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 Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:08 pm
I wonder if Zuko's mom wasn't exiled after killing Azulon, but was instead sentenced to death....
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:47 pm
 
I'm guessing that she ran off or something like that.
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:16 pm
Syrene Rausten I thought it seemed kind of obvious she killed Azulon. She left the morning after he was discovered dead, and with the whole "that's what mothers do to protect their young" with Zuko and the turtle ducks. Why couldn't she have killed Azulon? We don't know anything about her character at all other than she's fiercly loyal to Zuko which would explain her actions perfectly. I don't think being killed in Zuko's place really works since Azulon specifically said the pain of losing the first born son, not a wife, and besides it doesn't explain who killed Azulon. She MADE him kill her, and if she IS Zuko's mom, personality has to be simaler[sp?] right? Well, I get the feeling that Zuko could never kill Azula, he simply doesn't have the mental capacity to be evil. They are siblings, and if he has any honor he wouldn't kill her. So, Ursa would not kill, I don't think that an Agni kai between the firelord and his son's WIFE would be allowed anyway...[refering to an earlier post.] And as for losing a first born son, the pain could be equal.
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:47 pm
LORD_BIG_DOGGIE She MADE him kill her, and if she IS Zuko's mom, personality has to be simaler[sp?] right? Well, I get the feeling that Zuko could never kill Azula, he simply doesn't have the mental capacity to be evil. They are siblings, and if he has any honor he wouldn't kill her. So, Ursa would not kill, I don't think that an Agni kai between the firelord and his son's WIFE would be allowed anyway...[refering to an earlier post.] And as for losing a first born son, the pain could be equal. It still doesn't sit right with me. Just because she's Zuko's mom doesn't mean they have similar personalities; I think you underestimate the ferociousness of a mother protecting her child. Honor and protecting a child are completely different; just because Zuko wouldn't do something means squat when it comes to his parents, just look at Lord Ozai. Ursa tells Zuko something along the lines of "Everything I did, I did for you." It sounded like to me she was telling Zuko she did something horrible but she did it out of necessity for his safety. I know this is a kid's cartoon, but most Asian cultures, especially royalty/nobility don't marry out of love, they marry into advantageous families. So they could not have even been in love or had any feelings for each other. If she died it wouldn't matter Ozai could always remarry but a first born son is much harder to get back.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:23 am
Mabe what happened was, Azulon (firelord) viewed Ursa as a weakness, she was too nice and her goodness may have interfered with his own plans so, in order to remove her he promised his son the throne after his death in exchange for his wife's exile. Then when she was exiled, Ozai killed his father, since he was promised throne anyway. that's just a random theory I sort of doubt. The other is that Ozai killed his father and TOLD EVERYONE that his dying wish was for him to become his successor, and Iroh went along with him out of grief, then his mother, unable to remain with her husband after such an act, left, knowing that her presence would only provoke her husband into treating Zuko even worse
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:35 pm
Well after seeing the last episode with Zuko being with the illness and his mom saying "Zuko! Help me!" I think she was killed while trying to escape or something.
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:33 pm
lola_siannodel I wonder if Zuko's mom wasn't exiled after killing Azulon, but was instead sentenced to death.... It would have been public if there was a sentence passed. If anyone besides Ursa and Ozai knew that she killed Azulon, the whole Fire Nation would have been in an uproar. Not to say Azula wouldn't know, but she isn't the type of person to blab about it when her father would become Fire Lord because of it. wittyfantom12 Mabe what happened was, Azulon (firelord) viewed Ursa as a weakness, she was too nice and her goodness may have interfered with his own plans so, in order to remove her he promised his son the throne after his death in exchange for his wife's exile. Ursa was NOT that good. She was rooting for her Nation to invade Ba Sing Se. I don't think Azulon saw her as anything more than his son's wife. wittyfantom12 his dying wish was for him to become his successor, and Iroh went along with him out of grief, We have no proof to say that Ozai wasn't the one to say "He wanted me to be Fire Lord". He could have just told whomever that. And I don't think Iroh really had a vested intrest in being Fire Lord anyway. Especially not after his sons death. mischeivious_lil_kitsune Well after seeing the last episode with Zuko being with the illness and his mom saying "Zuko! Help me!" I think she was killed while trying to escape or something. I think the dream was more symbolic (in regards to Ursa) to mean that he didn't know what happened to her and he still believes there was something he could have done to save her from whatever fate he believes she met. (first post in guild, woot)
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:50 pm
okay, fact is we DON'T know what happened Zuko's mom. we can only speculate until it is revealed in the show. which i'm sure will happen in the 3rd season....cus you know season 2 is ending and all.
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:02 pm
Ursa could not possibly kill the great Fire Lord Azulon, for he is truly magnificent in his wondrous power! (Former) Fire Lord Azulon demands you withdraw your blasphemous comments...
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:32 am
ok I think Ozai exiled her and ursa is azulons wife not ozai and azulon was probably killed by ozai and with Iro gone he was taken in as fire lord
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:03 pm
Vincent Valentine131 ok I think Ozai exiled her and ursa is azulons wife not ozai and azulon was probably killed by ozai and with Iro gone he was taken in as fire lord Uh... Ursa is Ozai's wife. Azula and Zuko are their children. Azulon is Zuko's grandfather.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:35 pm
Lilacwolf mischeivious_lil_kitsune Well after seeing the last episode with Zuko being with the illness and his mom saying "Zuko! Help me!" I think she was killed while trying to escape or something. I think the dream was more symbolic (in regards to Ursa) to mean that he didn't know what happened to her and he still believes there was something he could have done to save her from whatever fate he believes she met. (first post in guild, woot)
Well when you put it that way, yea. But I guess we're going to have to wait and see what'll happen.
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:35 pm
Lilacwolf Vincent Valentine131 ok I think Ozai exiled her and ursa is azulons wife not ozai and azulon was probably killed by ozai and with Iro gone he was taken in as fire lord Uh... Ursa is Ozai's wife. Azula and Zuko are their children. Azulon is Zuko's grandfather. no they never told ozais wifes name in azulons funeral they said and "husband of Ursa now passed"
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:03 pm
Uh... no they didn't... Ursa is Ozai's wife, Ilah or someone is Azulon's...
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:55 pm
Vincent Valentine131 Lilacwolf Vincent Valentine131 ok I think Ozai exiled her and ursa is azulons wife not ozai and azulon was probably killed by ozai and with Iro gone he was taken in as fire lord Uh... Ursa is Ozai's wife. Azula and Zuko are their children. Azulon is Zuko's grandfather. no they never told ozais wifes name in azulons funeral they said and "husband of Ursa now passed" You need to watch that episode again. stare
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