPORT THE WAR IN IRAQ, THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY PUSSIES IN THIS COUNTRY WHO CAN'T HANDLE THE POSSIBILITY OF... OF... TAKING LIFE TO GIVE A LOT MORE.
... There is no life
Hmm, really? Like what? What are we giving? What are we getting? What benefit is this war creating? Not liking the idea of killing doesn't make us pussies. The war is unjust, that is why I oppose it. The war is doing harm, why should I support it?
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:34 pm
Ab Aeterno-Ex Deo I SUPPORT THE WAR IN IRAQ, THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY PUSSIES IN THIS COUNTRY WHO CAN'T HANDLE THE POSSIBILITY OF... OF... TAKING LIFE TO GIVE A LOT MORE. We're not taking life to give a lot more, we're taking life. period. They're not coming here, there is no threat, I don't understand where people are getting the impression the iraqis are going to suddenly decide "IMPERIALIZM LAWLS"
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:48 pm
HomeBurger Ab Aeterno-Ex Deo I SUPPORT THE WAR IN IRAQ, THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY PUSSIES IN THIS COUNTRY WHO CAN'T HANDLE THE POSSIBILITY OF... OF... TAKING LIFE TO GIVE A LOT MORE. We're not taking life to give a lot more, we're taking life. period. They're not coming here, there is no threat, I don't understand where people are getting the impression the iraqis are going to suddenly decide "IMPERIALIZM LAWLS" Maybe since we're doing it, everyone else will start.
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