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MotherSky

PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:47 pm


This is taken directly from two pages of William Peter Blatty's, "The Exorcist".
I'm posting it here because I know that there are values to be had in these words, and that the more you study them the more you'll realize what the author has to say.

Here you are.

Quote:
"Then what would be the purpose of possession?" Karras said, frowning. "What's the point?"

"Who can know?" answered Merrin. "Who can really hope to know?" He thought for a moment. And then probingly continued: "Yet I think the demon's target is not the possessed; it is us,. . .the observers. . .every person in the house. And I think--I think think point is to make us despair; to reject our humanity, Damien: to see ourselves as ultimately bestial; as ultimately vile and putrescent; without dignity; ugly, unworthy. And there lies the heart of it, perhaps: in unworthiness. For I think belief in God is not a matter of reason at all; I think it finally is a matter of love; of accepting the possibility that God could love us. . ."

Again Merrin paused. He continued more slowly and with a hush of introspection. "He knows. . .the demon knows where to strike. . ." He was nodding. "Long ago I despaired of ever loving my neighbor. Certain people. . .repelled me. How could I love them? I thought. It tormented me, Damien; it lead me to despair of myself. . .and from that, very soon, to despair of my God. My faith was shattered. . ."

Karras looked up at Merrin with interest. "And what happened?" he asked.

"Ah, well. . .at last I realized that God would never ask of me that which I know to be psychologically impossible; that the love which He asked was in my will and not meant to be felt as an emotion at all. Not at all. He was asking that I act with love; that I do unto others; and that I should do unto those who repelled me, I believe, was a greater act of love than any other." He shook his head. "I know that all of this must seem very obvious, Damien. I konw. But at the time I could not see it. Strange blindness. How many husbands and wives," he uttered sadly, "must believe they have fallen out of love because their hearts no longer race at the sight of their beloveds! Ah, dear God!" He shook his head; and then nodded. "There it lies, I think, Damien. . .possession; not in wars, as some tend to believe; not so much; and very seldom in extraordinary interventions such as here. . .this girl. . .this poor child. No, I see it most often in the little things, Damien: in the senseless, petty spites; the misunderstandings; the cruel and cutting word that leaps unbidden to the tongue between friends. Between lovers. Enough of these," Merrin whispered, "and we have no need for Satan to manage our wars; these we manage for ourselves. . .for ourselves. . ."

The lilting singing could still be heard in the bedroom. Merrin looked up at the door and listened for a moment. "And yet even from this--from evil--will come good. In some way. In some way that we may never understand or ever see." Merrin paused. "Perhaps evil is the crucible of goodness," he brooded. "And perhaps even Satan--Satan, in spite of himself--somehow serves to work out the will of God."



There you have it. Look closely at everything--read slowly and understand what Merrin is saying. It is a beautiful, beautiful two pages. . .two pages that I will never forget.

Salaam~
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:15 pm


Interesting view. What's the book about? I suppose womething about exorcism, but...I know that the titles and the plot don't always go hand in hand. I have yet to figure out what Boondocks means.

Bing Huo


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:40 pm


We fear that god would not love us? He thinks that we'll see ourselves as ugly or bestial? Fat chance. Maybe some people see it that way, but not me. I certainly understand fearing that other people would spurn you but god? Never entered my mind. Never was that a despair of mine.

Blaming Satan for the small mean things in people? Giving god all the credit to god for the good we do? We are less than human then. We are but poorly played puppets whose strings are being pulled in by two puppeteers engage in tug of war. I don't buy into this all good comes from god crap. scream

Satan doing god's work. Not an original idea, but one with certain merits. Do you suppose then that god made satan so satan could suffer, make other people suffer, and test people? Purposely made a being he knew would eternally suffer?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:12 pm


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We fear that god would not love us? He thinks that we'll see ourselves as ugly or bestial? Fat chance. Maybe some people see it that way, but not me. I certainly understand fearing that other people would spurn you but god? Never entered my mind. Never was that a despair of mine.

Blaming Satan for the small mean things in people? Giving god all the credit to god for the good we do? We are less than human then. We are but poorly played puppets whose strings are being pulled in by two puppeteers engage in tug of war. I don't buy into this all good comes from god crap. icon_scream.gif

Satan doing god's work. Not an original idea, but one with certain merits. Do you suppose then that god made satan so satan could suffer, make other people suffer, and test people? Purposely made a being he knew would eternally suffer?


I'm so very sorry that you did not understand what was being said here. Let me. . .look at your statements.

First of all: The fact that the creature is trying to make them think they are ugly, bestial, and that God may not love them is directed primarily at them because of the fact they are religious.

I believe you aren't, so your first point is gone.

Secondly: Read the third paragraph more closely. He is FAR from blaming Satan for anything; rather, he is blaming us for managing our own small, petty strifes. "The cutting words that slip unbidden between the tongues of friends. Of Lovers. Enough of these."

He is most definitely far from blaming Satan.

The characters are not giving God the credit for all good we do--rather, very far from that. In fact, nowhere in the quote does it even mention the idea that God is responsible for all of our good acts. It only says that /maybe/ Satan himself works out eventually to do good. I'll let you read more closely to find out what the author is saying.

Again, read closely.

Salaam~

MotherSky


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:37 pm


MotherSky
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We fear that god would not love us? He thinks that we'll see ourselves as ugly or bestial? Fat chance. Maybe some people see it that way, but not me. I certainly understand fearing that other people would spurn you but god? Never entered my mind. Never was that a despair of mine.

Blaming Satan for the small mean things in people? Giving god all the credit to god for the good we do? We are less than human then. We are but poorly played puppets whose strings are being pulled in by two puppeteers engage in tug of war. I don't buy into this all good comes from god crap. icon_scream.gif

Satan doing god's work. Not an original idea, but one with certain merits. Do you suppose then that god made satan so satan could suffer, make other people suffer, and test people? Purposely made a being he knew would eternally suffer?


I'm so very sorry that you did not understand what was being said here. Let me. . .look at your statements.

First of all: The fact that the creature is trying to make them think they are ugly, bestial, and that God may not love them is directed primarily at them because of the fact they are religious.

I believe you aren't, so your first point is gone.

Secondly: Read the third paragraph more closely. He is FAR from blaming Satan for anything; rather, he is blaming us for managing our own small, petty strifes. "The cutting words that slip unbidden between the tongues of friends. Of Lovers. Enough of these."

He is most definitely far from blaming Satan.

The characters are not giving God the credit for all good we do--rather, very far from that. In fact, nowhere in the quote does it even mention the idea that God is responsible for all of our good acts. It only says that /maybe/ Satan himself works out eventually to do good. I'll let you read more closely to find out what the author is saying.

Again, read closely.

Salaam~

I know the author is not, but i know christians do. 'god is the good in all of us.' do you or do you not believe in that?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:44 pm


I believe that there are certain acts of Providence that have made me capable of doing good, but. . .

I am the one doing good. I have Free Will. And by Free Will I choose whether to do Good or not. God may play a part in this, or he may not; regardless, I do what good I can.

So, to answer your question: Yes and No. I do good on my own accord because I love seeing others smile; but it is because of certain events in my life that I think the way I do and have become capable of acting good.

Salaam~

MotherSky


Bing Huo

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:57 pm


(Hopefully to get this back on track.)

I recently read a book, Dissolution, which had some ideas that are similar to these. That sentence "Perhaps evil is the crucible of goodness," that one. Dissolution is about dark elves, elves who worship evil and chaos. The book explained some of it.

Goodness comes from evil. Imagine life without greed. Greed is basically the thought to better oneself, right? Imagine...if cavemen did not want to make things better for themselves, there would be no such things as cities. There'd be no civilization at all. And I gotta say, I like society fine. Some less than others, but that's alright.

Evil is the thing that spurred us to create this. Yet evil is, well, evil.

I can list a few acts of goodness that have nothing to do with evil, but pretty much anything major is because someone wanted to right a wrong. Evil begets sympathy and companionship. Some rather hard stuff to chew.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:18 am


I loved it. I really honestly did. It is so very true, especially regarding that beastial commentery. So often I find people shirk truths in their lives because they refuse to believe it has the capacity to make them experience love or reality.

Riviera de la Mancha

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