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[Not in the Face]

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:21 pm


Hey, I posted on your profile. I'm sorry about s**t like that. I hate it when people just b***h at you for no reason. Hmm, wondering if he's satisfied with himself. Try not to make a fool out of yourself with people like that.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:08 pm


I looked into the matter and he's not or never was in the guild, he's all over the place as pointed out by others, therefore he's not much to worry about. I would draw him out in the open and beat the crap out of him in the ED-P to show him up, other than that his sig suggest he hates Nazi's so he might not be one.

UF6


the_Crimson_Bolshevik

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:54 am


The Leninator!
Monsieur Rosebud
Commies and Nazis just hate each other...which is actually rather prejudice as I see it. Yes, technically Nazi's are racists, Commies arent, blah blah. But daying someone's beliefs are wrong is rather anti-Marxist as far as I see it.

Btw, this made me think of not too long ago when the ACLU (a lot of Commies in general) represented some Neo-Nazis right to demonstate and all that


Yeah the nazis just took it farther in World war two by killing as many of us as they could. I don't hate nazis, but I hate nazism, same with fascism. If they're racist or anti-semitic though I do hate them, or if they are violent.

I think everyone has a right to say what they like, but that doesn't mean I will like it or ever stop arguing with them but I don't flame. Has anyone here ever seen American History X? It's a great movie about neo-nazis, based on a true story but dramatized.
one of my top 10 favorite movies. It has the best character development, and also the secret ending so much better. The original script had derick shaving his head after his brother died.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:57 pm


Nazis are odd people. Sometimes they're just idiots trying to look cool, other times they're severely insane.

TheRussianBlade


UF6

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:08 pm


TheRussianBlade
Nazis are odd people. Sometimes they're just idiots trying to look cool, other times they're severely insane.
Depends on the people that are running it. Commies can just as bad, and crazy.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:24 pm


Steven Hawkings
TheRussianBlade
Nazis are odd people. Sometimes they're just idiots trying to look cool, other times they're severely insane.
Depends on the people that are running it. Commies can just as bad, and crazy.


Hitler was severly mentally ill, and so is anyone willing to do something even remotly like he did in my opinion, and capitalism made him that. World War 2, he was one of the people that came back changed, he spread his war using capitalist imperialism in a new form- fashism is capitalism without bounds, the natural final stage of capitalism (if something is not done). I think Stalin was also mentally ill and terrible, and pretty much every leader of the Soviet Union after Lenin (a few exceptions) was also fairly terrible but not to the point of insanity.

The Leninator!


The Leninator!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:27 pm


the_Crimson_Bolshevik
The Leninator!
Monsieur Rosebud
Commies and Nazis just hate each other...which is actually rather prejudice as I see it. Yes, technically Nazi's are racists, Commies arent, blah blah. But daying someone's beliefs are wrong is rather anti-Marxist as far as I see it.

Btw, this made me think of not too long ago when the ACLU (a lot of Commies in general) represented some Neo-Nazis right to demonstate and all that


Yeah the nazis just took it farther in World war two by killing as many of us as they could. I don't hate nazis, but I hate nazism, same with fascism. If they're racist or anti-semitic though I do hate them, or if they are violent.

I think everyone has a right to say what they like, but that doesn't mean I will like it or ever stop arguing with them but I don't flame. Has anyone here ever seen American History X? It's a great movie about neo-nazis, based on a true story but dramatized.
one of my top 10 favorite movies. It has the best character development, and also the secret ending so much better. The original script had derick shaving his head after his brother died.


That's interesting, the idea of hate coming back to you in a vicious circle as portrayed in the essay, that would have been an interesting ending, him shaving his head as the essay about "Hate is a baggage" is read. I kind of like the ending, it leaves one to believe it went in a vicious circle or that he kept on his path to stop more death from happening. That movie made me notice Nortan and he's truly one of today's best actors.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:50 pm


The Leninator!
Steven Hawkings
TheRussianBlade
Nazis are odd people. Sometimes they're just idiots trying to look cool, other times they're severely insane.
Depends on the people that are running it. Commies can just as bad, and crazy.


Hitler was severly mentally ill, and so is anyone willing to do something even remotly like he did in my opinion, and capitalism made him that. World War 2, he was one of the people that came back changed, he spread his war using capitalist imperialism in a new form- fashism is capitalism without bounds, the natural final stage of capitalism (if something is not done). I think Stalin was also mentally ill and terrible, and pretty much every leader of the Soviet Union after Lenin (a few exceptions) was also fairly terrible but not to the point of insanity.
Hitler was taking a lot drugs during the start of he war, and he was also suffering early stages of Parksins disease. Most of his dicessions was when he was high, the OSS did a profile on Hitler during the start of the war and finished it half way, it was a way to deterium what he wold do, he was in fact insane at all, until the very end. When he was in his bunker he was using a map with troops that never existed to fight off were the Russian army was. Stalin was examined and asked for one by a leading doctor his reports classified him as paranoid, later that day he was found dead in his office.

UF6


the_Crimson_Bolshevik

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:15 pm


does anybody see the problem with how bad Nazism got was what the allies made Germany into? I was just thinking about it, and hitler's rise to power wouldn't be so large, if they hadn't caused germany to go into a downward tailspin to destruction. At that point, anybody with a plan would follow it.

Also, why didn't we punish Serbia. The're stupid terrorist started the entire great war. We punished germany, because they ended up having to do most of the fighting. And Austrian-Hungarian empire wasn't as affected as the Germans. I know that they were coming up with plans and stuff to hit America, but thats because in the war, we helped the allies, not the Central Powers.

1st rules of staying neutral, is

a) staying out of everything.

or

b) taking advantages of both sides and reaping the benefits.

since it was obvious what sides were are allies, it was obvious that sooner or later, we would be dragged in. And so the germans were brilliant in trying to instigate a pre-emptive strike. now theirs two theories to the whole letter to mexico deal.

a) it was from the central powers, and they really were looking for a pre-emptive strike.

b) letter created by the allies to get the americans in the war, because so many of their soldiers were either sick, tired, dying, or dead.

both makes sense, but I don't know which one it could have been. If anybody has any insight, please post it up.

Also, sorry for going off on a long tangent of speech about WWI.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:31 pm


the_Crimson_Bolshevik
does anybody see the problem with how bad Nazism got was what the allies made Germany into? I was just thinking about it, and hitler's rise to power wouldn't be so large, if they hadn't caused germany to go into a downward tailspin to destruction. At that point, anybody with a plan would follow it.

Also, why didn't we punish Serbia. The're stupid terrorist started the entire great war. We punished germany, because they ended up having to do most of the fighting. And Austrian-Hungarian empire wasn't as affected as the Germans. I know that they were coming up with plans and stuff to hit America, but thats because in the war, we helped the allies, not the Central Powers.

1st rules of staying neutral, is

a) staying out of everything.

or

b) taking advantages of both sides and reaping the benefits.

since it was obvious what sides were are allies, it was obvious that sooner or later, we would be dragged in. And so the germans were brilliant in trying to instigate a pre-emptive strike. now theirs two theories to the whole letter to mexico deal.

a) it was from the central powers, and they really were looking for a pre-emptive strike.

b) letter created by the allies to get the americans in the war, because so many of their soldiers were either sick, tired, dying, or dead.

both makes sense, but I don't know which one it could have been. If anybody has any insight, please post it up.

Also, sorry for going off on a long tangent of speech about WWI.
WWI is the cause of WWII so I don't see it as off topic. 1923 France was occupied the rein region of Germany. I took this off from Mein Kampf intro that explians certain aspects of it.
Quote:
In the beginning of 1923 the French invaded Germany, occupied the Ruhr district and seized several
German towns in the Rhineland. This was a flagrant breach of international law and was protested
against by every section of British political opinion at that time. The Germans could not effectively
defend themselves, as they had been already disarmed under the provisions of the Versailles Treaty.
To make the situation more fraught with disaster for Germany, and therefore more appalling in its
prospect, the French carried on an intensive propaganda for the separation of the Rhineland from the
German Republic and the establishment of an independent Rhenania. Money was poured out lavishly
to bribe agitators to carry on this work, and some of the most insidious elements of the German
population became active in the pay of the invader. At the same time a vigorous movement was being
carried on in Bavaria for the secession of that country and the establishment of an independent
Catholic monarchy there, under vassalage to France, as Napoleon had done when he made Maximilian
the first King of Bavaria in 1805.
The separatist movement in the Rhineland went so far that some leading German politicians came out
in favour of it, suggesting that if the Rhineland were thus ceded it might be possible for the German
Republic to strike a bargain with the French in regard to Reparations. But in Bavaria the movement
went even farther. And it was more far-reaching in its implications; for, if an independent Catholic
monarchy could be set up in Bavaria, the next move would have been a union with Catholic
German-Austria. possibly under a Habsburg King. Thus a Catholic bloc would have been created
which would extend from the Rhineland through Bavaria and Austria into the Danube Valley and
would have been at least under the moral and military, if not the full political, hegemony of France.
The dream seems fantastic now, but it was considered quite a practical thing in those fantastic times.

The effect of putting such a plan into action would have meant the complete dismemberment of
Germany; and that is what French diplomacy aimed at. Of course such an aim no longer exists. And I
should not recall what must now seem old, unhappy, far-off things to the modern generation, were it
not that they were very near and actual at the time Mein Kampf was written and were more unhappy
then than we can even imagine now.
By the autumn of 1923 the separatist movement in Bavaria was on the point of becoming an
accomplished fact. General von Lossow, the Bavarian chief of the Reichswehr no longer took orders
from Berlin. The flag of the German Republic was rarely to be seen, Finally, the Bavarian Prime
Minister decided to proclaim an independent Bavaria and its secession from the German Republic.
This was to have taken place on the eve of the Fifth Anniversary of the establishment of the German
Republic (November 9th, 1918.)
Hitler staged a counter-stroke. For several days he had been mobilizing his storm battalions in the
neighbourhood of Munich, intending to make a national demonstration and hoping that the
Reichswehr would stand by him to prevent secession. Ludendorff was with him. And he thought that
the prestige of the great German Commander in the World War would be sufficient to win the
allegiance of the professional army.
A meeting had been announced to take place in the Bürgerbräu Keller on the night of November 8th.
The Bavarian patriotic societies were gathered there, and the Prime Minister, Dr. von Kahr, started to
read his official pronunciamento, which practically amounted to a proclamation of Bavarian
independence and secession from the Republic. While von Kahr was speaking Hitler entered the hall,
followed by Ludendorff. And the meeting was broken up.
Next day the Nazi battalions took the street for the purpose of making a mass demonstration in favour
of national union. They marched in massed formation, led by Hitler and Ludendorff. As they reached
one of the central squares of the city the army opened fire on them. Sixteen of the marchers were
instantly killed, and two died of their wounds in the local barracks of the Reichswehr. Several others
were wounded also. Hitler fell on the pavement and broke a collar-bone. Ludendorff marched straight
up to the soldiers who were firing from the barricade, but not a man dared draw a trigger on his old
Commander.
Hitler was arrested with several of his comrades and imprisoned in the fortress of Landsberg on the
River Lech. On February 26th, 1924, he was brought to trial before the Volksgericht, or Peoples
Court in Munich. He was sentenced to detention in a fortress for five years. With several companions,
who had been also sentenced to various periods of imprisonment, he returned to Landsberg am Lech
and remained there until the 20th of the following December, when he was released. In all he spent
about thirteen months in prison. It was during this period that he wrote the first volume of Mein
Kampf.
If we bear all this in mind we can account for the emotional stress under which Mein Kampf was
written. Hitler was naturally incensed against the Bavarian government authorities, against the
footling patriotic societies who were pawns in the French game, though often unconsciously so, and
of course against the French. That he should write harshly of the French was only natural in the
circumstances. At that time there was no exaggeration whatsoever in calling France the implacable
and mortal enemy of Germany. Such language was being used by even the pacifists themselves, not
only in Germany but abroad. And even though the second volume of Mein Kampf was written after
Hitlers release from prison and was published after the French had left the Ruhr, the tramp of the
invading armies still echoed in German ears, and the terrible ravages that had been wrought in the
industrial and financial life of Germany, as a consequence of the French invasion, had plunged the country into a state of social and economic chaos. In France itself the franc fell to fifty per cent of its
previous value. Indeed, the whole of Europe had been brought to the brink of ruin, following the
French invasion of the Ruhr and Rhineland.

UF6


the_Crimson_Bolshevik

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:37 pm


that answers some, but why was germany the one with the largest retributions (i believe france got the most in retributions)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:42 pm


Contra mundus
the_Crimson_Bolshevik
I'm wondering why it seems like many communists I meet hate that I'm in a nazi guild.
Because you're supporting Nationalism? I don't know I don't hate you. s**t I love Gyrowyrm and Mr. Fascist and they're the damn Captains. I asked them to invite me.
Just stopping by to say, WOO! wink

Contra mundus
the_Crimson_Bolshevik
Its not like the Nazi guild reverses the flame and flame me for being communist.
s**t they totally should. Bring that up in their guild.
Naw man, the GNG doesn't swing that way.


This is a message that goes out to anyone in NCS: If you are a member of the FGG and/or GNG and you are being harassed by a member, PLEASE inform me, and they will be warned/banned. If we're to move forward at all, we've got to have tolerance.

Mr. Fascist


the_Crimson_Bolshevik

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:58 pm


Mr. Fascist
Contra mundus
the_Crimson_Bolshevik
I'm wondering why it seems like many communists I meet hate that I'm in a nazi guild.
Because you're supporting Nationalism? I don't know I don't hate you. s**t I love Gyrowyrm and Mr. Fascist and they're the damn Captains. I asked them to invite me.
Just stopping by to say, WOO! wink

Contra mundus
the_Crimson_Bolshevik
Its not like the Nazi guild reverses the flame and flame me for being communist.
s**t they totally should. Bring that up in their guild.
Naw man, the GNG doesn't swing that way.


This is a message that goes out to anyone in NCS: If you are a member of the FGG and/or GNG and you are being harassed by a member, PLEASE inform me, and they will be warned/banned. If we're to move forward at all, we've got to have tolerance.
its not any of those member, but Its mostly people in the anarchist or punk guilds that flame the thing. I personally like people getting bent all out of shape because of something. I have slow weeks. I'm really glad that nobody acts like that from those guilds actually. I was expecting something totally diffrent, but when I saw hawkins was in, I ended up joining.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:14 am


the_Crimson_Bolshevik
that answers some, but why was germany the one with the largest retributions (i believe france got the most in retributions)
Simple really during the Fraco-Prussian War France lost the Rein region to Bismark in 1879, France was pissed all those years. Thats one reason that they did that to Germany. Hitler had some good reason not to like France and how it was treated after the war.It's interesting the protest he took part in, that his side never attack.

UF6


Steve Sage

PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:11 pm


Fascists are the only group of people I like less then you all.
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