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I started this thread because I suffer from two mental illnesses, after a long time and a great deal of thought I`ve decided that in my case, self-deliverence is the corect path.

Here's some of my thoughts:

Pro - Suicide can be thought of for humans as a type of limiting factor for a species at the top of all food chains. As such, we must therefore act as our own limiting factor. Mental ailments are one type of limiting factors we have for ourselves. Violent personalities is another. War for instance is a very efficient way to cleanse a place of excess populations. Likewise suicide aids society in ridding itself of mental ailments and general negative energy. However, as you will read below, I believe the detriments of such an energy exchange are more than the benefits.

Con - Suicide is obviously detrimental to the individual in that it is denying oneself the ability to recover and survive. It is a defeatest road and reflects a cultural concept of futility that does not match the human species' natural ability to survive (as a race) in any and all situations we have come across.

Furthermore, it is a detriment to society, because this person is greatly needed, who can easily, in a matter of years, again become a wonderfully functioning individual and even a driving force in a culture or society. Lincoln suffered from chronic depression, but could you imagine if he had taken himself out in 1861? It was bad enough that he carelessly walked around with a death wish during the civil war, narrowly surviving dozens of assassination attempts in those few years (only to finally get it just after the end of the war).

Finally, and to me the most important thing that kept me here (aside from a spiritual experience), is the adventure of human life. It is a unique adventure that absolutely SHOULD NOT be missed out on. Even if you view death as another type of adventure that could possibly be better than life (as it is for you at this very moment), you have to realize that you have two choices: death now and what waits afterwards (if anything), OR death later and what waits afterwards (if anything) PLUS how many other years of life in front of you, which will invariably be dominated by good times and bad times EQUALLY. The fact is that there is no trade-off. You can NEVER really know what you'd miss out on, what great things there could be in your future, should you choose to persevere, if you just go and end it now.

As a creative and explorative type of personality, I think it's a tragedy for people like me to think that they somehow gain something through suicide. Instead they lose the adventure of life. In life you get a chance to see what's ahead. You get to experience the future. How cool is that?! In death time stands still, may not exist at all, or all time points may be connected. But in life, there is the unique existence where the future is always in front of you, and the past always behind you. In life, you have the creative force of the Divine at your fingertips, to leave behind the past and make a new future. How freaking sweet!! xd

So, you're just going to give-up? Man, that is the epitomy of society- too lazy or too "woe is me!" to get up and look around at what you can do.

Hmmm, maybe you could, I dunno, be a Big Brother to a child, or work in a soup kitchen. That's contributing, I think, and gives you something to do with your life. Or would that be too much a strain on you? Oh, the doctors and the pills didn't make you feel better, so it's time to throw your hands up in the air and OD, isn't it? So typical. Guess what? Doctors and pills only go so far- it's up to you to follow through with a, at least, neutral perspective on life. If not, yeah, everything is going to suck balls.

I hope you get pissed off at me- it'll show you still have feelings and care about yourself.

You're contributing something just by saying that.

You should look at charities or volunteering or something. The Peace Corps. could probably use you. I have never met anyone who came out of the Peace Corps. unchanged without a fresh outlook on life. Some of them go on to do amazing things and continue the work that they started.

Anything like that that contirbutes to society would be better then committing suicide. Travel the world. Uproot yourself and take a look at what you've got.

Well, iti can be nobel, but it can be bad. Thats all.

And yet you're openly proclaiming it to us?

If you can talk about it to us, what does that say? Is this a matter of pride to you? Suicide is not something to be proud of. If you're going to do it, none of us can really stop you. If you'd like to talk to someone, I'm sure plenty of people would be willing to listen. If you don't want to talk to a friend, a crisis line will do. But don't be proud of your decision. I'm not saying it's a "bad" decision (I don't know the details), but it is not a noble or otherwise "good" decision.

Quite frankly, I think you're being selfish in saying that you don't contribute to the world. Don't you have a family? Friends? Considering yourself alone in the world is so very selfish. Suicide is selfish as hell. Being selfish is human nature. But think of others before you decide to kill yourself.

which is a damn shame as schizophrenics should be euthanised.