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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:58 am
Hmm... I like tom boys but I really dig the femininity of many of the yuri characters. I don't mind boyish girls really but I personally prefer that they don't have butchy hair cuts. I don't really like 'em. D:> But I would love amasculine character x]
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:29 pm
I noticed that too.. I really do prefer more of a testosterone to the estrogen factor, if you get my point.
Examples: Bad girl & Good girl Athlete & Nerd Tomboy & Prep!? XD
Either way, I'm sure you get my point! XD
"manly" girls rock! :3
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:40 am
Yuudai Sasaki but I can't help but wonder what exactly define a 'butch' girl? Is it her personality and hobbies, or her appearance and the first impression people get of her? I'd have to say it's mostly a first impression deal - or at least I'm going to make the claim on it due to personal experience. And I don't think it's so much a first impression of the girl over it's the first impression that she's a lesbian or bisexual or anything in between. I personally believe that those stereotypes are so beaten on society (which the over-the-top fem yuri to minigate that stereotype makes sense) that once that knowledge is made it becomes a comparing and weighing game - in which more masculine qualities defined for years by gender weigh in for the title of Butch. But on the same spectrum - I think the title's Butch, Tom Boy, Boyish, Seme - all cover different levels in a pool. To clarify - I don't think they all translate exactly. Personally the term Butch seems to hit harder and harsher and I almost have a negative aura about it - for reasons I can only guess because it's been paired along name-calling and hatred for myself. Boyish on the other hand comes out much more...fresh? I don't know how to capture it. But do you understand? And I think that the fact that there is subtle difference in the words only goes back to society in defining what a Butch is through what majority masculine habits ensue.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:22 pm
That's my main complaint with the shoujo-ai on the market today. Yes, it's cute. Sometimes I really like cute. But I go kind of bonkers when it's nothing but cute. This is totally personal preference, but sometimes the estrogen overload is just a total turnoff. I tend to like characters who are more evenly balanced and realistic human beings.
Heck, I wouldn't mind seeing tachi-tachi relationships.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:54 pm
Personally, I don't mind masculine women. However, the girls I go for are typically very feminine.
I guess the reason there isn't a lot of masculine girls in Shoujo ai/Yuri is because the girls who read it/the boys who read it don't find masculine women attractive. The boys prefer to see two girls kiss and the girls also prefer to see to girls kiss. A masculine boy is too close to a boy for most people's tastes.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:07 pm
Nowadays, I suppose I blur the line between masculine and feminine girls. I'm androgynous...I have plenty of girly moments, and quite a few of my signature tomboyish moments. (Kage! I'm callin' j00 out, WET WOMAN! Pool...pool...). People MUST remember that there are quite a few varieties of what society calls "butch" and/or "tomboyish." The same goes for "femme" and/or girly chicks. The two may have some traits of the other, so it's not all...so very concentrated in such ways. Hell, a feminine girl can kick my a** in videogames, and I'm a supposed "tomboy." Honestly. XD It's hilarious.
A masculine woman doesn't have to be masculine physically/in appearance, but in attitude. Same goes for feminine women. I know someone that one would call a "butch" woman just because of her appearance and does she have...a crazy feminine personality. (Hey, look at Rei from Marimite, and then there's Yoshino. Perfect examples)
What I am trying to say is...these categories; they're becoming blurry by the generations. It's a new age, people. Some [mangaka and anime directors] just have to get with the program, y'know?
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:34 am
I think Strawberry Panic has a nice variety. But when a story is about two girls, I think they try to make them feminine because whether bi/lesbian girls may like to think so or not, the target is fanboys with girl on girl fantasies. Boys tend to dislike "butch" type of girls, so yeah.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:15 am
Kirei Yosei I think Strawberry Panic has a nice variety. But when a story is about two girls, I think they try to make them feminine because whether bi/lesbian girls may like to think so or not, the target is fanboys with girl on girl fantasies. Boys tend to dislike "butch" type of girls, so yeah. hm, true, but a good section of yuri is aimed at a predominantly female audience, also, and this yuri material also tends to be focused on very feminine girls. So I think part of it is definitely because of the audience, but having males in the audience may not be all of it.
But I will agree with you, a lot of yuri is definitely targeted at a male audience. XD And yes, many males don't really find boyish girls as attractive as feminine girls. But hey, some do.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:22 am
([ - Madam Lenny - ] wink Nowadays, I suppose I blur the line between masculine and feminine girls. I'm androgynous...I have plenty of girly moments, and quite a few of my signature tomboyish moments. (Kage! I'm callin' j00 out, WET WOMAN! Pool...pool...). People MUST remember that there are quite a few varieties of what society calls "butch" and/or "tomboyish." The same goes for "femme" and/or girly chicks. The two may have some traits of the other, so it's not all...so very concentrated in such ways. Hell, a feminine girl can kick my a** in videogames, and I'm a supposed "tomboy." Honestly. XD It's hilarious.
A masculine woman doesn't have to be masculine physically/in appearance, but in attitude. Same goes for feminine women. I know someone that one would call a "butch" woman just because of her appearance and does she have...a crazy feminine personality. (Hey, look at Rei from Marimite, and then there's Yoshino. Perfect examples)
What I am trying to say is...these categories; they're becoming blurry by the generations. It's a new age, people. Some [mangaka and anime directors] just have to get with the program, y'know? Pfft, that's the first time I've heard you owning up to being feminine in any way beyond physicalities and a lesbian identity. XD (and I meant that I was SWIMMING, >E)
I think most people (real people) are a fair blend of masculine and feminine traits--we can all point out things about ourselves that align with societal perception of male and female gender. But, what I notice is that fictional girls in yuri seem to be more of a mix of just one side--feminine. Rather than balancing out, a lot of them seem to be played up as hyper-feminine.
Also, our culture here may be significantly different from that in Japan. I'm not totally acquainted with Asian queer culture as it is today, but I know that there seems to be a strong butch/femme vibe in a lot of parts of Chinese-speaking lesbian culture right now. So, maybe right now, it's less fluid than it is here. Also, I've heard from a gay male exchange student that queer people in Japan are much more in-the-closet than they are here. This makes me wonder (and I can only speculate, due to lack of familiarity and involvement in the culture) that part of the hyperfemininity is due to the avoidance of being labeled as lesbian, since the stigma may be higher and may ruin even shoujo-ai materials. This might also partially explain the "I'm not gay, just in love with a girl" theme I see running amok in a lot of yuri and so on works.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:15 pm
Personally, I'll love to see a middle ground. Something like Utena or Rei is more of my style. They don't totally fit in the sterotype. They are fun to watch. For example: the tomboy afraid of ghosts or the pretty girl that is cute loving sports and always watching them.
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:09 pm
No. I find the more feminine girls much more attractive and fun in any story. (although most of the time they go too far beyond normal boundaries into unrealistic femininity) I guess I could handle a few tomboy-ish characters. But if they're too un-feminine, it's just a turn-off. Surely some of you agree.
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:16 pm
I'd like to apologize about my previous post in this board. I just read it for the first time in months and the first thing that came to mind is, "I actually posted THAT?"
I was rude even though I wasn't trying to be. I've changed A TON in (about) the last year. I know longer hold that opinion I posted, for I'm A LOT more accepting now. I'm actually afraid of what else I might've posted last year. I WISH there was a way you could view your guild posts...
Anyways back on topic, I do agree there is not enough masculine girls in yuri...although I do honestly wish they'd have most of the girls more of a mixture of "butch" and "femme".
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:59 am
my first taste of yuri (shojou ai i suppose) was harukaxmichiru the face they are a cannon couple only makes it even nicer ^^  and, is it just me, or isn't tomari from kashimashi quite the tomboy?
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:35 pm
I agree it would be nice to see some more tomboys =). Variety is always good. =D Personally I do love tomboyish girls though haha. xD
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:05 am
I adore super fem yuri manga, it's simply personal preference. It comes with the love for "moe" things, I'm real big on that as well. However I do think we need more characters as mentioned in the topic. Why should we let others feel left out? It couldn't hurt to create a few more masculine girls here and there.
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