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Niccolo Salomanos Captain
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 Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:47 pm
Ishtar Shakti Niccolo Salomanos Aaaaah, that past self. xD I've never heard of that "past self" before. Hunh. Well, unfortunately I know very, very few of the details and haven't spoken to her in... months. So yeah. Well... it seems strange to believe that we just come Into existance when we are incarnated. That would be a ton of new souls. But at the same time what happens to a persons memory when they die what happens when people die. What happens to people who may have work that they do. Just questions and I found answers... I don't think many people Have heard of this past self but it seems like not many people think about it. Its just a short cut that I used when trying to teach people how to practice. I used it for a couple years until I decided it was a bad idea and it created emotional problems for the person and changed them dramatically. That and I don't think I should teach people anymore anyways. But if your Ever curious it is there and can lead you to a ton of information about how the realms work and how to practice. Its like a direct link to your subconscious. Though it doesn't work for some people because some people ... well before they were incarnated they didn't know anything and you can't draw on information that isn't there. I've found its more useful for people who have some natural talent. *Nodnod* Reincarnation, yes... I believe in that too, if only to appease my inner scientist. Long story. Anyhoo... I see what you're talking about now. I still suspect they were different doors, but at least now we're on the same page. So, there's a repository in there somewhere with all of my past lives' knowledge in it? Oooooohhh... That IS rather tempting...
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:03 am
The suppositor is the other part of you, you know binding right?
Well what happens is that the knowledge is bound. The wierd physics of the realms have it though that a person can split their consciousness... meaning that a person if they have enough skill can have two different selves in opperation at a single moment. Its much like how people can develop multiple personalities with multiple versions of what their history may be like. In this case one self is living while the other self still exists in the realms.
To truly tap your knowledge, what you knew before you were incarnated, you would have to Merge with this self. This requires breaking that which is dividing your sense of being and accepting the past way of being into your self. Similar techniques as to merging with a alter.
What is much Easier to do though is Usually your other self would keep records or books. This is where cheep tricks come in. You can read books which your other self has read and you can draw on the knowledge the other person has in order to understand the material. Sharing knowledge and merging of selves can greatly enhance gaining of knowledge and abilities. Most people who practice do this without really any awareness of what they are doing.
Reading someone elses books though... its like a stepping stone almost. You read their books... you fight with your past selves weapons you sit in their favorite chair and this can help you get closer to them.
I had a blast when I went through this. I guess me and them have a really wierd sense of humor so I found all these things which just made me crack up laughing. They had all sorts of things which had neat tricks and when I played with them I just instinctually knew how to use them. Light shows and something akin to movies. Different perceptual things! God ... I have faint memories of food I've never eaten but I served it to my friends and they Loved it.
There are these creepy cupid constructs I made for a lark and I had a small army of them attack my friend and he was just running and screaming in this very comical manner. They weren't Dangerous but they were Sooo horribly creepy that no one wanted to get near them. I got a whole bunch of knowledge about stuff which is completely utterly pointless...
But its all thanks to that neat little house that the door led me to. The more I played in this place the more I remembered from my past and the more things I figured out how to do. It was a bad thing though because afterwards I was severly bound and ended up attracting some attention because not Everyone thought what I found funny was actually Funny... but I still think its worth it. The house was also saturated with my energy so I could do work their much easier then in other places. It was also a safe environment for me to play in so that other things couldn't see me or track me.
The importance of the place isn't so much that it houses all the knowledge... You house all the knowledge you just don't have access to it. The house though can give you access through familiarity.
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:12 am
So to restate. You are the important reppository of knowledge. But you can't access knowledge which you are unfamiliar with. Its hard to accept things which are foreign to your available thought frame.
In order to over come this you have to go about making the thoughts and the knowledge more able to fit with your existing framework. You have to engross yourself in who you were.
What I refrain from doing is speeding along the process so that people just remember stuff. I no longer act as an enzyme reducing the required energy for a process to take place. Oh so natural is better
A place can act like a catalyst. Its like... riding a bycycle after you haven't for 20 some odd years.
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:40 am
Please, please, PLEASE stop using the word suppository.
If something is a suppository it gets shoved up your a**.
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Ishtar, the word you are thinking of is repository... I hope. Oh good God I hope you mean a repository.
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Niccolo Salomanos Captain
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:38 pm
Niccolo Salomanos Please, please, PLEASE stop using the word suppository. If something is a suppository it gets shoved up your a**. ... Ishtar, the word you are thinking of is repository... I hope. Oh good God I hope you mean a repository. OH GOD I CANT STOP LAUGHING yah yah repository. I was writing that late last night rofl God if you could learn by... oh my... rofl I was using the word you used kinda it just flipped in my head. I usually use different words to refere to it
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:57 pm
Ishtar Shakti OH GOD I CANT STOP LAUGHING yah yah repository. I was writing that late last night rofl God if you could learn by... oh my... rofl I was using the word you used kinda it just flipped in my head. I usually use different words to refere to it Heeheehee I thought that might amuse you! xD I've been waiting to see if anyone else would notice... but nobody else did. Hunh.
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Niccolo Salomanos Captain
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Tsume Rokaro Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:44 pm
Niccolo Salomanos Please, please, PLEASE stop using the word suppository. If something is a suppository it gets shoved up your a**. ... Ishtar, the word you are thinking of is repository... I hope. Oh good God I hope you mean a repository. *cracks up* lol I'm sorry...I had to laugh at that. Nick...that is one of the more entertaining things I've heard you say, and that's saying something. XD You can ignore me now. XD (*so totally counterproductive*)
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:43 pm
Niccolo Salomanos Ishtar Shakti OH GOD I CANT STOP LAUGHING yah yah repository. I was writing that late last night rofl God if you could learn by... oh my... rofl I was using the word you used kinda it just flipped in my head. I usually use different words to refere to it Heeheehee I thought that might amuse you! xD I've been waiting to see if anyone else would notice... but nobody else did. Hunh. Definitely amusing... I've said some horrible things by accident before though
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Niccolo Salomanos Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:45 am
Clearly. After all, you were just talking about getting sodomised by the biggest, hugest book of knowledge anywhere in the known universe.
xD We all stay stupid things. I do believe I have some rather memorable ones... though I shall not divulge them. Let us return to a topic that does not involve such discomfort, hmm?
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:33 am
Ok Back to topic
Did you know that you can read histories from stones?
I actually got to witness this once though the history that was found wasn't... to happy
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Niccolo Salomanos Captain
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:13 pm
I did know that, albeit not easily. (for me, anyway)
You can read histories from anything, though various states hold history for different lengths of time. Air holds history for a matter of minutes or hours, as do other gases;
Water and other liquids hold for longer;
Stones and other sturdy solids hold for the longest, with other various solids lying between liquids and stones.
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:07 am
Niccolo Salomanos I did know that, albeit not easily. (for me, anyway) You can read histories from anything, though various states hold history for different lengths of time. Air holds history for a matter of minutes or hours, as do other gases; Water and other liquids hold for longer; Stones and other sturdy solids hold for the longest, with other various solids lying between liquids and stones. It isn't easy for me to get as detailed as an experience as she did. I probably wouldn't have been able to see nearly as much if I wasn't using her to facilitate my ability. Hmmm i wonder if anyone else does that? I'm not sure if its a parasitic relationship or not. I always just assumed I was given more access to help people but I wonder if I both use people and am given more in situations like those. *shrug* I guess if your will is strong enough and pervasive enough it will slip through cracks. In Anycase due to my interactions with her I was able to see the events as she peiced themtogether. I'm not sure how much was my work taking what she already did and peicing as well. It was sort of calaborative but she definitely did more then me. It was a joy to see though... it did deal with someone's death. The most tell tail sign though was that she actually uncovered physical evidence of a sigil that the person had hidden beneath this plastic paint substance. The entire thing was about dragons... well the person wasn't a dragon but was a drake... or well a sub species vs. pure blood. I mean this was also the most tell tail sign for my belief in otherkin. In anycase the persons blood was needed and their was something about making it burn. I'm not sure... but their were actual Ashes on the rock in the shape of a claw and their were marks all over the place sigils that had been covered over with other type of paint to make them look like grafitti but some you could still see. The entire... situation was actually quite dreadful... and infuriating and upsetting. I don't like talking about it because it seems almost disrespectful to the dead so I'm not giving details. Just that... to know s**t like that happens in RL. That people are killed in ritualistic murders because of what their soul is ... its just disturbing. Things like that make me very happy that their are soo many precautions taken to hide peoples identities and protect people but its also upsetting because the girl couldn't protect herself at all. So I guess... I don't know... I'm kind of glad that its hard to read things at the same time I'm not really happy about it. All of this makes me question whether or not ignorance might be a good thing. I mean... the things people will do in the name of power! ********...
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:21 am
Soo yah... never went through anything that was soo convincing of the most improbable things in my life. Reading rocks wasn't something really... well... not difficult or foreign but getting an entire hour long at least sequence of event, like a video that you could speed up if you want of events, well that was just a theory to me before then.
Imprinting one things but the level of detail involved that was stored in that rock was just mind blowing. I guess the event was also highly charged and it was a place which was naturally weaker and was already semi charged with energy.
Then otherkin... I mean I could accept that souls have different existances then normal lives. But that it was actually important in some way never crossed my mind. That long term association with a particular soul type could in anyway physically imbue a persons body with certain characteristics which may be used in spell work as a gateway to that type of energy which might be unable to be aquired in the astral or whatnot... just WTF...
I mean... thats something that was... just... wtf moment stamped all over it.Your otherkin matters in anyway accept understanding certain socio cultural tendencies due to being enculturated in a certain specific environment while your dead and being a specific possition etc. and the affects of being raised bleeding through seemed Rational to some degree but the whole physical blood link thing just... I always thought people made that s**t up to a degree.
I'd been stairing at these signs... unable to go to my favorite spot for years and I couldn't figure out why. She goes there for a couple hours and I am mind blown. I'd been wondering why I'd been avoiding it and POOF ******** you logic. Reality got in the way...
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:00 am
*Shakes head* That's people's beliefs talking. It's horrible, some of the stuff we'll see. Some of the stuff we've seen... But, no. It's not better to live in ignorance. You know the truth of the matter, my dear. You bear witness and understand the tragedy.
As to the spells... I don't know much, but mind-theory and soul-theory are my specialties.
Souls are souls are souls. They're all made out of the same energy, the same building blocks infused with the essence of the divine - the name of that divine depending on who you pray to.
The thing is, we all have the potential to be - or have been - therians and otherkin, because your soul, Ishtar, my soul, Tsume's soul - and yes, Zalin's soul, even with his resume - are made of the same basic components. The same energies, the same power, the same structure. Some therians never know, simply because they never look, or can't comprehend, or don't care. I've never looked, and it's 'cause I don't care enough to learn. I don't want to know about my past lives.
Back to what I was saying... The association with a certain body shouldn't have physical changes on their other bodies. If my dear sisters spend their next thirty lives as wolves, their thirty-first shouldn't have longer fangs or coarser hair because of it.
It may be that their lupine souls are drawn to bodies that will grow to possess the odd wolfy trait like coarser hair, yellow eyes, increased ability to metabolise meat and so on - a matter of comfort, if you will - but you have the cause and effect mixed up.
To all of my understanding about how souls and bodies work... there cannot be any physical blood link. Which is why I will never, ever see it.
But... as with so many things... there is tremendous power in belief. If the people believe that this otherkin's blood can be used in a spell, chances are it will help. Belief is the most powerful tool in our arsenal; it is the glue that holds our abilities together and the link between our minds and the esoteric energies we wield.
As such... Their horrible, unnecessary and utterly pointless murder gave them blood that would, through the power of their belief, be empowered in a sufficient way to enhance their spell.
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Niccolo Salomanos Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:30 am
Generally speaking... Its only because I've seen physical changes occur that I believe in physical changes being possible. The only reason why blood is important in my belief scheme is that blood and bone is what people practice through. It provides currents for energy and thus is sometimes greatly charged with the persons associated energy.
I can accept that their could be physical link, by pervasive gradual association, mostly because I have seen things physically change through pervasive association with will. That this can be done quickly or slowly depending on the persons involved. That it would change the physical structure of the blood I don't believe because of the complexity of changing that would be... a bit more then changing the configuration or the way in which things move. Kind of like shifting vs. changing the nature of a molecule. Moving it from one place to another is easier then changing its base nature. But that you can have surface associations... infused energy etc. that is how I believe this to work.
The four levels of change, the ambient associations, the surface structure and associations and the deep structure and associations and then the molecule or base structure and associations.
The person I was talking to believed that the persons blood itself caused the burn. I couldn't accept this. I could accept that they used the persons blood to link the person to their spirit.
She said that the burn marks on the tree were from one of the people involved that were trapped. They created the fire... for some reason I somewhat believe this... though I'm not sure how because I could feel the person in the residue of the burnt ashes of the tree and I could feel where they sat. I'm more empathic... soo I could feel the energy... I can't see as well as her but I could feel the energy of every single person their. I could see him sitting their... but for me it was like the imprint of a person on space.
I don't know... which... I don't know if she was right because I never have developed sight like her or my other friends.
In my belief structure our bodies are also made of the same substance... only universaly more complex then the structure of our souls. This is part of the reason why you can change form in the realms soo easily. Our souls though carry the imprints the memories of our entire existance. Its like a tree so at your core the first form you ever had... the one you came into existance with... this form affects all other forms. All your past affects your present. I view everything as extremely interconnected. I try to view all the causal affects to a relationship.
I would agree that like calls to like... that a person who was one way if they had a choice would opt for a body which has those characteristics. I think that it depends on your power or ability to create change whether you could in some way affect your form and I believe that some people have these characteristics independent of what their soul looks like and then romanticizes lets say their coarse hair into being the coat of a beast in order to see something good about what they consider a flawed form.
If pointy teeth make me a vampire... thats soo much better then a freakishly unevolved human who never lost the monky strain of over large incizors. My slim frame and inability to gain weight... why that must make me an elf.
Physical problems become the occurance of psychic forms... just as much as psychic forms might shape what people choose for physical ones. I thus... try to distinguish true form... with Astral Body and soul form. I don't really think in terms of therian.
I think what you want to be is independent from what you are. What you Are will affect you way for and by being a therian your probably growing further distant from your true self.
All my knowledge of how souls and bodies are linked is that the body is a conduit for energy and that the soul doesn't actually reside in the body fully. Its mostly just an expression of will through a physical medium and thus the affects are usually minimal.
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