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 Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:29 pm
I was reading through a couple of the arguments and debates that people have made in this guild and I see that people use verses from the Bible to prove something or go against something. Like in the homosexuality thread there are people that are saying that it is wrong by using Bible verses and the people that say it's right are also using Bible verses. Can the Bible be used for support by people that don't even have a relationship with God? What I mean by that is if someone does not have a relationship with God how can they use the Bible for support or to go against someone else? And, in my opinion, those people that don't believe in God at all are just taking the Bible and twisting the words/meaning to make themselves look right.
I probably just opened up a whole other argument. D;
I did not bring this up to make people angry or argue...I'm just asking.
Please do not get angry at me and reply with some huge rebuttal because that is not what I wanted to happen.
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:20 pm
I understand what you mean. Although I'm not mega-religious, I know what is right and wrong because I know God. And when people simply look at the bible simply as a text, instead of the Word of God, they twist it without any regard as to the original meaning. You're not the only one who has noticed people doing that, but, hey, what can you do...?
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:47 am
Thanks for bring that topic up. I have noticed the same thing as well. The problem is that you can't just tell them that they are wrong, even if they are, because that will turn them off from listening to you to start with. You could try to find other verses that would disprove the way they believe a verse is interpreted. But the problem with that is that they can still twist things to their own agenda regardless what you through at them. The best I know how to deal with that is to pray over them as you talk to them and God will guide your words. Another thing you have to keep in mind though as well is that you should keep an open mind if you want the other person to keep an open mind as well. It is a hard situation to deal with.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:18 am
This seems to happen alot in the ED forum. Everyone battles it out using the Bible or another text of choice to prove their point. One problem with that is if the one using said text isn't well versed in that particular subject it doesn't help their arguement. Also using a certain verse or two & twisting them makes issues worse for all. Some people want to learn more about a subject & can't when others are purposely twisting things around just to argue. Bible verses are easily twisted for ones arguements if that person refuses to aknowledge that each verse has verses above & below it that will help the readers understanding better of said verse. Also those that profess Jesus as their savior need to stand by each other. Help each other to a fuller understanding of Gods word. To many times I see fellow christians fighting because one is not willing to listen to the others view points. We must stand firm as one in the body of Christ.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:10 pm
Yeah, and sometimes the problem is that even some misguided Christians make this mistake as well. Instead of looking at the overall context of the Bible to help interpret the particular passage, they single out the passage and interpret it by itself, and this tends to lead to wrong interpretaations.
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:16 am
Well, if you're worried that people will be upset with you for asking this, then I applaud you for still asking =)
You asked, "Can the Bible be used for support by people that don't even have a relationship with God?"
To answer you're question in the only way that I can, without being confusing... Even the Devil can quote the scriptures to suit his own needs. If the Devil can, then obviously a human can as well.
Does that makes sense?
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:20 am
rolandgarros Yeah, and sometimes the problem is that even some misguided Christians make this mistake as well. Instead of looking at the overall context of the Bible to help interpret the particular passage, they single out the passage and interpret it by itself, and this tends to lead to wrong interpretaations. This is also true. And it's a sad thing. Sometimes Christians even look for scapegoats in the Bible so they can remain the way they are, instead of repenting from their ways. Some people do the same thing, but they dont even realize they're doing it. It's sad to see this happen in Christians (the twisting of the scriptures I mean), especially since it's hard to make them see what they're doing wrong. Also, a lot of people simply think the Bible contradicts itself, like with homosexuality or the interpretation of Hell for example, and then they think it doesn't matter what their views are on it. Like you said, they take things completly out of context.
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omega disciple rolled 2 4-sided dice:
4, 4
Total: 8 (2-8)
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:54 am
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:22 am
^ please post on topic.
in continuing, I agree with rolandgarros (sorry I don't know your name ^^; ). most of the time the person will just use a single verse to tell what they're saying, though if they were to post the verses around it, their argument would completely fall apart.
The other thing is working with different denominations. Some will say 'dancing is wrong' (ie: Wesleyan. I know because my parents are. never went to prom or anything in my life). You have Baptists, Methodists, Lutheran, and on an on the list goes. Their doctrines say different things and focus on only certain verses to get their point through, but when another verse is said that contradicts those beliefs it's kind of like they ignore it. I think that's where people say the Bible contradicts itself, because we seem to portray it that way.
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:55 pm
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