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 Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:42 pm
o.k. I am going to throw something in the wind *i am ducking as i wait for it to come back at me*. I was wondering what everyone thought on the recent movement that seems to have taken place this past year or so in the idea of removing Christ's divinity. For example 'The DaVinci Code, The Templar Revelation, etc'. Of course they are works of fiction and what not, but I must admit they are fun to read. It seems like there is a group of people that are trying to take down the pedestal that Christ has been placed on for thousands of years by linking the works of the Gnostics, etc. that were 'unincluded' when they were constructing the bible. Many books were left out and it is really fascinating to see new ones pop up, like the one that recently appeared by Mary Magdaline. It almost seems like the more modernized/educated humanity gets the more they turn there back on there religious beliefs or disprove the existence of God. Some shut down in order to protect there beliefs and reject all aspects of science and technology. It is sad in a way to see the extremists on both sides of the tug of war rope. Reading the books really doesn't effect me, although I must admit it is very interesting. *I can't spell sorry ahead of time*
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:46 pm
I think that peple are trying to change Jesus just to be able to relate to Him, but Jesus wasn't like us in most ways. He was perfect, yet He was still tempted. We need to be the ones who try to be more like Jesus, but we need to stop trying to change Him. We need to just be real and show God for who He really is.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:55 pm
I think it is fine that people have written those books and they are actually interesting, but not always right. My seminary teacher saw The DaVinci Code when it came out in theatre's and people came up to him yelling and asking if he believed it or not and that he should be saved. All my seminary teacher said was, "The day I let Hollywood teach me about God is the day I'm going to hell." The protestor left him alone after that.
All I am trying to say is that those books are fine and enjoyable, but not believable.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:06 pm
They're not exactly meant to be believable. They were for entertainment purposes, though they did incorporate very interesting facts and theories derived from some these findings. For me, it would make the bible more believable had they 'kept in' the parts where jesus was an adolescent and did some things that 'were not perfect.' I don't think he would have had a true experience has a human had he been perfect all the time. Had he shown more foibles than what is in the bible, then it would have shown that he really did know what it was like to be human. As it is, he really had an unfair advantage of 'being god' the whole time.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:40 pm
~Viva~Per~Amore~ I think it is fine that people have written those books and they are actually interesting, but not always right. My seminary teacher saw The DaVinci Code when it came out in theatre's and people came up to him yelling and asking if he believed it or not and that he should be saved. All my seminary teacher said was, "The day I let Hollywood teach me about God is the day I'm going to hell." The protestor left him alone after that. All I am trying to say is that those books are fine and enjoyable, but not believable. That is really wise. I think more people need to think like that, rather than freaking out about a fictional story. I read the DaVinci Code and I really liked it. I wasn't offended at all. I don't think the DaVinci Code was meant to be an attack on Christianity, it's just a story.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:31 pm
And what about the guys protesting the Harry Potter books and movies? xd rofl rofl rofl rofl
It's so funny it's sad.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:06 pm
biggrin yeah i totally understand that it is all entertainment, but I am amazed about how some people really become engrossed in it and actually believe it? wow, is all i can say. As for harry potter it is sad to see some people get really extreme on it. i did not let my daughter watch it until she was 7. not because of religious reasons, but just for the violence, etc. i really think kids need to be old enough to understand what is real and what is not real. i don't understand how harry potter could threaten christianity. maybe someone could explain tthat to me? that would be great!
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:21 pm
Quote: maybe someone could explain tthat to me? that would be great! Well it was the christians in England who demanded the death of the Druids and Wiccans and the Witch Trials of america speak for itself (both events were caused by ignorance and fear). It could also be seen as a form of blasphemy as if you're a witch or wizard, some spells are what could be considered divine miracles e.g walking on water or changing water into something else. In my experience, the christian community can take offense rather easily even if something isn't that big a deal. A famous example is a man in Manchester being arrested for wearing an offensive t-shirt and a man on a plane being ejected from the airport for having arabic writing on his shirt. Again, these fears are brought by misunderstandings and ignorance.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:11 pm
frogprincess007 biggrin yeah i totally understand that it is all entertainment, but I am amazed about how some people really become engrossed in it and actually believe it? wow, is all i can say. As for harry potter it is sad to see some people get really extreme on it. i did not let my daughter watch it until she was 7. not because of religious reasons, but just for the violence, etc. i really think kids need to be old enough to understand what is real and what is not real. i don't understand how harry potter could threaten christianity. maybe someone could explain tthat to me? that would be great! Yeah I agree, it's insane that some people believe that. We put far too much trust in our media, we're getting dependant on it. Although I do admit, Dan Brown wrote the book in a style that presented all of that information in a very believable way, it still blows my mind that some people take it seriously.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:18 pm
People are always striving to be part of something bigger. We all want a sense of purpose and meaning in our lives, and if we see something that arouses our curiosity follow it simply because we want something bigger and better than what is just sitting before us.
Sad, really, how many people can change what they believe in an instant.
The big thing that most people miss is the fact that a lot of the main stream fiction that is centered around Christ or the Bible is still fiction. I love it when someone cites coincidences and possibilities from the DaVinci Code as Evidence. I rofl, very, very hard.
Jesus was a man. However, he was also God. People can't seem to comprehend it; let me tell you what I believe.
I believe Jesus was 100% Human. As in, we're maybe only 2% Human. We've flown so far away from our original course that we can not be considered truly Human. I believe that Jesus was what we were meant to be, and that because of that, he was 100% in tune with The Lord.
He was still a man. He still could have loved. He still could have had children. But he was far beyond any normal man. Far.
Salaam~
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:24 pm
MotherSky I love it when someone cites coincidences and possibilities from the DaVinci Code as Evidence. I rofl, very, very hard. Quote: Jesus was a man. However, he was also God. People can't seem to comprehend it; let me tell you what I believe. I believe Jesus was 100% Human. As in, we're maybe only 2% Human. We've flown so far away from our original course that we can not be considered truly Human. I believe that Jesus was what we were meant to be, and that because of that, he was 100% in tune with The Lord. He was still a man. He still could have loved. He still could have had children. But he was far beyond any normal man. Far. Salaam~ Funny how people point to god after certain coincidences too. that is a double-edge blade you wield, ma'am. Call me inhuman then. I was like a radio tuned to his station, but all I ever picked up was static. I gave up pretending the static had some hidden meaning to it. I believe Jesus was 100% human too. He certainly was far above the other men in his time. His capacity for understanding was astounding, especially for his time period. He certainly understood enough to know that he could use faith to leave a lasting, almost imperterbable impression of his views of right and wrong where logic would not, since it had hardly developed at the time. I can honestly say I've done introspections of my own and come to many of the same conclusions he did, all without god entering any of it anywhere. By saying things come from god, the reason behind what we consider right from wrong rises above a mere man's opinion to the status of 'ultimate truth.' Jesus knew what he was about, and used it to benevolent ends. For that at least, i thank him.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:11 pm
We all strive for the same thing as men. It's just a great deal of us are mislead. We all want happiness. We all want peace.
Few are capable of taking those ideals and making examples out of them.
In my opinion, I believe Jesus was the son of God. However, I believe that because of personal experience with what I believe is Providence.
I see God in the faces of the poor and the lepers. The sick and the dying. The hurt and the saddened. The persecuted and the hated. I see him when they act to me with love, without a second thought.
However, I do believe that Heaven and Hell are not real places. I believe that a great deal of religion (or, at least, the Christian Faith) is simple ideals.
The ideal of dying and becoming one with God is a very beautiful thing. Heaven, indeed. But I do not believe it is a place. Far from it. I believe it is being in tune with what God is and has to say.
Hell can be considered any place lacking God or his ways of life. Thus, we can look at our personal lives as hell. However, even if we do no acknowledge religion, we can still live happily and with the right sets of beliefs and morals.
Striving to reach an ideal happiness--a set of values and morals and wisdom--is what we do. A great deal of us, sadly, have a long way to go. There are many, however, that have reached a point that could be called heaven simply because it is an ideal instead of a place.
If I were not religious, I would know for a fact Jesus was a man; the mere facts presented against him would convince. However, there would always be a doubt: What if he was real? What if he was really the son of a so called God?
I believe in him and The Bible. I have a stalwart faith I've gained through a great deal of pain. Heh. . .
Sorry for the rant.
Salaam~
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:10 am
Quote: We all want happiness. We all want peace. I don't want that at all. All I want is to be re-united with my VERY significant other and to have my revenge. Yes, that may give me happiness, but I'd still strive towards my revenge even if I knew it wouldn't make me happy.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:12 pm
That seems quite dramatic. Whoever must have separated yourself from her must be quite the devil.
I wish you luck, but don't condone your acts.
Salaam~
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:31 am
It will never fly; removing His divinity. It is an issue of faith, so to attempt to apply some science to it is just silly to me.
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