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Who do you think Pein is?
  Minato Namikaze (The Fourth Hokage)
  Naruto's unknown brother
  Naruto's future incarnation
  Someone else altogether
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Kanzeil Kurayami

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:01 am


Well I warned you in the title that this contains HUGE SPOILERS so if you continue to read at this point, it is all on you.

Still, because I am nice,

HUGE SPOILERS!!!
There, last warning
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Well it has been theorized for quite some time that Minato Namikaze(Fourth Hokage) was indeed the true identity of Pein, active leader of Akatsuki. However, up until the latest chapter (371), it was only speculation. We now have enough definitive evidence to prove that the fourth hokage is actually Pein.

The deciding factor was revealed recently in chapter 371: When Pein mentions Jiraiya, he refers to him as Jiraiya-sensei. Now as subtle as that is, remember this: Jiraiya is said to have been the one who trained the fourth hokage (first mentioned by Tsunade).

Remember, Naruto's father was recently revealed to be the Fourth Hokage. On top of that, Pein's hair style is quite similar to Naruto's (despite a difference in hair-color with Pein's being dark orange).

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Pein
User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Minato Namikaze (Fourth Hokage)
User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Naruto

So this leads me to this conclusion:

Naruto's father = Fourth Hokage = Pein.

To add to it, Jiraiya stated recently, there may have been another reason involved for Minato sealing the nine-tails into his son. He also mentioned that the nine-tails was actually "summoned" to the village during it's attack years ago. The only person who could summon the nine-tails, was said to be Madara Uchiha, the founder of the Uchiha clan. Now that brings up another connection between Minato Namikaze, Madara Uchiha, and the nine-tails demon. So if Tobi of Akatsuki is Madara Uchiha (which he claims he is) and if Fourth Hokage did seal the nine-tails in his son for a greater purpose, then it would make sense he would be involved in Akatsuki as Pein, along with Tobi (Madara) in which their current goal revolves around collecting the tailed demons.

Also interesting to note is that when Jiraiya encounters Konan, the female member of Akatsuki, Jiraiya tells her she has improved her jutsu and grown into a fine woman. Jiraiya obviously knows her so it leads me to believe that Konan was one of the three students trained by Jiraiya, the Fourth Hokage being another. This would explain why she serves as Pein's Akatsuki partner and why she even calls him by his name (instead of as leader as the other members of Akatsuki do).

Also, Pein has a chamber with six other versions of himself. As of yet it is unknown what this represents BUT, he just recently switched into one of these new bodies. The new body has longer hair and bigger piercings. Maybe this could lead to an explanation of how he became Pein as he is now?

Another interesting note is this. Remember when Orochimaru tried to summon the fourth hokage after summoning the first two? He was interupted before the coffin could be opened. Sounds like well-hidden foreshadowing to me. I wonder if Orochimaru had succeeded in completing the ritual, would the coffin have been empty?

Oh and on a side note, I guess I will quickly state the other theories floating around about Pein's identity.

1.) Naruto's future incarnation. Now as dumb as it sounds, it could possibly hold some merit. I personally don't believe this one but I admit I could be wrong.

2.) Naruto's half-brother (on his mother's side). This could also be possible as his moher hailed from the Whirlpool village. If she had another child he may have migrated to the rain village since both village titles suggest an affinity for water. Another theory I disbelieve however. The brothers fighting plot is already being used in this series with Sasuke and Itachi (which is actually my next plot theory, see my other thread).

3.) Asuma Sarutobi's brother, Konohamru's father, Third Hokage's son. Yea, this one makes no sense to me either. I don't see where in the plot that would come into play. Granted, we have not really seen this character yet but I still doubt he will ever play a major role.

Well that is all for now. Please feel free to add to my theory or even try to argue it. Just be warned, I am not just another novice trying to figure out the plot. I am a skilled writer and studying plots is my specialty. Haha, I will not hold back when it comes to proving my point across or in proving a point wrong if I have to!

Well, enjoy!
PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:28 pm


Heres your answer to all this so called speculation but it might not all be this here, this is just what i found out, i searched for a few hours decoding japanese magna from over the world and i found out that this is the true identity of the forth hokage (Minato Namikaze):

WARNING!!! THIS IS THE ULTIMATE SPOILER IN THE WHOLE NARUTO SERIES I WARN YOU, IF U DONT WANNA SEE THIS DONT LOOK BEYOND THIS POINT!!!
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This is your last warning, im warning you if u dont want to look and still look dont blame me...

The forth hokage (Minato Namikaze) was reincarnated by someone (i have yet to find out who) and he is under control by that person, thats the pure point of his the six chambers with the other forms, he will switch from body to body when needed (reason for the bodies is so he dosent get found out) also there is speculation that Konan helped in reincarnating the forth hokage (Minato Namikaze) this also means that when Orochimaru tried to bring back the forth hokage(Minato Namikaze) that his coffin would be empty which tells that orochimaru did bring back the forth hokage (Minato Namikaze).

This is also some of the "other" spectulation that i found that might be true...

1.) The forth hokage (Minato Namikaze) has amnesia and thinks hes Pein, this might have some truth, but it really isnt that much supported.

2.) Pein is completly not the forht hokage (Minato Namikaze), Pein is just lieing to get credit for what he isnt, and Konan is brainwashed by Pein to believe him, i totally dont believe this one, but it might also be true.

Wells thats what i found out, and this isnt all set in stone just yet, it still might be changed in the future.

Hope you enjoy all the work i did.

TwilightFyre -Zero-


TwilightFyre -Zero-

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:34 pm


lol, i think i hit all the nail into the coffin on that, i guess i got no one to tell me that its incorrect, and i guess im 100% correct.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:12 pm


he is someone else... a person named nagato, and a former student of jaraiyaSPOILERS SKIP IF U WANT 2 FIND OUT 4 URSELF

mangekyou anbu itachi


TwilightFyre -Zero-

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:15 pm


nagato is one of his many forms... he has many forms.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:17 pm


nagato is his origanal form it is the one he had when raised by jaraiya

mangekyou anbu itachi


TwilightFyre -Zero-

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:30 pm


... whatever, i guess i read all the subbed naruto anime for nothing then...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:05 pm


Ok Ok, I take it all back. Damn it, I admit that I was wrong. Pein is not the fourth Hokage despite his uncanny resemblance to Naruto in his 1st body. Yes, he is a ninja from the Hidden Rain village named Nagato who possesses the Rinnegan (Transmigration Eye). I know, I know. I feel stupid enough. Although I doubt it at this point, maybe he still has some kind of relation to Naruto through his mother? But as of now, I really doubt it. Damn you andyour similar hairstyle Pein!

But I still firmly believe Tobi is Madara Uchiha and that Madara has been possessing other Uchiha members.

Kanzeil Kurayami


mangekyou anbu itachi

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:14 pm


either that or obito uchiha
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:49 pm


Could be, I mean, the whole one eye thing is kind of a little too coincidental, especially since Tobi's one showing eye is his right and Obito lost his left meaning he would only have a right eye....

Kanzeil Kurayami


TwilightFyre -Zero-

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:30 pm


One thing that i knwo for certain, OBITO UCHIHA AND TOBI ARE THE SAME!!!
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:33 am


that maybe true and may not... you never know.....

mangekyou anbu itachi


TwilightFyre -Zero-

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:45 am


ive already found out.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:00 am


w/e...

mangekyou anbu itachi


ShamiraStrider

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:09 pm


There's no way that pein is Naruto's dad! Pein and Minato may look similar, but I can tell the differences and there are way to many for that to be Naruto's father. The hair's too different, for one thing. The eyes, even the shape of the head is different. PEIN IS NOT MINATO!!!
Oh, and those of you who think Tobi is Obito... DEAD WRONG!!! It is, actualy Madara Uchiha. Trust me, my friend knows EVERYTHING about the Uchiha. She even found a website to read manga, english translated, and read the chapters about that. Tobi is Madara, and Pein is NOT Minato Namikaze.
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