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 Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:00 pm
baka_boy1221 Master Fearhoral baka_boy1221 So how would a TKD fighter adapt their style to MMA ... how would any style adapt to the MMA? going in with just one art under your belt i would think might put you in a disadvantage with the MMA given most fighters have 2-3 arts under them. course just in a single style situation had i been the TKD Fighter i would use quick blows and keep my distance from my opponent. also do whatever i can to tire my opponent out. of course thats pretty much basic to all fighting >.> I could definitely see keeping the fight at range for a TKD ... but getting a an MMA guy tired ... unless the guy is fresh to the whole cardio and conditioning thing of MMA ... then I don't see a TKD guy gassing an MMA guy ... no easy task XD and as i said most of them have multiple arts under them. me against a pro MMA fighter ide be better off just takeing my clothes off and say "come on!" cant see many people wanting to pin down a naked guy. might scare him XD or make him think im a complete nut
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:04 pm
Master Fearhoral baka_boy1221 Master Fearhoral baka_boy1221 So how would a TKD fighter adapt their style to MMA ... how would any style adapt to the MMA? going in with just one art under your belt i would think might put you in a disadvantage with the MMA given most fighters have 2-3 arts under them. course just in a single style situation had i been the TKD Fighter i would use quick blows and keep my distance from my opponent. also do whatever i can to tire my opponent out. of course thats pretty much basic to all fighting >.> I could definitely see keeping the fight at range for a TKD ... but getting a an MMA guy tired ... unless the guy is fresh to the whole cardio and conditioning thing of MMA ... then I don't see a TKD guy gassing an MMA guy ... no easy task XD and as i said most of them have multiple arts under them. me against a pro MMA fighter ide be better off just takeing my clothes off and say "come on!" cant see many people wanting to pin down a naked guy. might scare him XD or make him think im a complete nut Well obviously ... if I was about to fight someone and they ripped all their close off ... yeah ... I'd be worried ...
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:22 pm
Master Fearhoral baka_boy1221 Master Fearhoral baka_boy1221 So how would a TKD fighter adapt their style to MMA ... how would any style adapt to the MMA? going in with just one art under your belt i would think might put you in a disadvantage with the MMA given most fighters have 2-3 arts under them. course just in a single style situation had i been the TKD Fighter i would use quick blows and keep my distance from my opponent. also do whatever i can to tire my opponent out. of course thats pretty much basic to all fighting >.> I could definitely see keeping the fight at range for a TKD ... but getting a an MMA guy tired ... unless the guy is fresh to the whole cardio and conditioning thing of MMA ... then I don't see a TKD guy gassing an MMA guy ... no easy task XD and as i said most of them have multiple arts under them. me against a pro MMA fighter ide be better off just takeing my clothes off and say "come on!" cant see many people wanting to pin down a naked guy. might scare him XD or make him think im a complete nut Wow ... ewww ...
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:24 pm
I will be a 1st dan 2nd tip black belt as of October. At my dojang, this is considered one of the biggest turning points in the path to become a grand master. This is when you are becoming a newbie junior instructor which is really hard to become. But hey, taekwondo and all the martial arts are about facing obstacles, right? I just love taekwondo and there are so many benefits that come with the art. xp
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:38 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:01 am
I've recently obtained my black belt in Tae Kwon Do, and it's an amazing style if you prefer kicking to other forms of contact. I really enjoy it, and it's improved my balance. I've been doing it since I was 5-ish, and I'm 12 now, so that's....7 years roughly.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:34 pm
Grumpy Dragon I've recently obtained my black belt in Tae Kwon Do, and it's an amazing style if you prefer kicking to other forms of contact. I really enjoy it, and it's improved my balance. I've been doing it since I was 5-ish, and I'm 12 now, so that's....7 years roughly. Impressive ... so what's your favorite kick ...
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:17 pm
Regral God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma Well there is grappling and then there is GRAPPLING ... what I meant was like a very high level, top of the food chain typ of deal against TKD... Someone can't win a grappling fight against a grappler. But at the same time, a grappler can't win a fist fight against a blackbelt in the ITF. I'm not asking who would win ... a striker going to a pure grappling setting will no doubt lose ... what I am asking is how would a high level TKD black belt counteract a high level grappler ... like if taken down how the TKD fighter get back to his feet and stay there ... Yes he would. Your flaw is that you think grappling is the golden ticket to winning a fight. The motto of TKD is to deliver a knockout or even killing blow to an enemy in the first hit and if that didn't work, then their opponent is faced with 100+ combination attacks. First Off In a fight between 2 people grappling in usually the deciding factor, anyone can hold there own standing as long as they have power, and cardio with a basic understanding on how to strike. the learning curve for striking is a quick one. while grappling has to many to master >.> so yes theres a disadvantage if a grappler stands up with a TKD Person but not as much of one if the grappler gets to to the ground. not to mention if were talking about TKD vs Random sluggers TKD is not so good since it has low perfection for the head keeping you hands at your waist is not good practice. That least to the question how would they adapt TKD for MMA? well ive seen it done alot, its just give them a kickboxing coach they learn how to defend there head. they cut the crescent kick and other useless crap thats low % moves and they usally have a great base speed and alot of snapping kicks. The obviously you don't know jack s**t about the art. TKD is a martial art utilized for the purpose of self-defense in the military. MMA is purely sport and thus utilized that way. So I could care less about them. Against an actual street fight, I would easily pick TKD over Judo or Aikido. Those arts never told me that forcing my palm upwards into the nose could cause a brain hemorrhage, the ITF did.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:32 pm
God Emperor Akhenaton Regral God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma Well there is grappling and then there is GRAPPLING ... what I meant was like a very high level, top of the food chain typ of deal against TKD... Someone can't win a grappling fight against a grappler. But at the same time, a grappler can't win a fist fight against a blackbelt in the ITF. I'm not asking who would win ... a striker going to a pure grappling setting will no doubt lose ... what I am asking is how would a high level TKD black belt counteract a high level grappler ... like if taken down how the TKD fighter get back to his feet and stay there ... Yes he would. Your flaw is that you think grappling is the golden ticket to winning a fight. The motto of TKD is to deliver a knockout or even killing blow to an enemy in the first hit and if that didn't work, then their opponent is faced with 100+ combination attacks. First Off In a fight between 2 people grappling in usually the deciding factor, anyone can hold there own standing as long as they have power, and cardio with a basic understanding on how to strike. the learning curve for striking is a quick one. while grappling has to many to master >.> so yes theres a disadvantage if a grappler stands up with a TKD Person but not as much of one if the grappler gets to to the ground. not to mention if were talking about TKD vs Random sluggers TKD is not so good since it has low perfection for the head keeping you hands at your waist is not good practice. That least to the question how would they adapt TKD for MMA? well ive seen it done alot, its just give them a kickboxing coach they learn how to defend there head. they cut the crescent kick and other useless crap thats low % moves and they usally have a great base speed and alot of snapping kicks. The obviously you don't know jack s**t about the art. TKD is a martial art utilized for the purpose of self-defense in the military. MMA is purely sport and thus utilized that way. So I could care less about them. Against an actual street fight, I would easily pick TKD over Judo or Aikido. Those arts never told me that forcing my palm upwards into the nose could cause a brain hemorrhage, the ITF did. Let me remind you ... that the United States Marine Corp ... brings in fighters from the UFC to help train ground fighting techniques to the troops ... if that ain't credibility ... I don't know what is ... As well ... though MMA is a combat sport ... it could easily become applicable to a real world setting ... a lot of fighters will and have thrown the rule book out the window ... You could ask Roger Huerta that ... TMZ: Ex-UFC Star in Bloody Street Fight -- Caught on TapeSo to you, "Jackshit you know about the art."
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:17 am
Crazy how that's Joe Rogan ... I know he's all legit and all ... but damn ...
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:23 am
baka_boy1221 God Emperor Akhenaton Regral God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma I'm not asking who would win ... a striker going to a pure grappling setting will no doubt lose ... what I am asking is how would a high level TKD black belt counteract a high level grappler ... like if taken down how the TKD fighter get back to his feet and stay there ... Yes he would. Your flaw is that you think grappling is the golden ticket to winning a fight. The motto of TKD is to deliver a knockout or even killing blow to an enemy in the first hit and if that didn't work, then their opponent is faced with 100+ combination attacks. First Off In a fight between 2 people grappling in usually the deciding factor, anyone can hold there own standing as long as they have power, and cardio with a basic understanding on how to strike. the learning curve for striking is a quick one. while grappling has to many to master >.> so yes theres a disadvantage if a grappler stands up with a TKD Person but not as much of one if the grappler gets to to the ground. not to mention if were talking about TKD vs Random sluggers TKD is not so good since it has low perfection for the head keeping you hands at your waist is not good practice. That least to the question how would they adapt TKD for MMA? well ive seen it done alot, its just give them a kickboxing coach they learn how to defend there head. they cut the crescent kick and other useless crap thats low % moves and they usally have a great base speed and alot of snapping kicks. The obviously you don't know jack s**t about the art. TKD is a martial art utilized for the purpose of self-defense in the military. MMA is purely sport and thus utilized that way. So I could care less about them. Against an actual street fight, I would easily pick TKD over Judo or Aikido. Those arts never told me that forcing my palm upwards into the nose could cause a brain hemorrhage, the ITF did. Let me remind you ... that the United States Marine Corp ... brings in fighters from the UFC to help train ground fighting techniques to the troops ... if that ain't credibility ... I don't know what is ... As well ... though MMA is a combat sport ... it could easily become applicable to a real world setting ... a lot of fighters will and have thrown the rule book out the window ... You could ask Roger Huerta that ... TMZ: Ex-UFC Star in Bloody Street Fight -- Caught on TapeSo to you, "Jackshit you know about the art." I would also like to add that everyone is different ... what causes a brain hemorrage in one person ... will cause a broken nose in another ... which in turn cause another person to get really pissed off ... as well as that ... with a thing called movement ... the nose is a hard thing to hit ... let alone worry about ... And even in the case of a hemmorage ... the effects won't be immediate ... that's a good hour or two ... and well with a guy on top ... smashing one's head into the pavement, beating their face in ... well ... you're just s**t out of luck ...
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:46 am
baka_boy1221 God Emperor Akhenaton Regral God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma I'm not asking who would win ... a striker going to a pure grappling setting will no doubt lose ... what I am asking is how would a high level TKD black belt counteract a high level grappler ... like if taken down how the TKD fighter get back to his feet and stay there ... Yes he would. Your flaw is that you think grappling is the golden ticket to winning a fight. The motto of TKD is to deliver a knockout or even killing blow to an enemy in the first hit and if that didn't work, then their opponent is faced with 100+ combination attacks. First Off In a fight between 2 people grappling in usually the deciding factor, anyone can hold there own standing as long as they have power, and cardio with a basic understanding on how to strike. the learning curve for striking is a quick one. while grappling has to many to master >.> so yes theres a disadvantage if a grappler stands up with a TKD Person but not as much of one if the grappler gets to to the ground. not to mention if were talking about TKD vs Random sluggers TKD is not so good since it has low perfection for the head keeping you hands at your waist is not good practice. That least to the question how would they adapt TKD for MMA? well ive seen it done alot, its just give them a kickboxing coach they learn how to defend there head. they cut the crescent kick and other useless crap thats low % moves and they usally have a great base speed and alot of snapping kicks. The obviously you don't know jack s**t about the art. TKD is a martial art utilized for the purpose of self-defense in the military. MMA is purely sport and thus utilized that way. So I could care less about them. Against an actual street fight, I would easily pick TKD over Judo or Aikido. Those arts never told me that forcing my palm upwards into the nose could cause a brain hemorrhage, the ITF did. You could ask Roger Huerta that ... TMZ: Ex-UFC Star in Bloody Street Fight -- Caught on TapeCase and point ...
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:39 am
baka_boy1221 Let me remind you ... that the United States Marine Corp ... brings in fighters from the UFC to help train ground fighting techniques to the troops ... if that ain't credibility ... I don't know what is ... Yeah, I also know blackbelts in TKD that train special forces. In my opinion, the military isn't the best place to learn a martian art. My friend who is in the army as a mechanic while another is a rifleman, they only got 4 hours of hand to hand combat. baka_boy1221 As well ... though MMA is a combat sport ... it could easily become applicable to a real world setting ... a lot of fighters will and have thrown the rule book out the window ... Yeah, but do they know how to kill and block moves that are illegal in MMA?
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:41 am
afromma baka_boy1221 God Emperor Akhenaton Regral God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma I'm not asking who would win ... a striker going to a pure grappling setting will no doubt lose ... what I am asking is how would a high level TKD black belt counteract a high level grappler ... like if taken down how the TKD fighter get back to his feet and stay there ... Yes he would. Your flaw is that you think grappling is the golden ticket to winning a fight. The motto of TKD is to deliver a knockout or even killing blow to an enemy in the first hit and if that didn't work, then their opponent is faced with 100+ combination attacks. First Off In a fight between 2 people grappling in usually the deciding factor, anyone can hold there own standing as long as they have power, and cardio with a basic understanding on how to strike. the learning curve for striking is a quick one. while grappling has to many to master >.> so yes theres a disadvantage if a grappler stands up with a TKD Person but not as much of one if the grappler gets to to the ground. not to mention if were talking about TKD vs Random sluggers TKD is not so good since it has low perfection for the head keeping you hands at your waist is not good practice. That least to the question how would they adapt TKD for MMA? well ive seen it done alot, its just give them a kickboxing coach they learn how to defend there head. they cut the crescent kick and other useless crap thats low % moves and they usally have a great base speed and alot of snapping kicks. The obviously you don't know jack s**t about the art. TKD is a martial art utilized for the purpose of self-defense in the military. MMA is purely sport and thus utilized that way. So I could care less about them. Against an actual street fight, I would easily pick TKD over Judo or Aikido. Those arts never told me that forcing my palm upwards into the nose could cause a brain hemorrhage, the ITF did. Let me remind you ... that the United States Marine Corp ... brings in fighters from the UFC to help train ground fighting techniques to the troops ... if that ain't credibility ... I don't know what is ... As well ... though MMA is a combat sport ... it could easily become applicable to a real world setting ... a lot of fighters will and have thrown the rule book out the window ... You could ask Roger Huerta that ... TMZ: Ex-UFC Star in Bloody Street Fight -- Caught on TapeSo to you, "Jackshit you know about the art." I would also like to add that everyone is different ... what causes a brain hemorrage in one person ... will cause a broken nose in another ... which in turn cause another person to get really pissed off ... as well as that ... with a thing called movement ... the nose is a hard thing to hit ... let alone worry about ... And even in the case of a hemmorage ... the effects won't be immediate ... that's a good hour or two ... and well with a guy on top ... smashing one's head into the pavement, beating their face in ... well ... you're just s**t out of luck ... If someone can fight after cartilage is forced into an artery connected to the brain, then you can still follow up on attacks. You don't have to stand there and watch them get pissed. Attack them and make sure their body turns into a sack of meat.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:31 am
God Emperor Akhenaton afromma baka_boy1221 God Emperor Akhenaton Regral First Off In a fight between 2 people grappling in usually the deciding factor, anyone can hold there own standing as long as they have power, and cardio with a basic understanding on how to strike. the learning curve for striking is a quick one. while grappling has to many to master >.> so yes theres a disadvantage if a grappler stands up with a TKD Person but not as much of one if the grappler gets to to the ground. not to mention if were talking about TKD vs Random sluggers TKD is not so good since it has low perfection for the head keeping you hands at your waist is not good practice. That least to the question how would they adapt TKD for MMA? well ive seen it done alot, its just give them a kickboxing coach they learn how to defend there head. they cut the crescent kick and other useless crap thats low % moves and they usally have a great base speed and alot of snapping kicks. The obviously you don't know jack s**t about the art. TKD is a martial art utilized for the purpose of self-defense in the military. MMA is purely sport and thus utilized that way. So I could care less about them. Against an actual street fight, I would easily pick TKD over Judo or Aikido. Those arts never told me that forcing my palm upwards into the nose could cause a brain hemorrhage, the ITF did. Let me remind you ... that the United States Marine Corp ... brings in fighters from the UFC to help train ground fighting techniques to the troops ... if that ain't credibility ... I don't know what is ... As well ... though MMA is a combat sport ... it could easily become applicable to a real world setting ... a lot of fighters will and have thrown the rule book out the window ... You could ask Roger Huerta that ... TMZ: Ex-UFC Star in Bloody Street Fight -- Caught on TapeSo to you, "Jackshit you know about the art." I would also like to add that everyone is different ... what causes a brain hemorrage in one person ... will cause a broken nose in another ... which in turn cause another person to get really pissed off ... as well as that ... with a thing called movement ... the nose is a hard thing to hit ... let alone worry about ... And even in the case of a hemmorage ... the effects won't be immediate ... that's a good hour or two ... and well with a guy on top ... smashing one's head into the pavement, beating their face in ... well ... you're just s**t out of luck ... If someone can fight after cartilage is forced into an artery connected to the brain, then you can still follow up on attacks. You don't have to stand there and watch them get pissed. Attack them and make sure their body turns into a sack of meat. I guess it's time to chime in, since I been a staunch defender of the art of Taekwondo for a great while now. To address the question of grappling arts versus taekwondo, it's a question of goal. In a street fight, grappling is the worst thing you can possibly do, because it typically leads to the ground and if your opponent has any friends with him at all, you lose. Period. Effective striking and clinching are essential on the street venue, and TKD has both of those. In the martial sport arena, the rules change markedly. With no concern about outside interference, grappling becomes decidedly more important. Again, throws, standing clinches, and strikes are all present in TKD, but unfortunately the art doesn't translate very well. TKD IS A BATTLEFIELD ART, specifically designed to kill opponents with maximum efficiency in the shortest time possible. Thus, the weakness of the art in an MMA-style arena should be apparent, since once a TKD stylist has grounded someone the typical tactic at that juncture is a killing blow. Most ITF and WTF practitioners I've dealt with compensate for this with that old standby for people who need groundwork, BJJ. All that said, if you just give a TKD player a kickboxing coach and teach them to "protect their head", you'll be performing an unnecessary service. Any (and I do mean ANY) real TKD player will point out, upon questioning, that their primary target in most engagements is the head. Therefore, they train a great deal to protect that target as well. Those fast, high kicks aren't just for show and they are found in most other battlefield arts as well (looking at you, Muay Thai.) When you see a TKD player with their hands down, it is usually in a sport situation where they are more concerned with mobility and dishing out kicks in bunches for points. This weakness would also translate in the MMA arena, since points, while important, are far less significant in such a venue. A serious TKD player is not someone to mess around with. Grappling is nice, but it should be kept in the proper place. On the street, I'd take TKD over the grappler due to precise, powerful, fast striking. However, the rules of sport fighting render TKD largely toothless, so in an octagon, ring, or mixed tournament, TKD won't always fare so well. Any MMA practitioner will gain vast ability by adding some of TKD's weapons to their arsenal. As a sideline, I just wanted to say that in a street fight situation, I would rather have Judo or Aikido. I've been practicing Aikido for several months now and I have to say that in a street defense situation, with my personal belief set, I would much rather have the weapons that it provides than any kind of strike. But that's another thread at another time.
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