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 Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:09 pm
LadyVIolence Psyy Hoho, I think that they want people to be at an emotional balance... But it truly is bad to supress your emotions in that manner... >.>
But it seems they want a balance of happiness, charity and love. They seem to want to block out everything else.Yep... As i said, it is truly bad to supress ones emotions in that manner.
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:01 pm
The entire bible pisses me off. No offence to any religious people, but the bible is complete b.s.! I'm just not the type to believe that I was created from some guy's rib.
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:15 pm
Reye-chan The entire bible pisses me off. No offence to any religious people, but the bible is complete b.s.! I'm just not the type to believe that I was created from some guy's rib.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:21 am
usagi665 Reye-chan The entire bible pisses me off. No offence to any religious people, but the bible is complete b.s.! I'm just not the type to believe that I was created from some guy's rib.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:24 am
not all christianity says that these are so bad.
its mostly Roman Catholicism that says that, I believe.
some things such as gluttony and avarice, while not actually encouraged, are winked at by calvinism which promotes capitalistic entrepreneurship and ambition.
some of these meanings have changed over time. while we might not condemn those with a hearty appetite (gluttony) today, it used to mean more something like stuffing yourself while others went hungry, a very basic selfishness, and many would agree that is still a social problem.
as for sloth, i was interested to hear a lecturer at Chautauqua NY say that it did not mean laziness at all, but more like giving up, a spirit of heaviness, and that in greek it was originally called "acedia". of course there was no english language yet when these sins were identified.
he said that monks in hte desert chose a hard demanding life, with no sex, wine, red meat or any other comforts of life. Acedia happened when they began to feel burdened and weighed bown by this life, and were ready to give up.
he also said that these were not actually "sins" per se, but more like warning signs, things to look for that might lead to trouble. it's like saying that maybe being overweight isnt so much a sin it itself, but it can lead to heart disease so you should be aware of it as a danger sign.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:12 am
LadyVIolence Though, in any sense, they're saying men are superior. If that was the case then why do females give birth? And when your gender is deceided in the womb, you have XY or XX, X being female, and you need that one to live. You can't have YY or you'd be dead. So where did this male superiority thing come from? chessiejo he also said that these were not actually "sins" per se, but more like warning signs, things to look for that might lead to trouble. it's like saying that maybe being overweight isnt so much a sin it itself, but it can lead to heart disease so you should be aware of it as a danger sign.
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:14 pm
Pride
Greed
Envy
Anger
Lust
Gluttony
Sloth
i think not sins at all because they are all a natural part of a human i don't know anyone that didn't have any of these that are alive today.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:34 pm
gayzilla I agree completely, I think the sex rules where a way to control people, either that or the person in charge was cheated on and became very bitter. The thing that gets me the most though, is how many of those are the Christian God guilty of. Certainly Pride and Anger at the least. damn hypo-chrystians. It is my understanding that the Virgin Marry was *Created* basicly because they didn't want anyone to be a "Father of God". He proabably did have one, but he was just left out. I can't remember where I read this but the sex rules were probably there as part of a Conceristic aspect adopted by the catholics when rome wanted an excuse to rally the people to take the holly land. Its an old celtic tactic, I believe, where they sex and masturbate deprive men to make them angry and better worriors. There are many old pitchurs/paintings/etc. of worriors raping their foes. So the Christians first intailed that they must have a wife and not cheat on them or masterbate, then they took them away from their wives and recreated the same conditions.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:37 pm
LadyVIolence It seems Christians strive to disassociate themselves with being human. They seem to want to be some pure, divine beings... It is probably because they instaled this, "your are bad and everything you want to do is bad" to get people to think less of them-self, but also at the same time give them the option of repenting, what they did, and what they make them feel bad for doing.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:12 pm
the sins were defined by whom?
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:58 pm
LadyVIolence What i'm curious about is why does Christianity say these are the tickets to hell, when those 7 words seem to be the 7 most basic of human emotions? People can't help feeling lazy (sloth) jealous (envy) horny (lust) or wanting everything they see in a shop (greed) even feeling good and boasting about certain acheivements (pride) or over eating (gluttony) And let's not forget those things that just piss you off..(anger). Wanting to eat ice cream is differnt from sitting on your a** all evening and eating four tubs of rocky road. Getting angry when someone insults you is differnt from beating the s**t out of them. Etc. Christianity doesn't expect people to not be human. It expects them to follow a certain morality and control their impulses. Quote: It makes me wonder, what is a Christian's opinion of someone who is pure at heart? Is it an emotionless zombie? Someone who has perfect control over themselves and is only EVER happy or sad? Let's see. Was Jesus an emotionless zombie? Was he ever happy? Gee. That's such a hard question. Quote: Also what's the deal with this Virgin Mary? They say an angel came down from heaven and declared her pregnant so she was. I mean come on people. She had a ******** baby. Why do they continue to refuse that their idol had sex?! It wouldn't have anything to do with believing that Jesus was the son of god, and not the son of Joseph, or anything, would it? OMG, they believe it was a miracle. Quote: Why is sex so bad? Do they not know that they would not exist if it weren't for sex? I agree that a lot of people get carried away and abuse sex, but so what? We have laws to punish people for that. Why make it an overall law ruling out sex completely? ...What the <********> are you talking about? Every single Christian denomination on the face of the planet with the exception of the last four Shakers believes heartily in sex. They just believe it should be within the bounds of marriage. Puritans? Great fans of sex. They thought sex was one of god's great gifts to humans. They just required marriage first. Quote: It seems Christians strive to disassociate themselves with being human. They seem to want to be some pure, divine beings... No, but they would like to be like their gods, given that they consider them to be perfect. Quote: It just pisses me off. They constantly try and deny raw human-ness. Would it piss you off less if I advocated punching people in the face and stealing their s**t? After all, that would be expressing my raw human emotions.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:01 pm
LadyVIolence usagi665 Reye-chan The entire bible pisses me off. No offence to any religious people, but the bible is complete b.s.! I'm just not the type to believe that I was created from some guy's rib. Because giving birth is a punishment.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:09 pm
Merlcessity Well...you have to admit, it's a pretty damn good excuse. "You're pregnant, and you're not married!" "No, no, it's okay! An angel did it, I'm still a virgin!" "Well...that's too crazy for us not to believe it!" That or, more likely, when folks were running around creating the Christian mythology based off of Jesus's teachings, and the question of his mother came up, they claimed that she was of course a virgin, because only such a miracle would be worthy of god's son. Not to mention that the idea of god coming down and mating with human females was particularly common in the Greco-Roman religion which Christians were seeking to replace. Quote: Jesus was about 30 when he died, yes? So...wouldn't Mary have been stoned to death or had some equally terrible way of being killed? I mean...the people who put Jesus on the cross would have been around when Mary was pregnant, and they would have wanted to punish her for having a baby out of wedlock. A. She was married to Joseph when she had Jesus, so not out of wedlock. B. Jesus was executed by the Romans. Why in ******** would the Romans go mucking about in Nazereth (or Bethlehem) looking for women who got pregnant out of marriage and giving them traditional Jewish punishments for offenses against Jewish law? Laws they didn't believe in or particularly like? Quote: Oh! Another thing! Why was it ok for MARY to have a baby out of wedlock, but not for anyone else...the woman who basically started Christianity is allowed to, but we're not....the whole Christianity thing...full of damned hypocrites! Well, there's that little detail where she was married when she had Jesus, so it wasn't out of wedlock. The point is that you're not supposed to have sex out of marriage and then bring kids into the world which you can't adequately raise because there's only one of you and kids need A. both male and female role models and B. require lots and lots of money, which is just harder to get if there's only one of you. Mary didn't have sex out of marriage and did have a husband. So there's no hypocracy.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:11 pm
LadyVIolence gayzilla I agree completely, I think the sex rules where a way to control people, either that or the person in charge was cheated on and became very bitter. The thing that gets me the most though, is how many of those are the Christian God guilty of. Certainly Pride and Anger at the least. damn hypo-chrystians.
Also with that Pride would go Jealousy and Gluttony. Perhaps even Sloth.He gets jealous if anyone worhships a certain idol other than him, yet he doesn't want to be idolised. I guess he hates Catholics as they have Mary as an idol, yeah? Also Sloth, he must be lazy or simply not quite fast enough to keep up with the chaos in the world. It must be like playing the Sims with a billion characters. You'd lose control of most of them. And Gluttony, he wants everyone for himself and if you don't want to follow him then "Well, screw you human, you can go to hell!" ...Mary's not an idol.
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