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DM_Melkhar
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:05 am


Here's a quote of mine from the Planes of Existence thread in the Fantasy Cafe...

DM_Melkhar
What do you say about the idea of past life regression on the spiritual level then? In my personal opinion as one of the Christian faith, I don't believe any of us have lived as another person before. It wouldn't make any sense if that were the case, because we have no memories of these past lives unless someone hypnotises us, and it would also mean that we are in fact not really ourselves or unique.

For a number of years now I have grown more spiritual with the growth of my faith. I know that's not everyone's cup of tea, but that's how I've felt in myself. I've been interested in fantasy and history before the 20th century for as long as I can remember, and over the last few years I've grown so attached to the renaissance and medieval times (especially renaissance), that I have a very powerful sense of longing for it.

I have clothes that are renaissance style that I only generally wear for going out to important places because the garments themselves are usually smart and I don't like casually lazing around in them because I don't want to spoil them. There's that, and everything to do with the renaissance and medieval times. I've become obsessed with tall ships, and I am greatly looking forward to my sailing experience in two weeks time. I will be visiting HMS Victory at the end of it and I'm just in awe of her, everything she stands for, and renaissance ships in general.

I live in one of the most historic cities in Europe, Norwich. It's in the same league as places like Prague, Paris, Dubrovnik and Rome. I am proud of mt city's heritage, although Prague held a much deeper feeling of history for me. While I was there, I grew so attached to it that part of me really didn't want to leave. Just the sound of ship's bells and the tolling bells of medieval churches, along with the vibrant, rich and haunting sound of cathedral organs. My soul wanders in the past, and despises a lot of things in the present.

Some people may say that I was once a person living in those times. I don't believe that. I believe I may have some kind of connection with someone or some people who lived back then and that the ESSENCE of their memories has flowed on to me. I don't remember their lives, but more the time they existed in. I'm not sure, but that's my feeling on past life regression.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:46 pm


I'm a spiritualist. We don't have memories from past lives for a reason. The most we can usually remember is a name. Now, we know all the truth in the world its only forgotten. The saying, in Ray Bradbury's, Farenheit 451, "Our mind is like a sieve." Is quite true. I do believe in past lives. That's what helps make us what we are today. For instance,

Sometimes you get dreams about the past in a logical order. Or you get deja vu in a place you have never ever been in before, what do you think that is?

I have many that would very well disagree with me on this. Quite so, if you do I honestly don't mind.

I've grown quite a lot since last November. More recently and with a rapid rate from Febuary on. By growth, I mean spiritually. I'm constantly unlocking, changing and finding the truth in things. My ideas/opinions/ thoughts change with what I find. Or strengthen with my findings.

I also believe most of our life we already planned out as spirits. That in this life we have planned what we want to learn and do. From my Mother's death last November I learned a lot from it. That was the start of my awakening. Since then I've progressed rapidly, as I mentioned above.

Also, if we didn't have past lives why do we feel such a strong connection with some things? For instance DM_Melkhar, you have the Renaissance tug and tall ships. I also have the Renaissance tug.

I think a lot of what we are now. Are based on what we learned and forgot in our past lives. We aren't meant to remember them. Its up to us to uncover that truth.

fariyroc


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:10 am


Those are interesting points. However I simply don't believe I have been someone else in the slighest. As a Christian I believe we are all individual and have individual souls. I think we have some kind of connection to people who lived before though, like it's a kind of inheritance.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:39 pm


This is all very deep. Like Mel, I have the Christian beleif that we are all individual spiritual persons. I can't say that to me that automatically rules out past lives, though in fact I am personally sceptical. But I do think that it is at least possible that a spirit could inhabit different bodies at different times - it's just that my religion does not teach that this is how it works (PM me if you want more in depth religious discussion). I beleive that our spirits existed in a spiritual world before we were born, similar to how our spirits go to a spiritual world when we die. Then as a Christian a believe in Resurrection, though I am still working on the particular kinks of it all. As for past live regression (here I mean by hypnosis) psycholgists report that far to many people "remember" themselves as famous people, and there are also repeats. I think what Mel said is more likely - we can access past memories without them necessarily having been ours. I once read a whole book about the preservation of memories in the fabric of the universe. I also once heard that informatin can never be truly destroyed.

SirKirbance


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:49 pm


What you said about the preservation of memories/information, SK, pretty much sums my thoughts about accessing memories from people who have died. The past that I feel so close to is now so forlorn when I see and hear of people killing one another on the streets because they think it's cool, and the rise of new technology and new architecture that just isn't intriguing or awe-inspiring at all, along with kids destroying their lives with having children far too early in life or taking drugs. I don't know whether someone wanted me to sympathise and connect with their era to show me how much better off we were then. It may be possible.

I feel so close to the renaissance/middle ages and medieval times that I feel like that's the world I should have always been in. Sure hygiene wasn't great, disease spread and many cures were unheard of, and life wasn't great unless you were rich, but I feel so strongly about those times and I honestly believe that the world was far better off like it was than it is today. The world I created for my novels conforms to renaissance/medieval times, but with a tad more intelligence towards certain things like medicine (natural remedies and such like what the Chinese use).

Yes, I like computers, videogames/consoles, and being able to get around quickly in a car, train or plane, but way back when people used horses - sometimes with carts, or they walked. We didn't know any better. I'm going sailing on a tall ship next week. It will be a proper tall ship experience, but of course there's health and safety laws so you have wear harnesses and such, and everything below deck is modern. Either way I'm going to enjoy myself one heck of a lot and I know I'll want to keep doing it again and again and again.

I do feel I have a significant connection with ships and pirates, but also everything else like castles, cathedrals/churches.

For example...which is more awe-inspiring, interesting and intriguing to you out of the following two pictures...?

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That huge ugly great cucumber/rocket-shaped office tower in London?

OR...

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Something of the same architectural mastery as Lincoln Cathedral?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:19 pm


Past memories don't and do belong to us. At least its what our spirit has been through, learned, ect. We are different in each life. Yet we grow. That's at least what I see on that.

I don't think information is destroyed its just forgotten. You have to search for truth. Which can be very hard to do sometimes.

fariyroc


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:01 pm


Yeah, it's one of those creepy yet very interesting and intriguing factors of life that we can never TRULY make sense of.

However, that can't be an end to the discussion....
sad
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:33 am


Mel made some good points there, but I can't say I really agree with all of them. I wouldn't say that life was better off back in the renassaince (or any other time) than today. It depends on what is most imortant to you, but there are some myths today that people in the past were less violent or more moral. These things are not true. I have heard many times how violence and sexuality in the media are evils or our modern age, but in reality the evils are not new - just they take a new form. Besides the diseases and such, people in the past were far less tolerant of other races and religions. Every time periood has its problems.

As for architecture, I am fascinated by it from all periods. I can't say that I am more or less impressed by either of the pictures that Mel showed. In fact there is a Catholic Church near my house that I like the architecture on just because it looks nothing like what you would expect a church to look like. Mostly the different styles look most odd when placed next to eachother. If there is one thing that is more impressive about older architecture it is that people were able to build such huge and beautiful buildings without the use of madern machinery and engineering. However this was also a weakness. When studying medieval art and architecture in college the professor taught us how many cathedrals fell down during construction because they lacked the engineering principles to plan the buildings in advance - it was basically trial and error.

But, to stay on topic, there is nothing wrong with feeling a connection to the past. But it is just easy to romanticize the past by emphasizing the positive points while forgetting the negative.

SirKirbance


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:28 pm


The world in modern times is wholeheartedly selfish. I hunger for a world that has long since passed where wars were still fought but the weapons couldn't destroy the planet, and daily life was simple and not reliant on vehicles that choke the atmosphere and corrode it, and computers that drag people away from real life.

I know I am guilty of conforming to these things, but that doesn't mean I can't wish it were different and like it was in the past. Hygiene is something else entirely.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:39 pm


Actually... there are a number of books out in the last 7-10 years discussing reincarnation from a Christian perspective--they address the individuality of souls, salvation, and a number of other topics from a Bible-based scriptural viewpoint. Very deep and interesting stuff. As an informed, Bible-believing, sacramental and born-again Christian, I believe in reincarnation strongly. I'm really glad this discussion is here!

Jasta,
Who really wants to be IN that pic of Lincoln Cathedral... whether now or way back when!

JastaElf
Crew


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:01 am


As I've said before, I believe more in the reincarnation of other variables of life, but for humans I think our souls are very specific to us and moreover "individual". We're all different, and I don't believe I lived in the past possibly as a housewife with several children who's father worked in mines. However, I do believe that we can be connected to such people in one way or another.

If we were reincarnated, then why can we not remember our pasts? The only way to do that is to go in for past life regression and be hypnotised. Certainly, I believe we all have connections but haven't lived before. It'd defeat the purpose of being individual completely.

And what did you mean by that last line in your post about Lincoln Cathedral?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:27 am


Actually, according to the experts there are any number of ways--including particularly vivid dreams--to "see" past lives. I've talked to a lot of folks who have amazingly strong, later-proven-accurate recollections that they could not have studied in school or previously had no inclination to research. Pretty cool, actually... I suppose one could explain it by some kind of collective consciousness, or energy impressions being left in places for others to pick up on.

I have been hypnotised, and the results were interesting. I also apparently had quite a conversation with a nursing sister when coming out of anaesthesia once after an operation... smile

As for the line about Lincoln Cathedral... when I look at that picture I want to be there. I feel drawn to it; I've always loved Cathedrals anyway, but that particular architectural style is very compelling for me. If I could be there right now I'd be happy because I'd get to tour it (never have); if I could be there back in time, say to when it was new or when it figured in any of a number of historic situations, that would be fun too. smile I love history and often think about what it would be like to go back in time: how to fit in, what to say, what not to say, how to get along... how to get back to Now...

JastaElf
Crew


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:13 am


Look up: Norwich Cathedral, Norwich Roman Catholic Cathedral, Norwich Castle, and Elm Hill (also in Norwich). I'd also suggest looking at York Minster.

I definitely I have some connection with the renaissance times, and ships especially. When I saw HMS Victory (see the thread about her and Nelson), I had a feeling SO profound I don't really know what it was or why, and inside I could feel something of the men that worked on board her, and also something of Admiral Lord Nelson himself.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:53 pm


I happen to live in London, and not all of it is built up into towers and flats.

If you take back streets you can find so much history and life there. In my own opinion the sooner I leave the better I hate it.

Now places like Norwich and Prauge (though not been to the latter) I would love to live there. But also Japan I know it's all new...but I mean the old samuari valleges it's just..where I belong. I have different views and expectations to Mel (though mostly the same, I just love to sit on a hill and watch th wold go by, with what I know..I love to sit and look at a castle or whaever because to me..that's my history and what I want to learn about. I just love to go anywhere and see anything old. But one place that I truly beong in is Norwich. I could stay there forever and be happy.

I has so much history, even though it's slightly built up..I could die a happy woman heh.

Dragoon_Arcadia
Crew


DM_Melkhar
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:57 pm


Thread title - "Past Life Regression".
It's alright to mention London's history Mandy, but this is about someone's personal feelings towards certain eras in history and what we believe.

Some people believe they have lived before, whereas I believe we may inherit memories and feelings of attachment to certain historical things because otherwise those feelings would be lost. That's what this thread is about.
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