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Handmade Soldier

PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:47 am


Okay, everytime I open the newspaper and go to the editorial and opinnion pages, there are aways someone comparing Hugo Chavez with Hitler. I turn on the tv and watch the same stuff. And I just wanted to ask it this hate campaign towards him just happens where I live or does it happen in other places besides Venezuela?.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:29 am


*shrugs* Its the reductio ad Hitlerem logical fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

Lady Merewyn


UF6

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:55 pm


Lady Merewyn
*shrugs* Its the reductio ad Hitlerem logical fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
It's a generalization used by people as means to deamonize them on past figures that society thinks is bad.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:02 pm


It happens with all leaders people have problems with, or s**t not only leaders but everyone.

Contra mundus


Ransu

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:09 am


Basically the mass media of almost every country will not say anything good about Chavez. The reasons for this are the fact that they do not want socialism to happen in Venezuela or anywhere for that matter. The main thing the media wants to do is to make sure that Chavez gets as little support as possible. With no support it makes the struggle for socialism even harder.

If youwant to know more about Venezuela or Hugo chavez you can ask me any specific questions you want and I should probably be able to answer as I am a member of the Hands of Venezuela campaign.

You can also check out the website http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/

Also you should check out the video no volveran in the beggining there are some opening statements from Chavez, I found it to be quite powerful. http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/venezuela_dvd_no_volveran_3.htm The video is at the bottom of the page.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:13 am


Also in the video you will see that they compare Venezuelas right wing to being very much like hitler.

But Chavez being anything like hitler is quite plainly ridiculous.

Ransu


34616782446782 b76

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:16 pm


The CPUSA's current vice-chairman Comrade Elena spoke not so long ago on MSNBC regarding the Chavez government - the video ought to still be on their website (yes it was prime-time too :p).
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:37 pm


This makes me sick.

I don't understand how people can be so blind as to not see the motives behind the media in portraying Chavez as the devil. If anything, America was built on the ideals of socialistic prosperity, the Founding Fathers putting forth ideals much like modern socialistic ideals. If anything, Chavez is more of an american than our money grubbing, oil hungry, rotten pig stealing great great grandfather President...

Dom is Dom


The Leninator!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:08 pm


Ransu
Basically the mass media of almost every country will not say anything good about Chavez. The reasons for this are the fact that they do not want socialism to happen in Venezuela or anywhere for that matter. The main thing the media wants to do is to make sure that Chavez gets as little support as possible. With no support it makes the struggle for socialism even harder.

If youwant to know more about Venezuela or Hugo chavez you can ask me any specific questions you want and I should probably be able to answer as I am a member of the Hands of Venezuela campaign.

You can also check out the website http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/

Also you should check out the video no volveran in the beggining there are some opening statements from Chavez, I found it to be quite powerful. http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/venezuela_dvd_no_volveran_3.htm The video is at the bottom of the page.


Hard for some in the US to listen to the propaganda about the poverty Chavez brings Venezuala, partially because Venezuala is paying for heating for many in the Northern US.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:18 pm


The Leninator!
Ransu
Basically the mass media of almost every country will not say anything good about Chavez. The reasons for this are the fact that they do not want socialism to happen in Venezuela or anywhere for that matter. The main thing the media wants to do is to make sure that Chavez gets as little support as possible. With no support it makes the struggle for socialism even harder.

If youwant to know more about Venezuela or Hugo chavez you can ask me any specific questions you want and I should probably be able to answer as I am a member of the Hands of Venezuela campaign.

You can also check out the website http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/

Also you should check out the video no volveran in the beggining there are some opening statements from Chavez, I found it to be quite powerful. http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/venezuela_dvd_no_volveran_3.htm The video is at the bottom of the page.


Hard for some in the US to listen to the propaganda about the poverty Chavez brings Venezuala, partially because Venezuala is paying for heating for many in the Northern US.
What part? Because New England uses natural gas instead of heating oil and gets it from Canada and parts of the US along with all the states around the Great Lakes, though I see your point past that area.

As others said, its mainly the rich that believe this and those foolish enough not to think for themselves, which comprise a small amount of the population. Just they own the media so we hear them more often.

UF6


Symphonie_des_ Grauens

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:03 am


Dom is Dom
This makes me sick.

I don't understand how people can be so blind as to not see the motives behind the media in portraying Chavez as the devil. If anything, America was built on the ideals of socialistic prosperity, the Founding Fathers putting forth ideals much like modern socialistic ideals. If anything, Chavez is more of an american than our money grubbing, oil hungry, rotten pig stealing great great grandfather President...


Amen to this!!

You're absolutely right. The forefathers are probably rolling in their graves right now because of what america has become. domokun
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:04 am


Symphonie_des_ Grauens
Dom is Dom
This makes me sick.

I don't understand how people can be so blind as to not see the motives behind the media in portraying Chavez as the devil. If anything, America was built on the ideals of socialistic prosperity, the Founding Fathers putting forth ideals much like modern socialistic ideals. If anything, Chavez is more of an american than our money grubbing, oil hungry, rotten pig stealing great great grandfather President...


Amen to this!!

You're absolutely right. The forefathers are probably rolling in their graves right now because of what america has become. domokun


I agree competly. They would be outraged that we let women and Negros vote!

Steve Sage


PetersenSpuk

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:10 am


Symphonie_des_ Grauens
Dom is Dom
This makes me sick.

I don't understand how people can be so blind as to not see the motives behind the media in portraying Chavez as the devil. If anything, America was built on the ideals of socialistic prosperity, the Founding Fathers putting forth ideals much like modern socialistic ideals. If anything, Chavez is more of an american than our money grubbing, oil hungry, rotten pig stealing great great grandfather President...


Amen to this!!

You're absolutely right. The forefathers are probably rolling in their graves right now because of what america has become. domokun


What makes me angry isn't the fact that we are demonizing Chavez, but rather that when other dictators have made moves secure their own power, America tends to look the other way, unless they are against us. For instance Shah Reza Khan forced his people to dress like Europeans and had a seacret police that tore the veils of of Iranian women and made Mullahs have to sign a form to wear robes and preach the Qur'an, but since he was our b***h and gave us his oil, we didn't care. The Aparthied Party put up segregation and promoted racism in South Africa for decades, but they outlawed the Communist party making them America's ally. No, Chavez should not have silenced his opponents, but why do we point our finger at him whilst our own nation has been trying to bully Cuba into giving up on being the only working Socialist nation, or invaiding Iraq to gain a millitary beachhead in the middle east (like Israel wasn't good enough). We have become even more hypocritical as we have begun to torture prisoners without trial, the very thing we accused Castro of doing.
On a more topic related note, the United States may have aided rebels in a coup d'etat against Chavez in 2002, so if I were him I would certainly beleive Bush to be a "pedejo" or "el diablo."
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:59 pm


Disgusting, Hitler worked too hard fighting Communists to have his name sullied like this.

Koon


CrowNotAngelGRL

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:24 am


There's a thread in EDP where someone did that. You guys might wanna check it out. I'm trying my best to defend Chavez and someone called me a conservative troll. crying
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