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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:11 pm
So when you use class it's not vague? I don't see why it's any different for you, you have yet to prove your theory better as then everyone is a shaman in bleach. And the class of Arrancar and Vaizard, they may not be them in the way Ichigo is an Arrancar or Illfort was a Arrancar, but they still are in that same class of "Vaizard/Arrancar"
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 9:47 pm
None of the above. Also you further proved that almost all the characters in bleach are shaman in your opinion. and Vaizard are not a group of people. They are like hollow shinigami and Arrancar, they are simply Vaizard, Vaizard is not the name of an organization. I have already said they are in the same class because their powers are like that of a Vaizards. Orihime's shields are much like the barrier the Vaizard made(meaning that is her trait of the Vaizard and making her in the class of Vaizard.) Chad's arm is like the Arrancar's body when they use their Shikai putting him in the class of Arrancar.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 3:06 pm
"Also you further proved that ALMOST all the characters in bleach are shaman in your opinion". This means Ichigo's father is, Ichigo is as are most every character who plays an important role or knows Ichigo. All you have done so far is bashed my theory and put "proof" even more vauge than mine. The fact they are not in a mortal body means nothing, Orihime has the traits of a Vaizard in his Shield(s) and Chad has the traits of a Arrancar in his arm.
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:45 pm
You are repeating the same thing over and over. But please if they are shaman tell me what kind of Shaman they are, I'm annoyed that you simply say they are Shaman. Are they a Necromancer? Nope. Apache? No not that either. Mediums? I think not. Have they communicated with spirits that have already been sent to Soul Society as "channelers" do, no not that either. Don't try the Shaman theory on me, I can tell you now that I practice shamanism as well as wicca as do many other members of my family and close family friends. I know about many kinds of Shamanism, as so far, I know of none that are anything like Orihime and Chad. Orihime and Chad without their powers would be like Tatsuki and Karin, they arn't shaman as they arn't healers, mediums or necromancers. They simply see spirits meaning they are closer to the spirit world than most others.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 6:11 am
Yes you were repeating that over and over, you would simply say they are shaman and then you said I couldn't just say "category" as it was vague, you say one thing and do another, so this debate is getting no where if you simply do what I'm not "allowed" to.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 12:45 pm
You're both wrong.
1) Chad and Orihime may exhibit Arrancar or Vizard-like powers at one point or another, but they're definitely not Arrancar or Vizards. Arrancar are hollows who have gained shinigami powers, while Vizards are shinigami who have gained hollow powers. With Freud in mind, Arrancar are beings of id who have gained a superego, while Vizards are beings of superego who have gained an id. Chad and Orihime are humans, ego-beings, who have both a bit of hollow and shinigami, or id and superego. At least I think so, anyhow.
Arrancar = hollow + shinigami Vizard = shinigami + hollow Chad and Orihime = human + shinigami + hollow
Not the same.
2) I looked up shaman in lots of dictionaries, and all of them do talk about being able to communicate with spirits. With only this in mind, both Chad and Orihime fit the definition. However, that alone isn't enough. There are plenty of mythologies, stories, etc., of people who see ghosts, but they certainly aren't shamans. Being a shaman means not only tapping into the spirit realm, but also making use of it to see the future, generate miracles, and cure people. While Orihime can heal people, she does it with her own power, and not the power of conjured-up spirits.
If being able to see spirits was the only requirement for being a shaman, then mostly everyone in every mythology is a shaman, as well as everyone in the Ghostbusters movies, and a bunch of other people as well. Being a shaman means not only interacting with spirits, but being able to use the spirits you interact with to cure people, perform miracles, tell the future, etc. Seeing as how Chad and Orihime can interact with spirits, but not control them to do supernatural things, I think they fall a bit short.
Can we all just stop the silly bickering now?
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:47 pm
And that's why Panda is here....
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 9:06 am
Fair enough but I wasn't saying they were direct Vaizards/arrancar either that's why I continued to use class and traits. I just knew they couldn't be shaman as I practice Apache Shamanism XD.
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