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ChikiMongo
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:29 pm


I just had a bunch of valuable things stolen from me and at first, I kinda freaked out, but i quickly turned to God and prayed about it. He gave me peace and helped me realize that they were only wordly possesions. Then I remembered about a day at church where we learned that if anything is stolen from us...whether it's material, or friendships, basically anything we once had, but lost...that it's Satan taking it from us and we can demand it back from him. He has to return it to us sevenfold...he doesn't have a choice! What a fool he is! So I did that. I then realized that God is all about justice and I trustrd Him to take care of it. I was walking around. praising him...part of the song was, "do not let me be put to shame, nor let my enemies triumph over me....my hope is You". About 3 hours later, we got a call from the cops saying that they found the guys who had our stuff. The funny thing is, they tried to steal one of my jewelry boxes, thinking there was something valuable, but it was only filled with tacks...lol. They also stole some of my prescription drugs, so they got arrested for possesion also. God took care of it and I believe it was because I put mu trust in Him heart biggrin
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:03 pm


That's so cool. God is awesome!!! blaugh

DarthSmitty


The Kaptain

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:22 am


Satan didn't take anything. It's impossible.

The physical Satan (The Dragon, The Serpent, The Deceiver) was cast down into the earth (Revelations 12:9) where he remains. Through the study of demonology and christian mythology, the being known as Satan was deliberatly cast into hell to punish those cast into the 9th Circle of hell.

Satan is a 'get out free' card often used by the church. Satan is hebrew for Adversary or Enemy so blaming something on your enemy is something natural. Say if your car was stolen, Satan didn't do it but someone who you would (now at least) consider your enemy stole it.

If you're looking to blame it on someone cast out from heaven, then it'd be Lucifer. I cannot find the bible quote which states this (sadly) but he was damned to wander aimlessly over the earth for the rest of eternity where he sometimes chooses to cause chaos. The real question is: Why doesn't god prevent this chaos? He perfectly capable to and yet he never does.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:03 pm


The Kaptain
Satan didn't take anything. It's impossible.

The physical Satan (The Dragon, The Serpent, The Deceiver) was cast down into the earth (Revelations 12:9) where he remains. Through the study of demonology and christian mythology, the being known as Satan was deliberatly cast into hell to punish those cast into the 9th Circle of hell.

Satan is a 'get out free' card often used by the church. Satan is hebrew for Adversary or Enemy so blaming something on your enemy is something natural. Say if your car was stolen, Satan didn't do it but someone who you would (now at least) consider your enemy stole it.

If you're looking to blame it on someone cast out from heaven, then it'd be Lucifer. I cannot find the bible quote which states this (sadly) but he was damned to wander aimlessly over the earth for the rest of eternity where he sometimes chooses to cause chaos. The real question is: Why doesn't god prevent this chaos? He perfectly capable to and yet he never does.


Satan and Lucifer are the same thing! And it is posible for him to take things because he is the Prince of deceit, so though it may not be him physically stealing from us, it is his influence.

Satan was cast to the Earth and put in charge of hell. While he doesn't rule on earth, he is still capable of messing with people.

God won't just prevent caos from happening because if He just did everything for us, we would have no reason to have faith in him. He wants us to be able to turn to Him in the midst of caos so that He can comfort us and when we know the comfort and peace that God gives us, we can then comfort others. When we have that strength from God, we can overcome our obsticals, but we need Him. We can't do it alone, but He's not just gonna do it for us.

ChikiMongo
Vice Captain


Riviera de la Mancha

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:00 pm


While I would not go so far as to say it was Satan who took them, I do believe that God helps a great deal to put things into perspective for us people of the faith. At times, I know at least for my self, I can get way too attached with things, and when I have lost them, it makes me see how much I was dependent on them. Not having them allows me to find my center and focus on that which leads to my true happiness.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:35 pm


That's wicked. blaugh heart

Something kind of like that happened to me. My kitten like... ran away last night, and was out most of the night [he just recently became an outdoor cat] and I was worried so I prayed that he'd come home safely. At like 5:00am my brother woke up because he heard some noises outside and Arthur [my cat] had come home. biggrin

psychadelephant


ChikiMongo
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:01 pm


psychadelephant
That's wicked. blaugh heart

Something kind of like that happened to me. My kitten like... ran away last night, and was out most of the night [he just recently became an outdoor cat] and I was worried so I prayed that he'd come home safely. At like 5:00am my brother woke up because he heard some noises outside and Arthur [my cat] had come home. biggrin


Aww! Well, I'm glad you have your cat back now smile
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:39 am


Quote:
Satan and Lucifer are the same thing!


They are most certainly NOT the same thing.

Satan is a demon, a Dragon, that to reproduce requires a leviathen and therefore the fall of God to reign.

Lucifer is a Seraphim angel cast out by God. Why, if they are the same, would something evil be called Light Bringer? It has always been popular belief through misreadings in the bible and from people being given false information that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.

The Kaptain


psychadelephant

PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:06 pm


ChikiMongo


Aww! Well, I'm glad you have your cat back now smile


Thanks 4laugh
He actually did it again last night too.
When will my parents learn to stop letting him out?! sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:32 pm


The Kaptain
Quote:
Satan and Lucifer are the same thing!


They are most certainly NOT the same thing.

Satan is a demon, a Dragon, that to reproduce requires a leviathen and therefore the fall of God to reign.

Lucifer is a Seraphim angel cast out by God. Why, if they are the same, would something evil be called Light Bringer? It has always been popular belief through misreadings in the bible and from people being given false information that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.


He was cast out by God and took the shape of the snake when he showed himself to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. They are the same.

ChikiMongo
Vice Captain


frogprincess007

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:19 pm


whether you call him lucifer or satan it does not really matter. he did not steal anything. God allows individuals to make choices. a person/s made a poor choice and that was to steal from you. technically from what i have understood from a traditional old testament version of the bible satan was actually like an attorney. a human soul was placed on trial when he/she died and satan's 'job' per say was to give reasons why the person should not be allowed pass the gates of heaven. hmmm. i have had believed in the whole satan idea in a physical point of vies. i look at people who are truly evil. that to me is the real physical evil.....guess i stiring the pot per say.. blaugh
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:06 am


ChikiMongo
The Kaptain
Quote:
Satan and Lucifer are the same thing!


They are most certainly NOT the same thing.

Satan is a demon, a Dragon, that to reproduce requires a leviathen and therefore the fall of God to reign.

Lucifer is a Seraphim angel cast out by God. Why, if they are the same, would something evil be called Light Bringer? It has always been popular belief through misreadings in the bible and from people being given false information that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.


He was cast out by God and took the shape of the snake when he showed himself to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. They are the same.

They are not the same.

Revelations 12:9
That old serpent called the devil, and satan, which deceiveth the whole world, he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The serpent from Eden is the Devil. It says it right there. Lucifer was a seraphim who was deceived by the Devil and was cast out from heaven. However, "cast out into the earth" can be taken as physically under the earth's crust or cast out into the world which means the devil walks among us.

The Kaptain


MotherSky

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:29 pm


Satan. Lucifer. An over used term by Pop Christians.

If you vest your faith in God then there is no need to care about material items. Everything I lose or break I quickly lose care about. I mean, there are some things I value, yes, but if something were to happen to them I don't think I'd really give a rats but.

Life is about living freely and having fun. As people who live in luxury, we spend too much of our time caring about hobbies and what makes us look better. We care more about identity than survival.

The Lord asks us to sacrifice a great deal of ourselves and our material value in order to follow him. This is what any person or Christian struggles with, and in most times, can't seem to do. So we have a Tithe to remove our guilt.

Either way I see it, good things happen to good people granted that there is patience in the process.

Chiki, you did a good thing in vesting your faith in Christ and his ability to protect you and your investments. I myself, however, believe that Satan has very little to do with our material world. He may give us small shoves here and there in directions he wants us to go, but. . .well, let me quote the Excorsist.

" . . ."And we have no need of Satan to manage our wars. These, we manage ourselves."

I will post the entire quote soon. Look for it.

Salaam~
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:16 pm


MotherSky
Satan. Lucifer. An over used term by Pop Christians.

If you vest your faith in God then there is no need to care about material items. Everything I lose or break I quickly lose care about. I mean, there are some things I value, yes, but if something were to happen to them I don't think I'd really give a rats but.

Life is about living freely and having fun. As people who live in luxury, we spend too much of our time caring about hobbies and what makes us look better. We care more about identity than survival.

The Lord asks us to sacrifice a great deal of ourselves and our material value in order to follow him. This is what any person or Christian struggles with, and in most times, can't seem to do. So we have a Tithe to remove our guilt.

Either way I see it, good things happen to good people granted that there is patience in the process.

Chiki, you did a good thing in vesting your faith in Christ and his ability to protect you and your investments. I myself, however, believe that Satan has very little to do with our material world. He may give us small shoves here and there in directions he wants us to go, but. . .well, let me quote the Excorsist.

" . . ."And we have no need of Satan to manage our wars. These, we manage ourselves."

I will post the entire quote soon. Look for it.

Salaam~


The Exorcist is a FICTIONAL MOVIE and a poor one at that. In a similar way I could say that I am Satan by quoting Tenacious D: "I'm the Devil, I love Metal".

Actually, ignore the rant I was about to go on, here is my movie quote:

"Our fathers are our models for god. If our fathers bailed, what does that tell you about god?"

The Kaptain


MotherSky

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:44 pm


You obviously do not read much interpretive literature.

There are values to be had in fiction. Let me give you the entire paragraph.

Quote:
"There it lies, I think, Damien. . .possession; not in wars, as some tend to believe; not so much; and very seldom in extrordinary interventions such as this here. . .this girl. . .this poor child. No, I see it most often in the little things, Damien; in the senesless, petty spites; the misunderstandings; the cruel and cutting words that leap unbidden to the tongues between friends. Between lovers. Enough of these," Merrin whispered, "and we have no need for Satan to manage our wars. . .these we manage for ourselves. . .for ourselves."


There is quite a bit more before that.

When a person writes a work of interpretive fiction, they imbed certain values and thoughts in it. With The Excorcist, this paragraph as well as the preceeding ones is why the story was written. The meaning is that we, as Humans, manage our own evils. There is no supernatural being causing our pain.

By the way, Fight Club is a very, very good movie. But don't take that quote out of context; be very careful with it.

I'll post the entire quote from the Exorcist here soon.

Salaam~
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