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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:26 pm


A common controversy in the Discdom is this - Do you go Rincewind, Luggage, all that, or do you go with the newer books? A lot of fans who started with CoM really disliked MR and most of the books afterwards. There are people who dislike the darker themes in the newer books. Personally, I started with the new books and have trouble reading the old ones. I get so angry at Granny Weatherwax in Equal Rites - She just doesn't have the same 100% percent all-cylinders-firing, set-in-stone, don't-you-take-that-tone-with-me-Death-I'll-put-you-over-my-knee attitude. She's more essentially Female, with a capital eff. She's got the basics down, but I like her more later, when she's willing to stare down the sun.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:22 am


I like the later books. Or, rather, the middle books because I'm not much of a fan of the Tiffany and Moist ones, either. xd

Merily


SamekhMem

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:57 pm


Ooh, tough one...I own them all (the novels, not the Science of Discworld books), and am usually reading (at least) one at any given time. I enjoy them all, but if I had to choose, it would be the later books. There is so much material in the earlier books to build upon, and Night Watch and Thud rank among my favorites.

However, so do Soul Music, The Last Continent, and Witches Abroad...and the Rincewind of The Color of Magic seems to be pretty much constant wherever he is. There isn't a book that I haven't re-read a few times. They are all that good to me! And there aren't too many authors that I would be able to say that about....
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:19 pm


I like a fair mix. I've read older ones, and newer ones. And although I have no opinon on which books themselves are better, the later ones are better written. Bear in mind that he has been writing Discworld for, oh, 23 years now. Technically (as in the mechanics of writing), the new books are better, but in terms of content.....

Kettch


SamekhMem

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:15 am


And as far as darker themes go, you'd have to go farther back than that...Carpe Jugulum is in the same vein, and was written several books before Monstrous Regiment. (Lords & Ladies seems to me to tend towards the dark side as well...)
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:03 am


I've started from TCOM and I have trouble re-reading the earlier books too. As far as Rincewind goes, I think he'd actually taken a step backwards after Sourcery. The reason I'd begun to like him in the first place was that he seems to be what every wiz(z)ard shouldn't or isn't, yet he is still convinced there isn't anything he could possibly be. I had thought that Terry would use the Rincewind books to explore what it really meant to be a wizard, but these days he just used Rincewind to run around and...well, run around. I've heard Terry express that he hasn't developed Rincewind much because there isn't really much room for that sort of character to develop. But I don't really think so.

Daumier


Kettch

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:08 pm


He's right. As a writer, I know that developing characters isn't as easy as people always think. Sure as Hell isn't as easy as I thought at first. If a writer says there isn't much more he can do to develop one of his own characters, I'd tend to go with it. Especially with a character such as Rincewind. He tends to add more of an...exploratory nature to the Disc, and thats what I like about seeing him. Having an explorer travel around the world finding new places and people is pretty bog standard these days. But a perennial coward? It's a novel idea. And because of the nature of Rincewind, he had to do much of the development pretty early on.

And dark themes suit dark, British humour. Being British, and since we have a reasonably dark sense of humour (there were quite a few dark jokes after the London tube bombings, many involving melting smarties in the tubes......maybe thats why they're hexagons now?), it's something that he can work with well, and most people worldwide appreciate dark humour. Thud! was very dark, but it was also very funny and very illuminating, as well as simply being a bloody good read. All of those work very well together
PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:37 am



I defenatly prefer the earlier books.

When I got Going Postal it took me a year of on-off reading to get though it because I found it just plain boring. Yet I took Guards! Guards! on holiday and read it in a day and half.

Once Making Money comes out in paper back, Ill read that and if thats the same dull "more complex" style Ill probably give up on the books.
You cant have a world standing on the back of 4 elephants that stand on the shell of a turtle that swims though space and have a searous story about it.

I think the sories started a nose dive with Monstrous Regement even though I quite liked that one, but Going Postal and Thud just plain bored me.
And I love the Vimes' stories! It was just such a dissapointment!

Chill morte


deFig

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:34 am


[Library Magi]
A common controversy in the Discdom is this - Do you go Rincewind, Luggage, all that, or do you go with the newer books? A lot of fans who started with CoM really disliked MR and most of the books afterwards. There are people who dislike the darker themes in the newer books. Personally, I started with the new books and have trouble reading the old ones. I get so angry at Granny Weatherwax in Equal Rites - She just doesn't have the same 100% percent all-cylinders-firing, set-in-stone, don't-you-take-that-tone-with-me-Death-I'll-put-you-over-my-knee attitude. She's more essentially Female, with a capital eff. She's got the basics down, but I like her more later, when she's willing to stare down the sun.


Seems like there's people arguing both sides here which is interesting. I have to say that even though there are elements, such as the luggage, that I really like from the older books the new ones are WAY above and beyond his earlier ones in terms of depth and content and so on. They're just way more intelligent and often much funnier because of that.

It's funny though how if you start at one end of your shelf and finish at the other end you can SEE his development and growth from book to book. Fantastic really, he must be some genius!
PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:43 am


While I do love the old books, I must say, I prefer the newer. You can tell, almost all of the characters evolve bit by bit as the Discworld seeries goes. You can really see it in Death, Nanny Ogg, Sam Vimes, and even Vetinari.

Madame of Toast


Kettch

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:52 pm


Why can you not have a serious story in a comical world? You can have comical stories in a serious world. Whats wrong with it the other way? There is only so much you can do when you just write for laughs all the time. He can do more with his stories, and with the talent he has, by making the books more complex, with cleverer twists and taking the characters into new and unexplored places
PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:26 pm


I liked the old books, and Color of Magic still has one of my all-time
favorite moments. I was brought back into reading the books after a
brief hiatus when I got Going Postal. I've had to have more ever since
(and thankfully, there's more than enough...). I love the serious themes
in the Watch books (and sometimes, it's hard to believe the same author
that could come up with someone as goofy as Rincewind can write
Commander Vimes and Vetrinari). Ankh-Morpork is as tough a town and
as hillarious as it needs to be, whatever story is being told. I've yet to
be anything but pleasantly satisfied by any of the books. And they have
all succeded in making me crack up laughing 3nodding blaugh rofl

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ensoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:57 pm


I think I'm with Chill, and casting a vote for the middle-of-the-road books. The older ones are relatively simple, and very dependent on fantasy, since the real-world satire creeps in more and more in the later books. I felt like everything from Guards! Guards! to Night Watch had a good balance of fantasy and serious themes, tending toward the fantastic.

CoM and the rest of the early series was funny, but mostly in a "Ha, I've played an RPG/read a fantasy novel, that's it EXACTLY" way, and the later ones are funny in a "Ha, I have to vote/feel responsible for global events/pay taxes, that's it EXACTLY" way.

Balance in all things, but I like the middle of the road. Reading for fun's always going to be kind of escapist for me, I don't need to be reminded of the real world and how unbalanced and untrustworthy everybody is ALL of the time. c:
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:55 pm


It really deppends on the story line and the characters. I love the Watch and Rincewind series, but I also like Going Postal and some of the others. ( I need to read more. ><)

PPTthethief


EvilFlibble

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:43 pm


I heart them all. The newer ones are written better because he's been writing longer, but the early ones are wonderful in their own way. I just read "Terry Pratchett: Guilty of Literature" last month and since then have been looking at a lot of his earlier writing in a different way. (I recommend TP: GoL to any fan who'd like to go deeper into literary analysis of PTerry's work.)
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