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LadyBugLes

PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:35 pm


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This is going to sound stuipid, but what are the epistles?


Beats the heck out of me.

Let's see what Wikipedia has to say.

...oh. Letters? Gotcha.


Like Phillipians and Corinthians?


Yeah, those....

It's just a greek word that means "letter".
PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:08 am


sistergoldenhair
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This is going to sound stuipid, but what are the epistles?


Beats the heck out of me.

Let's see what Wikipedia has to say.

...oh. Letters? Gotcha.


Like Phillipians and Corinthians?


Yeah, those....

It's just a greek word that means "letter".


Okay. Gotcha. 3nodding

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Uncle Touchy

PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:28 pm


I think it's so easy to just SAY that the bible goes against homosexuality, without ever providing passages to back it up.

Truth is, the only rules you need to follow pretaining to lifestyle are the 10 commandments. Which make no mention of homosexuality at all.

Mathhew 19:17
PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:33 am


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I think it's so easy to just SAY that the bible goes against homosexuality, without ever providing passages to back it up.

Truth is, the only rules you need to follow pretaining to lifestyle are the 10 commandments. Which make no mention of homosexuality at all.

Mathhew 19:17


And in the new testament, the only rules that must be followed (to my knowledge) are 'love the Lord with all of your heart' and 'love you neighbor'.

Welcome to the guild!

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Uncle Touchy

PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:10 pm


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I think it's so easy to just SAY that the bible goes against homosexuality, without ever providing passages to back it up.

Truth is, the only rules you need to follow pretaining to lifestyle are the 10 commandments. Which make no mention of homosexuality at all.

Mathhew 19:17


And in the new testament, the only rules that must be followed (to my knowledge) are 'love the Lord with all of your heart' and 'love you neighbor'.

Welcome to the guild!


Thanks ^__^

Matthews is the New Testament. ^_^

Also: To summerize John 3:16; God loves us so much, that all we need to do is love his son to enter heaven ^__^
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:09 pm


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I think it's so easy to just SAY that the bible goes against homosexuality, without ever providing passages to back it up.

Truth is, the only rules you need to follow pretaining to lifestyle are the 10 commandments. Which make no mention of homosexuality at all.

Mathhew 19:17


And in the new testament, the only rules that must be followed (to my knowledge) are 'love the Lord with all of your heart' and 'love your neighbor'.

Welcome to the guild!


Thanks ^__^

Matthews is the New Testament. ^_^

Also: To summerize John 3:16; God loves us so much, that all we need to do is love his son to enter heaven ^__^


I was referring to the teachings of Jesus, but your point is most certainly valid. heart

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Mr. Bono Vox

PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:11 pm


I can't say I have ever been attracted to anything/one sexually other than females.
PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 7:21 pm


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I can't say I have ever been attracted to anything/one sexually other than females.


Then you are lucky to be in that position and not constantly wondering. sad

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Mr. Bono Vox

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:13 pm


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I can't say I have ever been attracted to anything/one sexually other than females.


Then you are lucky to be in that position and not constantly wondering. sad
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:31 pm


Okay, I'm going to apologize beforehand because I've not yet read the thread in its entirety. Also, the following arguments use "homosexuality", but can be interchanged with bi-, metro-, or pansexuality.

No Christian is allowed to hate any person. Whether they be black, homosexual, atheist, whatever. You may not hate them, no matter what. There was this guy a long time ago. His name was Jesus Christ, perhaps you've heard of him. Well, this guy was radical. He was a take-action kind of guy. Well, these big-time priest dudes, they asked him, "What's the biggest rule in the Scriptures?" And he gave his answer: "You have to love the LORD God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and you have to love everybody else just as much as you love yourself."

Notice, the priests asked for THE biggest rule, not the two biggest. He put them together, making them one rule and equalizing them. So loving your neighbor is just as important as loving God. Also notice, Jesus didn't say, "Love your neighbor as yourself...except homosexuals." He didn't say, "Love your neighbor as yourself...except Muslim extremists," or "except black people." Jesus commanded you to love everybody equally, so no matter what you think about homosexuality, you still have to love the homosexual him/herself.

I have no established opinions on homosexuality. I've seen people quote Scripture that seems to condemn it, and I've seen Scripture that seems to contradict that idea. My ideas regarding the subject go to the verses that describe what love is in
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
I saw no statement saying, "Love is only between a man and a woman."

I wonder myself occasionally, "Could I be..." and I don't really think God cares whether I'm attracted to males or females, so long as that love is not contrary to the love described in 1 Corinthians 13.

Voxio


seacret_cie

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:35 am


please read through all of this. somewhere in the middle, I realized that I felt like I was really speaking for truth.


ok, I really have to say this. I see so many ppl people being led astray to think that it is ok to commit homosexual acts.

please just listen. I am not condemning anyone.

this is the truth from the word: "do not practice homosexuality. It is a detestable sin."

also: "do not lust"

these are both sins. What God wants from us is not for us to lust after the rightgender, but holiness. That means no lust. Humanly, that is not possible, as we are all sinful, but all of us should be working towards being holy. If it says flat-out that homosexuality is a sin, and someone of a gender lusts after another of the same, gender, since to wishit in your heart is as comitting the sin itself, that person is guilty of the sin. The SAME GOES FOR ALL HETEROSEXUAL LUST,TOO.

I agree that a homosexual relationship can be functional. The thing is, (and this is coming from a homosexual friend of mine who spoke in church) a homosexual relationship is a person trying to fufill God given needs in away God never intended. He described himself goingfroma kid who identified more with the opposite gender, and thereforeleft his owngender to beviewed as the 'mysterious other.' Those feelings transcended from intense friendships with other men into sexual relationships with other men, as men, for him, where the 'other' whereas women were the same.

of course, because this identification with girls happened early in life, hewas led to believe that he had 'been born that way.'
thetruth is,we all are born with our battles already planned out for us and waiting for us in life. For some, theymay battle a decietful nature, others a temper, still others intense sexuality (both hetero- or homo- sexual)


the answer to homosexuality is not to try to redirect the sexual energy towards the oppsoite gender. the answeris holiness. It is the same with having a temper, homosexuality,heightened sexual temptation in general , or anything else that ppl may say they are "born" with. However, anyone with such sinful tendancies (whic I figure is jsut about everyone)still needs to admit that they are, Indeed, sinful, even if it feels like they are beingwronged as being labeled as sinful because of being borna certain way. Fact is, we are allborn sinfulanyways, and just because oneperson's particular battle is homosexuality DOES NOT meanthatthey should be pushed out of thechurch ortreated any differently thanany other person. Homosexuals need to be accepted, pushed, given a home, supported and corrected and held accountable to make changes, just as any other person within a church who is batteling any other sin in their lives.

The topic of homosexuality is testy and sensitive, mostly becasue itis such a personal thing for the homosexual. That does not mean that we are to compromise and make allowances that God specifically speaks against, jsutas he speaks againstl ying, lust, and cutting in mourning for the dead (cutting being my particular battle.) We are called upon to be Godly people and to bring others to living a Godly life. No one is wrong to tell a homosexual that they should be fighting their homosexualurges, just as no one would be wrong to tell me that I should be fighting my urges to cut, which is as natural and necessary as crying is for anyone else. Imagine being told that you cannot cry because it is sinly. Cutting serves the function of crying for me, and was very difficult to stop as it was... something I had always done. That cutting was that for me, and me stopping was stopping being something that was such a part of who I am, it was still a sin and wrong for me to do.

keep in mind, sin does not mean doing something evil. It means going against God's will.

If you get into a place where you are physically unhealthy, you are sinning in that God does not want you to make yourself suffer. Its not because you're evil;itsbecasue you are unwittingly doing something that is bad for yorself, and becasue God does not want you to suffer becauseof His love for you, he tells you not to do certain things.

for those of you batteling homosexuality, I know it is easier said thandone, but "leannot on thineownunderstanding" I do believe that homosexuals have the privelage of having a differently,and maybe more, intimate walk with God if they turn from their sin, because of the strenght and reliance on God needed to battle such a sin. Rejoice in opportunity of walking deeper with Christ,asevery battle is not a drag, but an opportunity to prove your love to Him, after which he in turns showers you with joy. How much more will He be pleased andhappywith youfor turning from this sin than someone who has never had such a difficult battle? Your Counsilor is with you and will guide you, and you simply do have the strenght to persue and achieve holiness, as does any person. Decide.

Christ or the rest?

also, for those witnessing homosexuals batteling, do not shut themdown. do not shut them out. Just because this sinis one of the more bizzar, and sol ess comfortable oneto see, does not mean that you get to loos teh compassion we are called to have for ALL PEOPLE.

Finally, for those who see that true, god-fearing/god-loving people are saying that homosexuality is acceptable, dont be afraid to disagree. If you are silent, you may, in the end, havekept thatperson fromthatdeep walk w/ God I was talking about before.

now that I've typed your eyes off, Ill end this.

Godbless.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:37 am


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Okay, I'm going to apologize beforehand because I've not yet read the thread in its entirety. Also, the following arguments use "homosexuality", but can be interchanged with bi-, metro-, or pansexuality.

No Christian is allowed to hate any person. Whether they be black, homosexual, atheist, whatever. You may not hate them, no matter what. There was this guy a long time ago. His name was Jesus Christ, perhaps you've heard of him. Well, this guy was radical. He was a take-action kind of guy. Well, these big-time priest dudes, they asked him, "What's the biggest rule in the Scriptures?" And he gave his answer: "You have to love the LORD God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and you have to love everybody else just as much as you love yourself."

Notice, the priests asked for THE biggest rule, not the two biggest. He put them together, making them one rule and equalizing them. So loving your neighbor is just as important as loving God. Also notice, Jesus didn't say, "Love your neighbor as yourself...except homosexuals." He didn't say, "Love your neighbor as yourself...except Muslim extremists," or "except black people." Jesus commanded you to love everybody equally, so no matter what you think about homosexuality, you still have to love the homosexual him/herself.

I have no established opinions on homosexuality. I've seen people quote Scripture that seems to condemn it, and I've seen Scripture that seems to contradict that idea. My ideas regarding the subject go to the verses that describe what love is in
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
I saw no statement saying, "Love is only between a man and a woman."

I wonder myself occasionally, "Could I be..." and I don't really think God cares whether I'm attracted to males or females, so long as that love is not contrary to the love described in 1 Corinthians 13.



"do not practice homosexuality. It is a detestable sin."-God

..thats all I'd need to know...

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seacret_cie

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:02 am


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I think it's so easy to just SAY that the bible goes against homosexuality, without ever providing passages to back it up.

Truth is, the only rules you need to follow pretaining to lifestyle are the 10 commandments. Which make no mention of homosexuality at all.

Mathhew 19:17


uuuuhhh, NO. way wrong. there are so many many many more. many.

sin is not just going against the ten commandments. Its going against God's will in general. That is the definition ofSin,and therefore there are thousands more sins out there.

andread leviticus. thats where it says that homosexuality is a "detestable sin," along with...i think it might have mention beastiality and witchcraft in thatbook, and definitely marking yourbody and cutting yourself in mourning for the dead.

basically, since God loves you, His will is that you do not suffer needlessly. Therefore, all that crap thatwe subject ourselvs to rather than listening to God, ro just doing what we know is best for us, is..sin. It doesnt mean we're evil; it just meansthatwe are doing thingsthatGod wouldnot have us do, and sinceGod loves us, those thingsare, logically,bad for us.

there is lots and lots of sin out there, man. Plz read the bible in its entirety, and godbless.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:40 am


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Okay, I'm going to apologize beforehand because I've not yet read the thread in its entirety. Also, the following arguments use "homosexuality", but can be interchanged with bi-, metro-, or pansexuality.


I don't mean to nit-pick but you do realise "Metrosexual" is a term for a straight guy who dresses like a gay guy to get chicks, right?

Remember that song, "I wish I was queer so I could get chicks."

LadyBugLes


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:42 pm


sistergoldenhair
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Okay, I'm going to apologize beforehand because I've not yet read the thread in its entirety. Also, the following arguments use "homosexuality", but can be interchanged with bi-, metro-, or pansexuality.


I don't mean to nit-pick but you do realise "Metrosexual" is a term for a straight guy who dresses like a gay guy to get chicks, right?

Remember that song, "I wish I was queer so I could get chicks."


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