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Lovely Lady Leviathan
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:53 pm


Alright, it's finally come to my attention that I've mentioned this cryptid a few times, but have never really elaborated on it more than 'it's my fav. critter!' So, as a special request by Nick, I'm going to impart to you guys everything I know about the mothman. And trust me, I really don't know all that much about him. However, the original activites of the mothman, and the surrounding paranormal activities, is exactly what caused me to being believing that ghost, aliens, and cryptids are all somehow interlinked. Mothman is also the very thing that was the doorway to the paranormal for me, and is still, and will probably forever be, the heart of my curiosity. So be forwarned, this has just as much to do with aliens as it does cryptozoology.

The year was 1966, and it was a chilly november when the first Mothman sightings began. The place was a small town known as Point Pleasant, and the people there had little care for the bizarre. It was the kind of town were everyone knew everyone, and few embellished the truth. More often than not, the people were a bit cold to outsiders, and at first they even thought the investigator John A. Keel was actually the devil when he first came knocking at their doors.

However, the Mothman did not begin simply as the cryptid that chose to appear in West Virgina, it started as strange craft beeing spotted in the sky; large birds (called, uncreatively, "Big Bird") being seen flying and soaring about. Bizarre phenomina in a world that had no time for it. When Mothman arrived, though, so did many other strange activities.

Lights were seen in the sky, hovering, almost observing the tiny city while it slept. Lights would flicker on and off, and in one or two cases (I'm not sure HOW many....), things would be thrown across the room by unseen forces. There were mutilated and missing dogs, strange surveyers over gas lines. There were even MIBs, otherwise known as Men In Black that would come and threaten or 'advise' people not to tell anyone, and occasionally simply ask about, what someone had seen.

BIG BIRD: Big Bird was a creature that reminded me of the Native american Thunderbirds. Immensly huge, these birds, or bird-like THINGS seemed to defy gravity as they swooped through the sky. I have no knowledge os attacks on people by them.

CRAFT: The bizarre lights and craft that were seen in and around Point Pleasant often manifested themselves as a ring of lighs on a dark craft in the sky, simply lights, or the traditional triangle that hovered in the sky.

POLTERGEIST: The only one I've heard of so far took place when, and only when, a UFO (Unidentified Flying Object) flew over someone's house. As I said before, things would fall off the wall, the electricity would act up, and things would fly everywhere.

MOTHMAN: Somewhere between 7 - 9 feet tall, with large bat-like wings, and large glowing red eyes, this creature seemed to have no head, but instead the eyes seemed to be placed in the chest. It was never known to attack people, but simply watch or swoop down on people that saw it. Odd scratching sounds on the roof were often attributed to it. It was often accompanied by an intense sensation of fear. It is also theoried to be the cause of the mutilated dogs.

MUTILATED DOGS: Basically what it says. Rover would sense something, run off, and be found a few days later torn or cut to pieces (as if by an extremly experienced surgeon). There was also an oddly high amount of dead animals lying on the side of the road.

METER-MEN: People would be driving down the road, quiet often actually, only to discover that the street was closed and that they had to detour or slow down due to land, gas, or electrical surveyers. When this was looked into, however, the comapanies claimed no knowledge of appointing anyone to survey the area, and the tools they used, when described, were unknown to them. If someone were to stop and attempt to talk with these surveyers, generally they were ignored, waved off, or spoken to as if the surveyor was an intellegent recording that had very few responces to draw upon.

MIBs: (aka - Men In Black) No, they're not what you see in the movies. Infact, some believe that they aren't even human. They either appear with brand-new EVERYTHING, or appear terribly frumpy and have horribly wrinkled clothes. They all have the same complection, and are known for looking the same. In Point Pleasant they acted mechanically, often did not know how to eat or drink, and would either ask someone about what they had witnessed/about a witness, or threaten somebody to remain silent. They claimed they worked for the airforce or navy and said that their names were 'Smith' or 'Brown' or something else very common. The armed forces denied all knowledge of the MIBs.

WALL OF FEAR: A truely bizarre thing -- an invisable wall or complete and total terror. Keel found one at the T.N.T. area (where mothman supposedly resided and several UFOs were spotted (almost nightly for a while for BOTH of them, althought they were seen seperatly). He said that one minute he'd be walking and then all of a sudden he would be overcome with a terror like nothing he had ever felt before, then, just as suddenly, when he walked a ways forward the sensation would be gone. He tested the 'wall' several times (I think it was about 15 the night he found it) before he finally left. He wrote that he dreaded it.

INDRID COLD: Yes, a man, though he claimed to be an alien. He sent one man telepathic messages, told him from what planet he was from, and was generally rather friendly. The MIBs nearly terrorized his contactee, a man by the name of Woody Derenberger. Indrid was first seen clad in an odd silver suit. (I lost the book, so now I don't know what his messages were. gonk )

*EDIT* PHONE CALLS: I forgot to mention these. The residents of Point Pleasant would often receie mysterious calls at all times of the day and night. Generally, it simply sounded like heavy breathing, so the townsfolk wrote it off as a crazy sex-addict. However, when Keel analyzed the breathing he discovered that it was too low to be in the human voice range, as well as too evenly spaced apart. In fact, I believe he wrote that he thought it to be some sort of machine.

As I have said, I lost my book 'The Mothman Prophecies' recently, so the vast majority of this was from memory and dates were helped by wikipedia and google. Amazingly almost all activity stopped dead in its tracks when the bridge connecting West Virgina and Ohio at Point Pleasant collapsed. Lights were seen in the sky the night of the collapse, and supposedly Cold hinted repeatedly that that was to happen. The bridge collapsed in December, 1967, I do believe.

MOTHMAN UPDATE: There have been new sightings of the mothman in Minnesota. On the 10th of August dozens of people called into Coast to Coast with sightings of it, from what I heard. I'm listening to a recording of the show as I type this, tough I had to pause it to focus and search my memory. (Darn my amazing ability to loose things! T~T)
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:37 pm


I'm slow in the evenings, so I forgot to add some stuff. D:

Two Sketches By Eye-Witnesses:

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Two Supposed Photos of The Mothman:

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Ah... alas, I did not use the internet to research this. It was several years of listening to experts on the radio, listening to my father -- more well versed in the mothman than I am, and searches through books. The best book you can use would be that of Keel's. He's the very man who first looked into it, and so his accounts are that of someone that's been there. I haven't gotten a hold of the other books, however, so I can't really say much about them. Also, the, er, movie is a tich off. Just... an annoying little tich.

So, does anyone have questions? :} This is totally my forte, so I can probably clarify just about anything you want me to. xD

Lovely Lady Leviathan
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Niccolo Salomanos
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:20 am


*Must... not... let... scientific side... out*
*Falls over* GAAAH! HE'S OUT!

Damn straight I am. So anyway... I'm guessing Mothman has lots of trouble flying... Seeing as he has a total lack of controlling body parts. Y'know, like a bird's tail?

He could be like an insect, I guess, and have fully revolving joints... but his size suggests that an invertebrate system is unlikely.

And his shape suggests that of a bird-like way of flight, rather than insect's method.

So then there's the possibility that he doesn't fly. Rather he's like a hang-glider and just glides everywhere. But then I beg the question: What the bloody hell is he doing here?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:10 am


Sadly nobody ever goes into detail about HOW Mothman flies. D: They just say he flies. And glides. Let me see what I can dig up. :]

Why is Mothman here? Kind of like asking why aliens are here. Nobody really knows. So people then get the fun job of THEORIES. D:

Here's a few I've heard so far:

    Mothman is....

    a omen of disaster.

    really a thunderbird.

    an alien.

    an alien experiment.

    an escaped alien expiriment.

    a transdimentional being.


And... uh... I don't think people ever saw his bum. o.O There's no evidence of a tail, but no evidence to say that he doesn't have one as far as I know. D: Darn missing info -- I'll be back as soon as I can with reults on 'Mothman's Bum'. xD

Edit: Apperantly Mothman had/has no need to flap his wings to fly. In fact, it is noted that he was/is able to rise straight into the air like a helecopter. Basically.... he, by all rights, shouldn't be able to fly -- and yet he manages it anyways.

Lovely Lady Leviathan
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Tsume Rokaro
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:43 am


*randomly pets Nic-chan's Scientific side*

(Nudge-chan's original description on him/it)
Epsilon Riddle
MOTHMAN: Somewhere between 7 - 9 feet tall, with large bat-like wings, and large glowing red eyes, this creature seemed to have no head, but instead the eyes seemed to be placed in the chest. It was never known to attack people, but simply watch or swoop down on people that saw it. Odd scratching sounds on the roof were often attributed to it. It was often accompanied by an intense sensation of fear. It is also theoried to be the cause of the mutilated dogs.


Well...if it had/has bat-like wings then it wouldn't neccessarily even need a tail, right? (Most bats have a fairly useless one in terms of flight.)

It is true that his size wouldn't suggest anything insect-like but, that theory could explain the lack of a head so to speak. It would give some sort of explanation on the eyes anyways.

Gliding would also be a good theory, though if there are reports of him taking off straight off the ground then that's out.
*Tsume shuts up. For Tsume may have made a fool of Tsume's self already.*
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:54 am


He didn't even need to flap his wings. TT~TT

Hey, you guys might want to check this out:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/flying-humanoids-filmed-over-mexican-skies/

Forget that they're thinking it's a witch. I mean, isn't Mexico a 3rd world country that's still freakishly 'OMGBURNTEHWITCHEZ'. o.O *blames Our Lady* Just look at the thingummy that's flying. ANd pause it to look at it when the thing pauses. You can see the head. o.o

EDIT: BTW, do you guys ever get phone calls where, like, when you pick it up... and you say 'Hi? Who's this?' and the phone's silent for a minute before they just hang up? o.o

Lovely Lady Leviathan
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Niccolo Salomanos
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:19 pm



By special request of Nudge, I am going to continue refuting the existence of this overgrown bug.


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In fact, it is noted that he was/is able to rise straight into the air like a helecopter.


There must be a force of some kind to propel him into the air, or else he wouldn't be able to move. Basic physics, this.

But if we take the theory that he can rise straight into the air, rise and fall without flapping his wings and so on, then there is the possibility that he either has a jet-thruster shoved up his behind, or is robotic and made to just annoy the hell out of people.

This would mean his wings are for levelling out during flight only.

But there is the fact that he does not need wings at all. If he can rise and fall without even using them, if he can go straight up - in the process producing enough force to combat our gravity - without using his wings, perhaps they are just for show? What this means is that if he is alive, then biologically his wings should have shrunk down to pathetically small stubs, like an ostrich's or an emu's. Or like our appendix.

Therefore if he is a living being. Mothman is in fact a biological anomaly, and so is likely as not either custom-bio-engineered to keep the wings.

Or we could go with the theory that he does need his wings, but merely to keep him level in flight. This would put them on the level of the side airfoils of rockets and such - simply used to stabilise, because a rocket that spinning and doing loop-the-loops is stupid - and we once again arrive back at the possibility of him being robotic. But since nobody has mentioned Mothman shooting fire or the ilk out of his behind, we can scrap this theory.

Therefore, he is biological. We now have two paths - one that he is genetically engineered to keep his redundant wings, or needs them.

Both paths dictate some other force. A force that Mothman is capable of expelling in large amounts and in a downwards direction. The forces this could be aren't numerous; Psynergy (ki) or qi. Both forces are similar, differing only in their origin.

Therefore, Mothman is either a qi-channeler or is a fellow psionicist.

But science dictates that neither of these energies exists, as they would defy several laws.

Unless the mind is somehow capable of controlling the thermal energy produced by our organs and converting it into kinetic energy.

But as qi is said to come from the soul, science once again refutes it by refuting the existence of the soul. The soul is a creation of our mind to justify our race being good and kind, or to give us something to believe in for the afterlife, giving our lives purpose. There is no scientific evidence to suggest it exists, and so qi cannot exist either.

Therefore we must accept that Mothman is a psionicist. But to use enough energy to fly, he must have a hyper-efficient digestive system or an extraordinarily high body core temperature to be able to get enough energy. Which is rather dangerous if he is like us and is carbon-based, as he runs the risk of... y'know... *BOOM*

Therefore he is likely silicon-based, the other alternative that makes living in an oxygen-rich environment possible. So Mothman is in fact a giant sand monster. But since he has to eat carbon-based life-forms, he has to be carbon-based to be able to live off of them. or else he eats sand, meaning somebody should employ him as a digger.


That's why I don't let him out, guys. I have just refuted the existence of just about everything this guild stands for, called us all soulless lumps of carbon, and proved that Mothman is a lump of sand capable of telekinesis.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:02 pm


*is giggling madly at Nick's scientific-y side* Nobody said he ate the dogs. xD They THINK he did... but I'm pretty sure that they have no proof of that. o.o

*points out that you pointed out one of the theories*

He does screech. o.o Supposedly really high pitched when he swoops down on people.

Do you think its possible, that if he DOES use psionics, he uses a differant method of tapping into it? There have been various, almost constant, reports of people being telepathically contacted by aliens. Maybe, because he's built differant, he manipulates it differantly? o.O Maybe he's not even solid.

Also, if you believe in aliens, I'd have you keep in mind that it's not known how the saucers are propelled? They leave no trails. No signs that they were there. To me, it sounds like they move the same way. That they can both rise straight up, and manuver amazingly through the air at high speeds.

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