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 Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:27 pm
Going against authority, no matter what the media tell you, does not make you special, especially when it comes to half-baked conspiracy theories.
I'm pretty sure we've all seen at least one movie where a lone hero is getting a raw deal from The System, but then decides to go against it, totally turning The System on its head. Underdog: 1. System/Authority: 0.
Seriously, it really shoots my goat when li'l rebels attempt to "expose the system" with half-truths and crappy organizational skills. Of course, it's all to make themselves feel better or to get their name in the papers or television news and not to fulfill the basic duties of a citizen.
It's really a sad state of affairs when kids go to crappy protests to "enjoy the experience". It's not about enjoying any ******** experience: it's about sending out a message with a group of folks who hold the same idea to the folks in the higher-ups in the system so they can get a clue. When protests are slapped together just so you can be a little rebel, they tend to not get the point across and most times end up just being a gnat at the officials' picnic.
No, the government is not out to get you. And no, we shouldn't end up in the Orwellian negative utopia where the laws are so tight we can barely breathe. If anything, they'd pass unconstitutional laws because ya'll are so distracted by the crappy protests and conspiracy theories that you aren't paying attention.
It's not about you. It's about the community. Get the ******** over it. Want to discuss how fun an experience is? Do that with your friends; the folks who really give a damn about the matter at hand don't care.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:37 pm
As a teenage anarchist I suppose I'm guilty of this though I believe in a much more subtle style. Education Organization Liberation
Most people skip the Education process and go right into clogging up city streets demanding things they dont even understand. The true anarchists dont participate in such idiocy instead they keep a low profile and look out for the common man in any way they can (workers unions). In the U.S. there hasnt been any real need for rebellion until the Patriot Act and most kids these days dont even know what that is. I suppose it cant be helped though once their hormones calm down so will they and give up all this pointless rebellion nonsense.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:05 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:11 am
... I don't understand anarchists. It's basically impossible to have no form of government. By this I mean that the second a government is overthrown there are small sects of people that immediately organize and form there own temporary governments until a larger one is set in place.
I personally don't feel like going through civil upheaval just because some piss ant kid doesn't like some law.
Although the Patriot Act is ridiculous... good thing there's an election next year.
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:37 pm
Devious Delilah ... I don't understand anarchists. It's basically impossible to have no form of government. By this I mean that the second a government is overthrown there are small sects of people that immediately organize and form there own temporary governments until a larger one is set in place. I personally don't feel like going through civil upheaval just because some piss ant kid doesn't like some law. Although the Patriot Act is ridiculous... good thing there's an election next year. I probably should explain what anarchists would do to remedy that situation but I've had to explain myself so many times I have lost all motivation to do so so like a lazy ******** I'll just link a website http://www.anarchosyndicalism.net/archive/display/238/index.phpheres the conclusion Charting the Road to Freedom Anarchists are not so naive as to expect the installation of the perfect society composed of perfect individuals who would miraculously shed their ingrown prejudices and outworn habits on the "day after the revolution." We are not concerned with guessing how society will look in the remote future when heaven on earth will at last be attained. But we are above everything else, concerned with the direction of human development. There is no "pure" anarchism. There is only the application of anarchist principles to the realities of social living. The one and only aim of anarchism is to propel society in an anarchist direction. Thus viewed, anarchism is a believable, practical guide to social organization. It is otherwise doomed to Utopian dreams, nor a living force.
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:00 pm
Still doesn't make sense. Anarchism isn't the process of rebuilding; it's only the process of tearing apart. Governments both old and recent always fall, and then the next takes rise. Sure, we could speed it up or slow it down, but in the end we won't be the ones in power.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:13 pm
Devious Delilah Still doesn't make sense. Anarchism isn't the process of rebuilding; it's only the process of tearing apart. Governments both old and recent always fall, and then the next takes rise. Sure, we could speed it up or slow it down, but in the end we won't be the ones in power. if humanity cannot be in control of their lives then life in itself is pointless If you fight tooth and nail for your freedoms till the day you die your life will still hold more meaning than that of someone who simply handed them over In the end whether or not the fight was pointless makes little difference to those who fought
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:30 pm
AnarKissed Devious Delilah Still doesn't make sense. Anarchism isn't the process of rebuilding; it's only the process of tearing apart. Governments both old and recent always fall, and then the next takes rise. Sure, we could speed it up or slow it down, but in the end we won't be the ones in power. if humanity cannot be in control of their lives then life in itself is pointless If you fight tooth and nail for your freedoms till the day you die your life will still hold more meaning than that of someone who simply handed them over In the end whether or not the fight was pointless makes little difference to those who fought I'm sorry, but I refuse to give my life meaning through anarchy. I'll do it through helping others, and protests. I personally think everyones life has meaning regardless of what they fight for. You seem to have a bit of a clouded view just like every other anarchist out there.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:55 pm
Devious Delilah AnarKissed Devious Delilah Still doesn't make sense. Anarchism isn't the process of rebuilding; it's only the process of tearing apart. Governments both old and recent always fall, and then the next takes rise. Sure, we could speed it up or slow it down, but in the end we won't be the ones in power. if humanity cannot be in control of their lives then life in itself is pointless If you fight tooth and nail for your freedoms till the day you die your life will still hold more meaning than that of someone who simply handed them over In the end whether or not the fight was pointless makes little difference to those who fought I'm sorry, but I refuse to give my life meaning through anarchy. I'll do it through helping others, and protests. I personally think everyones life has meaning regardless of what they fight for. You seem to have a bit of a clouded view just like every other anarchist out there. I never said they didnt have meaning nor did I ever say only anarchists lead meaningful lives. If someone willingly enslaves themselves under an oppressive rule that is wasted potential just look at some of the great thinkers of renaissance if they listened to the catholic church and stopped all their "heretical" research where would we be now ask yourself if galaleo stopped his research when he was commanded to would his life have been as meaningful as it is now?
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:44 pm
AnarKissed Devious Delilah AnarKissed Devious Delilah Still doesn't make sense. Anarchism isn't the process of rebuilding; it's only the process of tearing apart. Governments both old and recent always fall, and then the next takes rise. Sure, we could speed it up or slow it down, but in the end we won't be the ones in power. if humanity cannot be in control of their lives then life in itself is pointless If you fight tooth and nail for your freedoms till the day you die your life will still hold more meaning than that of someone who simply handed them over In the end whether or not the fight was pointless makes little difference to those who fought I'm sorry, but I refuse to give my life meaning through anarchy. I'll do it through helping others, and protests. I personally think everyones life has meaning regardless of what they fight for. You seem to have a bit of a clouded view just like every other anarchist out there. I never said they didnt have meaning nor did I ever say only anarchists lead meaningful lives. If someone willingly enslaves themselves under an oppressive rule that is wasted potential just look at some of the great thinkers of renaissance if they listened to the catholic church and stopped all their "heretical" research where would we be now ask yourself if galaleo stopped his research when he was commanded to would his life have been as meaningful as it is now? I can see what you're trying to say, but I always viewed that as rising against unjust circumstances. Which isn't really anarchy, it's more the natural eb and flow of government in and of itself. I do believe that if the government in my country was doing something horribly unjust, I'd probably do my darnedest to stop it or overthrow it. I don't think of that as anarchy. I think the term anarchist is misleading, and used only for shock value(for lack of a better term). Especially with the dumb a** teeny boppers that think it's neat to be against any form of authority, which is a bit beside the point of our conversation. But it does tie it back to the OP. XD
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:53 pm
AnarKissed .... just look at some of the great thinkers of renaissance if they listened to the catholic church and stopped all their "heretical" research where would we be now ask yourself if galaleo stopped his research when he was commanded to would his life have been as meaningful as it is now?
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:43 pm
Devious Delilah AnarKissed Devious Delilah AnarKissed Devious Delilah Still doesn't make sense. Anarchism isn't the process of rebuilding; it's only the process of tearing apart. Governments both old and recent always fall, and then the next takes rise. Sure, we could speed it up or slow it down, but in the end we won't be the ones in power. if humanity cannot be in control of their lives then life in itself is pointless If you fight tooth and nail for your freedoms till the day you die your life will still hold more meaning than that of someone who simply handed them over In the end whether or not the fight was pointless makes little difference to those who fought I'm sorry, but I refuse to give my life meaning through anarchy. I'll do it through helping others, and protests. I personally think everyones life has meaning regardless of what they fight for. You seem to have a bit of a clouded view just like every other anarchist out there. I never said they didnt have meaning nor did I ever say only anarchists lead meaningful lives. If someone willingly enslaves themselves under an oppressive rule that is wasted potential just look at some of the great thinkers of renaissance if they listened to the catholic church and stopped all their "heretical" research where would we be now ask yourself if galaleo stopped his research when he was commanded to would his life have been as meaningful as it is now? I can see what you're trying to say, but I always viewed that as rising against unjust circumstances. Which isn't really anarchy, it's more the natural eb and flow of government in and of itself. I do believe that if the government in my country was doing something horribly unjust, I'd probably do my darnedest to stop it or overthrow it. I don't think of that as anarchy. I think the term anarchist is misleading, and used only for shock value(for lack of a better term). Especially with the dumb a** teeny boppers that think it's neat to be against any form of authority, which is a bit beside the point of our conversation. But it does tie it back to the OP. XD theres always "anarcho-syndicalist" I usually introduce myself as that if I'm worried I'll be tied in with the silly teens my point is this is what anarchists do in this day and age they dont try to otherthrow governments for shits and giggles they look out for the common man and get in the middle of large corporations/religions/governments and the average joe they try to make sure these organizations dont get too powerful and start oppressing people this is why many anarchists are active in workers unions and things of that nature and ya galileo did denounce his research but he still continued seperate research afterwards which is better than being accused of heresy and killed he did betray the trust of his powerful catholic friend when he wrote a book on his theories which just royally ******** him over :<
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