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baka_boy1221
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:43 am


God Emperor Akhenaton
baka_boy1221
Let me remind you ... that the United States Marine Corp ... brings in fighters from the UFC to help train ground fighting techniques to the troops ... if that ain't credibility ... I don't know what is ...

Yeah, I also know blackbelts in TKD that train special forces. In my opinion, the military isn't the best place to learn a martian art. My friend who is in the army as a mechanic while another is a rifleman, they only got 4 hours of hand to hand combat.


There's a difference between the US Army and the US Marines ... anyone could tell you that ... everyone in the Marine Corp ... is trained to fight ... part of the boot camp is purely dedicated to close combat ... and I don't mean puggle stick ...

God Emperor Akhenaton
baka_boy1221
As well ... though MMA is a combat sport ... it could easily become applicable to a real world setting ... a lot of fighters will and have thrown the rule book out the window ...

Yeah, but do they know how to kill and block moves that are illegal in MMA?


Why do you think they instituted the rules ... look at the real early UFC's ... you could tell there is a difference ...
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:45 am


quiet_way
God Emperor Akhenaton
afromma
baka_boy1221
God Emperor Akhenaton
Regral
First Off In a fight between 2 people grappling in usually the deciding factor, anyone can hold there own standing as long as they have power, and cardio with a basic understanding on how to strike. the learning curve for striking is a quick one. while grappling has to many to master >.> so yes theres a disadvantage if a grappler stands up with a TKD Person but not as much of one if the grappler gets to to the ground. not to mention if were talking about TKD vs Random sluggers TKD is not so good since it has low perfection for the head keeping you hands at your waist is not good practice.
That least to the question how would they adapt TKD for MMA? well ive seen it done alot, its just give them a kickboxing coach they learn how to defend there head. they cut the crescent kick and other useless crap thats low % moves and they usally have a great base speed and alot of snapping kicks.

The obviously you don't know jack s**t about the art. TKD is a martial art utilized for the purpose of self-defense in the military. MMA is purely sport and thus utilized that way. So I could care less about them. Against an actual street fight, I would easily pick TKD over Judo or Aikido. Those arts never told me that forcing my palm upwards into the nose could cause a brain hemorrhage, the ITF did.


Let me remind you ... that the United States Marine Corp ... brings in fighters from the UFC to help train ground fighting techniques to the troops ... if that ain't credibility ... I don't know what is ...

As well ... though MMA is a combat sport ... it could easily become applicable to a real world setting ... a lot of fighters will and have thrown the rule book out the window ...

You could ask Roger Huerta that ...

TMZ: Ex-UFC Star in Bloody Street Fight -- Caught on Tape

So to you, "Jackshit you know about the art."


I would also like to add that everyone is different ... what causes a brain hemorrage in one person ... will cause a broken nose in another ... which in turn cause another person to get really pissed off ... as well as that ... with a thing called movement ... the nose is a hard thing to hit ... let alone worry about ...

And even in the case of a hemmorage ... the effects won't be immediate ... that's a good hour or two ... and well with a guy on top ... smashing one's head into the pavement, beating their face in ... well ... you're just s**t out of luck ...

If someone can fight after cartilage is forced into an artery connected to the brain, then you can still follow up on attacks. You don't have to stand there and watch them get pissed. Attack them and make sure their body turns into a sack of meat.

I guess it's time to chime in, since I been a staunch defender of the art of Taekwondo for a great while now. To address the question of grappling arts versus taekwondo, it's a question of goal. In a street fight, grappling is the worst thing you can possibly do, because it typically leads to the ground and if your opponent has any friends with him at all, you lose. Period. Effective striking and clinching are essential on the street venue, and TKD has both of those.

In the martial sport arena, the rules change markedly. With no concern about outside interference, grappling becomes decidedly more important. Again, throws, standing clinches, and strikes are all present in TKD, but unfortunately the art doesn't translate very well. TKD IS A BATTLEFIELD ART, specifically designed to kill opponents with maximum efficiency in the shortest time possible. Thus, the weakness of the art in an MMA-style arena should be apparent, since once a TKD stylist has grounded someone the typical tactic at that juncture is a killing blow. Most ITF and WTF practitioners I've dealt with compensate for this with that old standby for people who need groundwork, BJJ. All that said, if you just give a TKD player a kickboxing coach and teach them to "protect their head", you'll be performing an unnecessary service.

Any (and I do mean ANY) real TKD player will point out, upon questioning, that their primary target in most engagements is the head. Therefore, they train a great deal to protect that target as well. Those fast, high kicks aren't just for show and they are found in most other battlefield arts as well (looking at you, Muay Thai.) When you see a TKD player with their hands down, it is usually in a sport situation where they are more concerned with mobility and dishing out kicks in bunches for points. This weakness would also translate in the MMA arena, since points, while important, are far less significant in such a venue.

A serious TKD player is not someone to mess around with. Grappling is nice, but it should be kept in the proper place. On the street, I'd take TKD over the grappler due to precise, powerful, fast striking. However, the rules of sport fighting render TKD largely toothless, so in an octagon, ring, or mixed tournament, TKD won't always fare so well. Any MMA practitioner will gain vast ability by adding some of TKD's weapons to their arsenal.

As a sideline, I just wanted to say that in a street fight situation, I would rather have Judo or Aikido. I've been practicing Aikido for several months now and I have to say that in a street defense situation, with my personal belief set, I would much rather have the weapons that it provides than any kind of strike. But that's another thread at another time.


Though I agree with some of what you're saying ... the situation that you gave an example for ... is assumed that it's a group vs one person ... from what I've seen though grappling in a one on one setting (whether it be in a controlled environment like a ring or the street) is highly effective ...

baka_boy1221
Captain


quiet_way
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:36 pm


baka_boy1221
quiet_way
God Emperor Akhenaton
afromma
baka_boy1221


Let me remind you ... that the United States Marine Corp ... brings in fighters from the UFC to help train ground fighting techniques to the troops ... if that ain't credibility ... I don't know what is ...

As well ... though MMA is a combat sport ... it could easily become applicable to a real world setting ... a lot of fighters will and have thrown the rule book out the window ...

You could ask Roger Huerta that ...

TMZ: Ex-UFC Star in Bloody Street Fight -- Caught on Tape

So to you, "Jackshit you know about the art."


I would also like to add that everyone is different ... what causes a brain hemorrage in one person ... will cause a broken nose in another ... which in turn cause another person to get really pissed off ... as well as that ... with a thing called movement ... the nose is a hard thing to hit ... let alone worry about ...

And even in the case of a hemmorage ... the effects won't be immediate ... that's a good hour or two ... and well with a guy on top ... smashing one's head into the pavement, beating their face in ... well ... you're just s**t out of luck ...

If someone can fight after cartilage is forced into an artery connected to the brain, then you can still follow up on attacks. You don't have to stand there and watch them get pissed. Attack them and make sure their body turns into a sack of meat.

I guess it's time to chime in, since I been a staunch defender of the art of Taekwondo for a great while now. To address the question of grappling arts versus taekwondo, it's a question of goal. In a street fight, grappling is the worst thing you can possibly do, because it typically leads to the ground and if your opponent has any friends with him at all, you lose. Period. Effective striking and clinching are essential on the street venue, and TKD has both of those.

In the martial sport arena, the rules change markedly. With no concern about outside interference, grappling becomes decidedly more important. Again, throws, standing clinches, and strikes are all present in TKD, but unfortunately the art doesn't translate very well. TKD IS A BATTLEFIELD ART, specifically designed to kill opponents with maximum efficiency in the shortest time possible. Thus, the weakness of the art in an MMA-style arena should be apparent, since once a TKD stylist has grounded someone the typical tactic at that juncture is a killing blow. Most ITF and WTF practitioners I've dealt with compensate for this with that old standby for people who need groundwork, BJJ. All that said, if you just give a TKD player a kickboxing coach and teach them to "protect their head", you'll be performing an unnecessary service.

Any (and I do mean ANY) real TKD player will point out, upon questioning, that their primary target in most engagements is the head. Therefore, they train a great deal to protect that target as well. Those fast, high kicks aren't just for show and they are found in most other battlefield arts as well (looking at you, Muay Thai.) When you see a TKD player with their hands down, it is usually in a sport situation where they are more concerned with mobility and dishing out kicks in bunches for points. This weakness would also translate in the MMA arena, since points, while important, are far less significant in such a venue.

A serious TKD player is not someone to mess around with. Grappling is nice, but it should be kept in the proper place. On the street, I'd take TKD over the grappler due to precise, powerful, fast striking. However, the rules of sport fighting render TKD largely toothless, so in an octagon, ring, or mixed tournament, TKD won't always fare so well. Any MMA practitioner will gain vast ability by adding some of TKD's weapons to their arsenal.

As a sideline, I just wanted to say that in a street fight situation, I would rather have Judo or Aikido. I've been practicing Aikido for several months now and I have to say that in a street defense situation, with my personal belief set, I would much rather have the weapons that it provides than any kind of strike. But that's another thread at another time.


Though I agree with some of what you're saying ... the situation that you gave an example for ... is assumed that it's a group vs one person ... from what I've seen though grappling in a one on one setting (whether it be in a controlled environment like a ring or the street) is highly effective ...
While true, there is almost no such thing as a one on one situation in the street. The kind of people that are likely to attack generally like to do it in groups. The sole exception to this rule is mugging, which is typically spur-of-the-moment and tends to be performed by solo assailants. Since those people are typically armed, grappling is not only better in that particular case, but in fact is necessary.

Simply put, a striking art is superior in terms of street defense. There are exceptions to this, as with all rules. Aikido, for instance, focuses on the ability to engage multiple attackers with throws and misdirection. Judo is similar. Jiujitsu in its original form also has this, as does Shuai Jiao. And of course, the Muay Thai clinch is famous for being perfect for taking an enemy and using them as a "body shield" against other assailants while you deal with the clinched victim. Unfortunately, BJJ is woefully unsuited to the task of multiple enemy defense since most of its takedowns are sacrificial (that is, you go down with the attacker.)
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:20 pm


quiet_way
baka_boy1221
quiet_way
God Emperor Akhenaton
afromma
baka_boy1221


Let me remind you ... that the United States Marine Corp ... brings in fighters from the UFC to help train ground fighting techniques to the troops ... if that ain't credibility ... I don't know what is ...

As well ... though MMA is a combat sport ... it could easily become applicable to a real world setting ... a lot of fighters will and have thrown the rule book out the window ...

You could ask Roger Huerta that ...

TMZ: Ex-UFC Star in Bloody Street Fight -- Caught on Tape

So to you, "Jackshit you know about the art."


I would also like to add that everyone is different ... what causes a brain hemorrage in one person ... will cause a broken nose in another ... which in turn cause another person to get really pissed off ... as well as that ... with a thing called movement ... the nose is a hard thing to hit ... let alone worry about ...

And even in the case of a hemmorage ... the effects won't be immediate ... that's a good hour or two ... and well with a guy on top ... smashing one's head into the pavement, beating their face in ... well ... you're just s**t out of luck ...

If someone can fight after cartilage is forced into an artery connected to the brain, then you can still follow up on attacks. You don't have to stand there and watch them get pissed. Attack them and make sure their body turns into a sack of meat.

I guess it's time to chime in, since I been a staunch defender of the art of Taekwondo for a great while now. To address the question of grappling arts versus taekwondo, it's a question of goal. In a street fight, grappling is the worst thing you can possibly do, because it typically leads to the ground and if your opponent has any friends with him at all, you lose. Period. Effective striking and clinching are essential on the street venue, and TKD has both of those.

In the martial sport arena, the rules change markedly. With no concern about outside interference, grappling becomes decidedly more important. Again, throws, standing clinches, and strikes are all present in TKD, but unfortunately the art doesn't translate very well. TKD IS A BATTLEFIELD ART, specifically designed to kill opponents with maximum efficiency in the shortest time possible. Thus, the weakness of the art in an MMA-style arena should be apparent, since once a TKD stylist has grounded someone the typical tactic at that juncture is a killing blow. Most ITF and WTF practitioners I've dealt with compensate for this with that old standby for people who need groundwork, BJJ. All that said, if you just give a TKD player a kickboxing coach and teach them to "protect their head", you'll be performing an unnecessary service.

Any (and I do mean ANY) real TKD player will point out, upon questioning, that their primary target in most engagements is the head. Therefore, they train a great deal to protect that target as well. Those fast, high kicks aren't just for show and they are found in most other battlefield arts as well (looking at you, Muay Thai.) When you see a TKD player with their hands down, it is usually in a sport situation where they are more concerned with mobility and dishing out kicks in bunches for points. This weakness would also translate in the MMA arena, since points, while important, are far less significant in such a venue.

A serious TKD player is not someone to mess around with. Grappling is nice, but it should be kept in the proper place. On the street, I'd take TKD over the grappler due to precise, powerful, fast striking. However, the rules of sport fighting render TKD largely toothless, so in an octagon, ring, or mixed tournament, TKD won't always fare so well. Any MMA practitioner will gain vast ability by adding some of TKD's weapons to their arsenal.

As a sideline, I just wanted to say that in a street fight situation, I would rather have Judo or Aikido. I've been practicing Aikido for several months now and I have to say that in a street defense situation, with my personal belief set, I would much rather have the weapons that it provides than any kind of strike. But that's another thread at another time.


Though I agree with some of what you're saying ... the situation that you gave an example for ... is assumed that it's a group vs one person ... from what I've seen though grappling in a one on one setting (whether it be in a controlled environment like a ring or the street) is highly effective ...
While true, there is almost no such thing as a one on one situation in the street. The kind of people that are likely to attack generally like to do it in groups. The sole exception to this rule is mugging, which is typically spur-of-the-moment and tends to be performed by solo assailants. Since those people are typically armed, grappling is not only better in that particular case, but in fact is necessary.

Simply put, a striking art is superior in terms of street defense. There are exceptions to this, as with all rules. Aikido, for instance, focuses on the ability to engage multiple attackers with throws and misdirection. Judo is similar. Jiujitsu in its original form also has this, as does Shuai Jiao. And of course, the Muay Thai clinch is famous for being perfect for taking an enemy and using them as a "body shield" against other assailants while you deal with the clinched victim. Unfortunately, BJJ is woefully unsuited to the task of multiple enemy defense since most of its takedowns are sacrificial (that is, you go down with the attacker.)


I could accept that ... at least you articulate in your explanation ... thanks for that ...

baka_boy1221
Captain


quiet_way
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:11 pm


baka_boy1221
quiet_way
baka_boy1221
quiet_way
God Emperor Akhenaton

If someone can fight after cartilage is forced into an artery connected to the brain, then you can still follow up on attacks. You don't have to stand there and watch them get pissed. Attack them and make sure their body turns into a sack of meat.

I guess it's time to chime in, since I been a staunch defender of the art of Taekwondo for a great while now. To address the question of grappling arts versus taekwondo, it's a question of goal. In a street fight, grappling is the worst thing you can possibly do, because it typically leads to the ground and if your opponent has any friends with him at all, you lose. Period. Effective striking and clinching are essential on the street venue, and TKD has both of those.

In the martial sport arena, the rules change markedly. With no concern about outside interference, grappling becomes decidedly more important. Again, throws, standing clinches, and strikes are all present in TKD, but unfortunately the art doesn't translate very well. TKD IS A BATTLEFIELD ART, specifically designed to kill opponents with maximum efficiency in the shortest time possible. Thus, the weakness of the art in an MMA-style arena should be apparent, since once a TKD stylist has grounded someone the typical tactic at that juncture is a killing blow. Most ITF and WTF practitioners I've dealt with compensate for this with that old standby for people who need groundwork, BJJ. All that said, if you just give a TKD player a kickboxing coach and teach them to "protect their head", you'll be performing an unnecessary service.

Any (and I do mean ANY) real TKD player will point out, upon questioning, that their primary target in most engagements is the head. Therefore, they train a great deal to protect that target as well. Those fast, high kicks aren't just for show and they are found in most other battlefield arts as well (looking at you, Muay Thai.) When you see a TKD player with their hands down, it is usually in a sport situation where they are more concerned with mobility and dishing out kicks in bunches for points. This weakness would also translate in the MMA arena, since points, while important, are far less significant in such a venue.

A serious TKD player is not someone to mess around with. Grappling is nice, but it should be kept in the proper place. On the street, I'd take TKD over the grappler due to precise, powerful, fast striking. However, the rules of sport fighting render TKD largely toothless, so in an octagon, ring, or mixed tournament, TKD won't always fare so well. Any MMA practitioner will gain vast ability by adding some of TKD's weapons to their arsenal.

As a sideline, I just wanted to say that in a street fight situation, I would rather have Judo or Aikido. I've been practicing Aikido for several months now and I have to say that in a street defense situation, with my personal belief set, I would much rather have the weapons that it provides than any kind of strike. But that's another thread at another time.


Though I agree with some of what you're saying ... the situation that you gave an example for ... is assumed that it's a group vs one person ... from what I've seen though grappling in a one on one setting (whether it be in a controlled environment like a ring or the street) is highly effective ...
While true, there is almost no such thing as a one on one situation in the street. The kind of people that are likely to attack generally like to do it in groups. The sole exception to this rule is mugging, which is typically spur-of-the-moment and tends to be performed by solo assailants. Since those people are typically armed, grappling is not only better in that particular case, but in fact is necessary.

Simply put, a striking art is superior in terms of street defense. There are exceptions to this, as with all rules. Aikido, for instance, focuses on the ability to engage multiple attackers with throws and misdirection. Judo is similar. Jiujitsu in its original form also has this, as does Shuai Jiao. And of course, the Muay Thai clinch is famous for being perfect for taking an enemy and using them as a "body shield" against other assailants while you deal with the clinched victim. Unfortunately, BJJ is woefully unsuited to the task of multiple enemy defense since most of its takedowns are sacrificial (that is, you go down with the attacker.)


I could accept that ... at least you articulate in your explanation ... thanks for that ...
Lol. You'll forgive my one-sided argument on this, but experiential data drives my fervor. A simple counter-argument to my point is that when it comes right down to it, the best defense in any given situation is a careful blending of whatever works for the fighter in question. While I prefer striking, I know that a good collar tie or clinch makes a punch, knee, or elbow that much more effective, and in those rare single situations where it's just you and someone else, it's hard to beat the pain compliance of a good armbar while you wait for the cops to get there. TKD works for TKD practitioners, and in summation of the thread thus far it's just hard to tell who will win in a given fight between the grappler and the TKD player simply because there are a near-infinite combination of body types, fighting preferences, and training levels. Basically, go with what works, and don't make assumptions about a fighter just because of the fighting style they claim.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:09 am


quiet_way
baka_boy1221
quiet_way
baka_boy1221
quiet_way
God Emperor Akhenaton

If someone can fight after cartilage is forced into an artery connected to the brain, then you can still follow up on attacks. You don't have to stand there and watch them get pissed. Attack them and make sure their body turns into a sack of meat.

I guess it's time to chime in, since I been a staunch defender of the art of Taekwondo for a great while now. To address the question of grappling arts versus taekwondo, it's a question of goal. In a street fight, grappling is the worst thing you can possibly do, because it typically leads to the ground and if your opponent has any friends with him at all, you lose. Period. Effective striking and clinching are essential on the street venue, and TKD has both of those.

In the martial sport arena, the rules change markedly. With no concern about outside interference, grappling becomes decidedly more important. Again, throws, standing clinches, and strikes are all present in TKD, but unfortunately the art doesn't translate very well. TKD IS A BATTLEFIELD ART, specifically designed to kill opponents with maximum efficiency in the shortest time possible. Thus, the weakness of the art in an MMA-style arena should be apparent, since once a TKD stylist has grounded someone the typical tactic at that juncture is a killing blow. Most ITF and WTF practitioners I've dealt with compensate for this with that old standby for people who need groundwork, BJJ. All that said, if you just give a TKD player a kickboxing coach and teach them to "protect their head", you'll be performing an unnecessary service.

Any (and I do mean ANY) real TKD player will point out, upon questioning, that their primary target in most engagements is the head. Therefore, they train a great deal to protect that target as well. Those fast, high kicks aren't just for show and they are found in most other battlefield arts as well (looking at you, Muay Thai.) When you see a TKD player with their hands down, it is usually in a sport situation where they are more concerned with mobility and dishing out kicks in bunches for points. This weakness would also translate in the MMA arena, since points, while important, are far less significant in such a venue.

A serious TKD player is not someone to mess around with. Grappling is nice, but it should be kept in the proper place. On the street, I'd take TKD over the grappler due to precise, powerful, fast striking. However, the rules of sport fighting render TKD largely toothless, so in an octagon, ring, or mixed tournament, TKD won't always fare so well. Any MMA practitioner will gain vast ability by adding some of TKD's weapons to their arsenal.

As a sideline, I just wanted to say that in a street fight situation, I would rather have Judo or Aikido. I've been practicing Aikido for several months now and I have to say that in a street defense situation, with my personal belief set, I would much rather have the weapons that it provides than any kind of strike. But that's another thread at another time.


Though I agree with some of what you're saying ... the situation that you gave an example for ... is assumed that it's a group vs one person ... from what I've seen though grappling in a one on one setting (whether it be in a controlled environment like a ring or the street) is highly effective ...
While true, there is almost no such thing as a one on one situation in the street. The kind of people that are likely to attack generally like to do it in groups. The sole exception to this rule is mugging, which is typically spur-of-the-moment and tends to be performed by solo assailants. Since those people are typically armed, grappling is not only better in that particular case, but in fact is necessary.

Simply put, a striking art is superior in terms of street defense. There are exceptions to this, as with all rules. Aikido, for instance, focuses on the ability to engage multiple attackers with throws and misdirection. Judo is similar. Jiujitsu in its original form also has this, as does Shuai Jiao. And of course, the Muay Thai clinch is famous for being perfect for taking an enemy and using them as a "body shield" against other assailants while you deal with the clinched victim. Unfortunately, BJJ is woefully unsuited to the task of multiple enemy defense since most of its takedowns are sacrificial (that is, you go down with the attacker.)


I could accept that ... at least you articulate in your explanation ... thanks for that ...
Lol. You'll forgive my one-sided argument on this, but experiential data drives my fervor. A simple counter-argument to my point is that when it comes right down to it, the best defense in any given situation is a careful blending of whatever works for the fighter in question. While I prefer striking, I know that a good collar tie or clinch makes a punch, knee, or elbow that much more effective, and in those rare single situations where it's just you and someone else, it's hard to beat the pain compliance of a good armbar while you wait for the cops to get there. TKD works for TKD practitioners, and in summation of the thread thus far it's just hard to tell who will win in a given fight between the grappler and the TKD player simply because there are a near-infinite combination of body types, fighting preferences, and training levels. Basically, go with what works, and don't make assumptions about a fighter just because of the fighting style they claim.


But isn't there a difference between sport jiu-jitsu and jiu-jitsu combatives ...?

ladymuaythai


TMACIS

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:29 pm


Hey all! I'm a instructor for ATA taekwondo and we teach not only that but krav maga and jiu-jitsu in our school. Are main focus is Taekwondo but we also teach many ways of self defense and grappling.
Anyone else in ATA?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:45 pm


lady_cagefighter
How would you counteract against a grappling art ... like wrestling ...

First, I would keep the grappler at base martial arts level, knees to the face if they go for a shot.
low leg kicks to the front or outside of their knees with a follow up punch to the face.
Keeping a grappler at mid-range would be my preference if I had to use mostly kicks.... A good kicker should be able to stand up because of a strong base... but once you let another fighter get into their comfort zone, it becomes obvious whose match it is.

unfairfriend


quiet_way
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:24 am


unfairfriend
lady_cagefighter
How would you counteract against a grappling art ... like wrestling ...

First, I would keep the grappler at base martial arts level, knees to the face if they go for a shot.
low leg kicks to the front or outside of their knees with a follow up punch to the face.
Keeping a grappler at mid-range would be my preference if I had to use mostly kicks.... A good kicker should be able to stand up because of a strong base... but once you let another fighter get into their comfort zone, it becomes obvious whose match it is.

Lets not forget that TKD comes with its own comprehensive grappling system as well, at least in the traditional school. There's a whole collection of specially designed throws in TKD which come as natural a evolution of the striking motion.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:07 am


quiet_way
unfairfriend
lady_cagefighter
How would you counteract against a grappling art ... like wrestling ...

First, I would keep the grappler at base martial arts level, knees to the face if they go for a shot.
low leg kicks to the front or outside of their knees with a follow up punch to the face.
Keeping a grappler at mid-range would be my preference if I had to use mostly kicks.... A good kicker should be able to stand up because of a strong base... but once you let another fighter get into their comfort zone, it becomes obvious whose match it is.

Lets not forget that TKD comes with its own comprehensive grappling system as well, at least in the traditional school. There's a whole collection of specially designed throws in TKD which come as natural a evolution of the striking motion.

lol it's hard for me to say, because I did varsity wrestling and was a brown belt in tkd .... so I can't separate the experiences, but tkd gave me a good guard against leg sweeps. It really depends how experienced the grappler is, because a state-college level wrestler should be able to sink their hips to a throw and the same goes for an experienced judoku. The fact is that such matches depend on individuals, if both are at a high level that is relatively equal, it's a matter of luck more than style.

unfairfriend


quiet_way
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:23 pm


unfairfriend
quiet_way
unfairfriend
lady_cagefighter
How would you counteract against a grappling art ... like wrestling ...

First, I would keep the grappler at base martial arts level, knees to the face if they go for a shot.
low leg kicks to the front or outside of their knees with a follow up punch to the face.
Keeping a grappler at mid-range would be my preference if I had to use mostly kicks.... A good kicker should be able to stand up because of a strong base... but once you let another fighter get into their comfort zone, it becomes obvious whose match it is.

Lets not forget that TKD comes with its own comprehensive grappling system as well, at least in the traditional school. There's a whole collection of specially designed throws in TKD which come as natural a evolution of the striking motion.

lol it's hard for me to say, because I did varsity wrestling and was a brown belt in tkd .... so I can't separate the experiences, but tkd gave me a good guard against leg sweeps. It really depends how experienced the grappler is, because a state-college level wrestler should be able to sink their hips to a throw and the same goes for an experienced judoku. The fact is that such matches depend on individuals, if both are at a high level that is relatively equal, it's a matter of luck more than style.
I would prefer to say "skill" rather than "luck", but other than that I fundamentally agree.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:39 am


I am currently a 3rd degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do, I would have been 4th degree by now, but I had to leave my Tae Kwon Do school behind when I went to college. I still train on my own and have started studying other martial arts on my own as well, to help round out my Tae Kwon Do and self defense skills. I've been doing Tae Kwon Do since I was 5, so about 14 years now. I am also deep into the mental and spiritual aspects of Tae Kwon Do and have read a lot of books on Zen and the martial arts. I currently am hoping to compete in the American National Championship for Tae Kwon Do within a year or two. And thats all there is about me.

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