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xslickxwillx

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:10 pm


did anyone hear of that one chic, sui-chan?

some emo from newjersey or someplace. was going to do ritual haru-kari on ytmnd! it made the news. was a big flop. but funny, still.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:42 am


xslickxwillx
did anyone hear of that one chic, sui-chan?

some emo from newjersey or someplace. was going to do ritual haru-kari on ytmnd! it made the news. was a big flop. but funny, still.


Yes, it makes me sad how stupid people can be. If you were going to kill yourself in most cases you wouldn't tell anyone. It's also annoying the person had no idea what Hara-Kiri actually means. scream

Erionix


Moleje
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:18 am


I love how people over twenty these days feel old.

I love that kids today look at twenty year olds and say ...you're old.

I can't wait to see how old we all feel after we've had a mid life crisis.

Imagine being over 50... being 100 and nearing death with every breath.

I think it must be popular to feel old when our youth is the real truth.

I also think its fun to say ...I feel old. It makes me smile.

*Everybody Dance Now!* de de duh de deh...... If your hip didn't go out you're probably not old!
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:09 pm


Yeah, it's kinda silly people twice my age are like "I'm not old, i'm young at heart!" Personally I think it'll be kinda fun when i get to crazy old man stage of my life, then I can just say whatever is on my mind, and get away with it. I can just say I have this dsiease that makes me unable to control what goes thru my head from coming out of my mouth.

For the record if I happen to be alive at over a hundred...I'm going to tak up sword fighting and become like a world champion or something..that or artic polar bear wrestling...or full contact shuffleboard.

Nostrodomos


Lorenzo Del Fuego
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:42 pm


At my age, death is just a meteor falling on my head. Death is a bullet through my head. Death could be another hit and. Death is a heart attack away. You don't get to know everything as I do by not being old. I'm old damnit. And I'm not getting any younger.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:04 pm


Erionix
xslickxwillx
did anyone hear of that one chic, sui-chan?

some emo from newjersey or someplace. was going to do ritual haru-kari on ytmnd! it made the news. was a big flop. but funny, still.


Yes, it makes me sad how stupid people can be. If you were going to kill yourself in most cases you wouldn't tell anyone. It's also annoying the person had no idea what Hara-Kiri actually means. scream
I had a bet going that she would just cut herself a few times and say some bad poetry. o.O i'm terrible.

xslickxwillx


Virix

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:29 pm


xslickxwillx
I had a bet going that she would just cut herself a few times and say some bad poetry. o.O i'm terrible.

Is it so bad to say what everyone else was thinking? Or maybe I'm terrible too, though that wouldn't be news to me. My sister says I make people "emo", and I have somehow gained a reputation at her school as Queen Satan. I must say, I'm rather pleased. twisted
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:55 pm


Whats a huru-kari? This is news to me.

AndreasDarilk


Erionix

PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:15 am


Virix
xslickxwillx
I had a bet going that she would just cut herself a few times and say some bad poetry. o.O i'm terrible.

Is it so bad to say what everyone else was thinking? Or maybe I'm terrible too, though that wouldn't be news to me. My sister says I make people "emo", and I have somehow gained a reputation at her school as Queen Satan. I must say, I'm rather pleased. twisted


Laughs* Well I praise your evil powers, but creating more "emo" kid's is a diffrerent evil all on it's own. xd What a scary thing you have going.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:17 am


AndreasDarilk
Whats a huru-kari? This is news to me.


A very basic short description:

Hara-kiri Ha"ra-ki`ri, n. [Jap., stomach cutting.] Suicide, by slashing the abdomen, formerly practiced in Japan, and commanded by the government in the cases of disgraced officials; disembowelment; -- also written, but incorrectly, {hari-kari}.

Erionix


Kagenoku

PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:29 pm


Erionix
AndreasDarilk
Whats a huru-kari? This is news to me.


A very basic short description:

Hara-kiri Ha"ra-ki`ri, n. [Jap., stomach cutting.] Suicide, by slashing the abdomen, formerly practiced in Japan, and commanded by the government in the cases of disgraced officials; disembowelment; -- also written, but incorrectly, {hari-kari}.

I have heard a different name for such a suicide, but it involves 5 cuts...
sepaku (I have not seen the spelling for it, I have heard it spoken though)
it begins by inserting your wakisashi into your lower right abdomen, then bringing it straight up to the center of the liver, then cutting diagonally down to the lower left abdomen, then straight up into the heart, many do not survive past this point, the next cut is from the heart to the lower right abdomen, finally from there to the lower left abdomen.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:53 pm


Its amazing how this post just keeps evolving.

Hara Kiri and Seppuku are the same characters in Japanese, but they have two different ways to pronounce them at least I think that's what a pal of mine said when I asked him ounce some time ago.

I think the Seppuku is the most traditional way of saying it???

As for the how I think there was also a second person or samurai who whould be there to behead the shamed samurai or official or lady or whomever. If the person was weak of body strength, this being the case of women in these rituals were often allowed to kneel and then lean into the blade, bracing the hilt on the ground if they did not have the strength required to cut themselves.

Everybody watch The Hakkenden Legend of the Eight Dog Warriors its a sweet anime!

I'm also going to bring up the Cadburry bunnies they don't show them here on TV durring Easter and I missed them. *sniffles* *buck,buck*

Moleje
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Erionix

PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:39 pm


Yes this topic has evolved strangely, but I feel I must add to this most recent topic again. Here is some more info taken from Wikipedia. <(o_O)>

Here is the actual link: Wikipedia: Seppuku


Seppuku

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Seppuku (Japanese: 切腹, "stomach-cutting" or "belly slicing") is a form of Japanese ritual suicide by disembowelment. Seppuku is also known in English as hara-kiri (腹切り) and is written with the same kanji as seppuku but in reverse order with an okurigana. In Japanese, 'hara-kiri' is not in common usage, the term being regarded as gross and vulgar. The practice of committing seppuku at the death of one's master is known as oibara (追腹 or 追い腹) or junshi (殉死); the ritual is similar.

Overview

Seppuku was a key part of bushido, the code of the samurai warriors; it was used by warriors to avoid falling into enemy hands, and to attenuate shame. Samurai could also be ordered by their daimyo (feudal lords) to commit seppuku. Later disgraced warriors were sometimes allowed to commit seppuku rather than be executed in the normal manner. Since the main point of the act was to restore or protect one's honor as a warrior, those who did not belong to the samurai caste were never ordered or expected to commit seppuku. Samurai women could only commit the act with permission.

In his book The Samurai Way of Death, Samurai: The World of the Warrior (ch.4), Dr. Stephen Turnbull states:

Seppuku was commonly performed using a tantō. It could take place with preparation and ritual in the privacy of one's home, or speedily in a quiet corner of a battlefield while one’s comrades kept the enemy at bay.

In the world of the warrior, seppuku was a deed of bravery that was admirable in a samurai who knew he was defeated, disgraced, or mortally wounded. It meant that he could end his days with his transgressions wiped away and with his reputation not merely intact but actually enhanced. The cutting of the abdomen released the samurai’s spirit in the most dramatic fashion, but it was an extremely painful and unpleasant way to die, and sometimes the samurai who was performing the act asked a loyal comrade to cut off his head at the moment of agony.

Sometimes a daimyo was called upon to perform seppuku as the basis of a peace agreement. This would weaken the defeated clan so that resistance would effectively cease. Toyotomi Hideyoshi used an enemy's suicide in this way on several occasions, the most dramatic of which effectively ended a dynasty of daimyo forever, when the Hōjō were defeated at Odawara in 1590. Hideyoshi insisted on the suicide of the retired daimyo Hōjō Ujimasa, and the exile of his son Ujinao. With one sweep of a sword, the most powerful daimyo family in eastern Japan was put to an end.

Ritual

Women have their own ritual suicide, jigai. Here, the wife of Onodera Junai, one of the Forty-seven Ronin, prepares for her suicide; note the legs tied together, a female feature of seppuku to ensure a "decent" posture in death.
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In time, committing seppuku came to involve a detailed ritual. A Samurai was bathed, dressed in white robes, fed his favorite meal, and when he was finished, his instrument was placed on his plate. Dressed ceremonially, with his sword placed in front of him and sometimes seated on special cloths, the warrior would prepare for death by writing a death poem. With his selected attendant (kaishakunin, his second) standing by, he would open his kimono (clothing), take up his wakizashi (short sword) or a tantō (knife) and plunge it into his abdomen, making a left-to-right cut. The kaishakunin would then perform daki-kubi, a cut in which the warrior was all but decapitated (a slight band of flesh is left attaching the head to the body). Because of the precision necessary for such a maneuver, the second was often a skilled swordsman. The principal agreed in advance when the kaishaku made his cut, usually as soon as the dagger was plunged into the abdomen.

This elaborate ritual evolved after seppuku had ceased being mainly a battlefield or wartime practice and become a para judicial institution.

The second was usually, but not always, a friend. If a defeated warrior had fought honorably and well, an opponent who wanted to salute his bravery would volunteer to act as his second.

In the Hagakure, Yamamoto Tsunetomo wrote:

From ages past it has been considered ill-omened by samurai to be requested as kaishaku. The reason for this is that one gains no fame even if the job is well done. And if by chance one should blunder, it becomes a lifetime disgrace.

In the practice of past times, there were instances when the head flew off. It was said that it was best to cut leaving a little skin remaining so that it did not fly off in the direction of the verifying officials. However, at present it is best to cut clean through.

Some samurai chose to perform a considerably more taxing form of seppuku known as jūmonji-giri (十文字切り, lit. "cross-shaped cut"), in which there is no kaishakunin to put a quick end to the samurai's suffering. It involves a second and more painful vertical cut across the belly. A samurai performing jumonji-giri was expected to bear his suffering quietly until perishing from loss of blood, passing away with his hands over his face.

Seppuku as capital punishment


While the voluntary seppuku described above is the best known form and has been widely admired and idealized, in practice the most common form of seppuku was obligatory seppuku, used as a form of capital punishment for disgraced samurai, especially for those who committed a serious offense such as unprovoked murder, robbery, corruption, or treason. The samurai were generally told of their offense in full and given a set time to commit seppuku, usually before sunset on a given day. If the sentenced was uncooperative, it was not unheard of for them to be restrained, or for the actual execution to be carried out by decapitation while retaining only the trappings of seppuku; even the short sword laid out in front of the victim could be replaced with a fan. Unlike voluntary seppuku, seppuku carried out as capital punishment did not necessarily absolve the victim's family of the crime. Depending on the severity of the crime, half or all of the deceased's property could be confiscated, and the family stripped of rank.

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A tantō prepared for seppuku
PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:50 am


Thank you for endarkening my misunderstanding.

Kagenoku


Erionix

PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:38 pm


Kagenoku
Thank you for endarkening my misunderstanding.


Heh* Seppuku is a fun topic. Well if you are not planing on preforming it.
Well I guess that might be fun for some people. <(o_O)>
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