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 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:42 pm
[Forever Lost] Carburators: Because Fuel injection is where it's at. ;] i would have to disagree with that.
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:03 pm
they both have their pro's and con's but fuel injection is more efficient and will make alot more power. where as if something breaks on a fuel injection system its sometimes hard to fix and on the other hand carbs are very simple to work on
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:53 pm
Actually, I'd have to agree with Lost. There's really no reason why you should need carburation. neutral
It's just that some carburated engines have that elusive "hardcore" factor...for example, Nissan's L24... wink
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:55 pm
the only really good thing about a Carb is that they're easier to tune. Otherwise, they have slow throttle response, Don;'t work at funny angles (Offroad), and are not as efficient on gas.
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Maelthra Reloaded Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:16 pm
umm, slower throttle response? umm. i dont think so.
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:38 am
[Forever Lost] the only really good thing about a Carb is that they're easier to tune. Otherwise, they have slow throttle response, Don;'t work at funny angles (Offroad), and are not as efficient on gas. Easy to tune!?!?!? O.o Yes, a carberator is soo much easier to tune. Carb: Re-jet three times until you get it close to what you want. EFI: Computer automatically compensates unless you do some drastic change. (like a supercharger. and most of those kits come with new fmu's anyway)
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:38 am
yozsi umm, slower throttle response? umm. i dont think so. Yes. Case 1: Fuel injected 4.7l V-8 in a dodge Durango. The driver puts his foot to the floor, and the engine takes only as long as it takes for the Automatic to downshift before it winds up. VS.Carb'd 5.0l I-6 in a ford Bronco. the driver puts his foot to the floor in Second gear and 2k rpm. The engine hesitates, then catches up. Case 2: Dodge Durango had a Superchip computer bought for it. In five minutes, I had given the engine about 15more hp. VS.Ford Bronco had a rebuilt carb bought for it. Took me half an hour to get the single Barrel carb set up. Imagine a 4-barrel or dual carbs. rolleyes Must I go on?
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:43 pm
thats because the carb(s) were not tuned.
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:26 pm
yozsi thats because the carb(s) were not tuned. Yes, a tuned carb with a nice accellerator pump is better than a stock carb. But it's still nothing compared to a tuned port injection setup. You jump on it with a carberator and the fuel has to travel through the air into the manifold, then find an open intake valve to get sucked into. That will take longer than an injector shooting the fuel directly on the valve.
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:48 pm
Dark_Stang yozsi thats because the carb(s) were not tuned. Yes, a tuned carb with a nice accellerator pump is better than a stock carb. But it's still nothing compared to a tuned port injection setup. You jump on it with a carberator and the fuel has to travel through the air into the manifold, then find an open intake valve to get sucked into. That will take longer than an injector shooting the fuel directly on the valve. i dunno, i might be old school, but i prefer a carbie over FI on certain cars like my 240z. but i am running standalone ems on my volvo.
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:03 pm
yozsi thats because the carb(s) were not tuned. The Fuel injection on the Durango was stock at the time of the "race." As well as my Carb was properly set up, and the engine was warm.
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:49 pm
if the carb was tuned and it hesitated you got problems, i.e. ignition timing, ign advance, spark knock, bad wires, cap, rotor. blah blah....
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:57 am
yozsi if the carb was tuned and it hesitated you got problems, i.e. ignition timing, ign advance, spark knock, bad wires, cap, rotor. blah blah.... yep. you can argue in a carbs defence all you want but the truth is that FI is faster=better responce, controlled by the pcm=more efficient and will make more power. my caprice flows over 1400cfm with a dual butterfly 65mm throttlebody...thats much easier to tune and control my engine with a FI setup than it would a carb setup.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:29 am
No, yozsi, it's how a carb works. It's the same on the Buick's 4-barrel carb, and on my uncle's 429. All of them hesitate slightly before picking up.
Anyway, we need a new subject.
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Maelthra Reloaded Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:01 pm
its not how a carb works damn it. you people are using way too big accelerator pump diaphrams.
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