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 Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:22 am
God Emperor Akhenaton baka_boy1221 So how would a TKD fighter adapt their style to MMA ... For one, it's practical in real life. Secondly, it teaches about everything. Not answering the question ... how would a TKD fighter adapt their style to MMA ...
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:30 am
God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma Well there is grappling and then there is GRAPPLING ... what I meant was like a very high level, top of the food chain typ of deal against TKD... Someone can't win a grappling fight against a grappler. But at the same time, a grappler can't win a fist fight against a blackbelt in the ITF. I'm not asking who would win ... a striker going to a pure grappling setting will no doubt lose ... what I am asking is how would a high level TKD black belt counteract a high level grappler ... like if taken down how the TKD fighter get back to his feet and stay there ... Yes he would. Your flaw is that you think grappling is the golden ticket to winning a fight. The motto of TKD is to deliver a knockout or even killing blow to an enemy in the first hit and if that didn't work, then their opponent is faced with 100+ combination attacks. Again not what I'm asking ... Grapplers have a clear cut disadvantage when it comes to striking ... that's a given ... what I asked is how a TKD fighter would counter-act ... a grappler ... For example: You (the TKD fighter) have been taken down and the grappler is in side control ... you have one arm pinned by their legs ... the other arm is held by the grappler's hand ... and the grappler's free hand is raining down blows ... how do you get out of that position ... and then from there get back into a neutral position (like full guard) or to your feet (where you have the clear cut advantage in striking) ... If I am being pinned by one of their legs, then that means that my legs have leverage. I would rotate the hips as best as I can, get the leg closest to his knee free and scissor my legs into breaking his knee. He can punch me all he wants and the idea that he would get me in that position is absurd. If one attempts to do it, all I would have to do is push the arms out of the way and uppercut the jaw with force. I know that position ... it is a modified crucifix ... known in MMA as the Salavarry ... it is hard to get out of unless you break their base ... but against a high level wrestler who basically has been training most of their careers on the whole idea of controlling their opponent with their weight ... it is a hard position to break ... it is not easy ... I should know ... I got put in that position before ... I only think that I wasn't finish then and there because the bell saved me ...
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:33 am
baka_boy1221 God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma I'm not asking who would win ... a striker going to a pure grappling setting will no doubt lose ... what I am asking is how would a high level TKD black belt counteract a high level grappler ... like if taken down how the TKD fighter get back to his feet and stay there ... Yes he would. Your flaw is that you think grappling is the golden ticket to winning a fight. The motto of TKD is to deliver a knockout or even killing blow to an enemy in the first hit and if that didn't work, then their opponent is faced with 100+ combination attacks. Again not what I'm asking ... Grapplers have a clear cut disadvantage when it comes to striking ... that's a given ... what I asked is how a TKD fighter would counter-act ... a grappler ... For example: You (the TKD fighter) have been taken down and the grappler is in side control ... you have one arm pinned by their legs ... the other arm is held by the grappler's hand ... and the grappler's free hand is raining down blows ... how do you get out of that position ... and then from there get back into a neutral position (like full guard) or to your feet (where you have the clear cut advantage in striking) ... If I am being pinned by one of their legs, then that means that my legs have leverage. I would rotate the hips as best as I can, get the leg closest to his knee free and scissor my legs into breaking his knee. He can punch me all he wants and the idea that he would get me in that position is absurd. If one attempts to do it, all I would have to do is push the arms out of the way and uppercut the jaw with force. I know that position ... it is a modified crucifix ... known in MMA as the Salavarry ... it is hard to get out of unless you break their base ... but against a high level wrestler who basically has been training most of their careers on the whole idea of controlling their opponent with their weight ... it is a hard position to break ... it is not easy ... I should know ... I got put in that position before ... I only think that I wasn't finish then and there because the bell saved me ... In martial arts, people develop a bias for the sport they chose and for good reasons, but to say that grappling is the best comes from a bias.
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:38 am
God Emperor Akhenaton baka_boy1221 God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma I'm not asking who would win ... a striker going to a pure grappling setting will no doubt lose ... what I am asking is how would a high level TKD black belt counteract a high level grappler ... like if taken down how the TKD fighter get back to his feet and stay there ... Yes he would. Your flaw is that you think grappling is the golden ticket to winning a fight. The motto of TKD is to deliver a knockout or even killing blow to an enemy in the first hit and if that didn't work, then their opponent is faced with 100+ combination attacks. Again not what I'm asking ... Grapplers have a clear cut disadvantage when it comes to striking ... that's a given ... what I asked is how a TKD fighter would counter-act ... a grappler ... For example: You (the TKD fighter) have been taken down and the grappler is in side control ... you have one arm pinned by their legs ... the other arm is held by the grappler's hand ... and the grappler's free hand is raining down blows ... how do you get out of that position ... and then from there get back into a neutral position (like full guard) or to your feet (where you have the clear cut advantage in striking) ... If I am being pinned by one of their legs, then that means that my legs have leverage. I would rotate the hips as best as I can, get the leg closest to his knee free and scissor my legs into breaking his knee. He can punch me all he wants and the idea that he would get me in that position is absurd. If one attempts to do it, all I would have to do is push the arms out of the way and uppercut the jaw with force. I know that position ... it is a modified crucifix ... known in MMA as the Salavarry ... it is hard to get out of unless you break their base ... but against a high level wrestler who basically has been training most of their careers on the whole idea of controlling their opponent with their weight ... it is a hard position to break ... it is not easy ... I should know ... I got put in that position before ... I only think that I wasn't finish then and there because the bell saved me ... In martial arts, people develop a bias for the sport they chose and for good reasons, but to say that grappling is the best comes from a bias. No one has said that ... I was just giving an example ... and background in the position ... nowhere in my post or in any other post included in this thread say "Grappling is the best." ... we are simply asking questions ... because I am sure that any up and coming martial artist ... who is training in TKD or any striking focus martial art ... would like to know of ways to get out of certain positions if taken to the ground ...
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:40 am
baka_boy1221 God Emperor Akhenaton baka_boy1221 God Emperor Akhenaton ladymma Again not what I'm asking ... Grapplers have a clear cut disadvantage when it comes to striking ... that's a given ... what I asked is how a TKD fighter would counter-act ... a grappler ... For example: You (the TKD fighter) have been taken down and the grappler is in side control ... you have one arm pinned by their legs ... the other arm is held by the grappler's hand ... and the grappler's free hand is raining down blows ... how do you get out of that position ... and then from there get back into a neutral position (like full guard) or to your feet (where you have the clear cut advantage in striking) ... If I am being pinned by one of their legs, then that means that my legs have leverage. I would rotate the hips as best as I can, get the leg closest to his knee free and scissor my legs into breaking his knee. He can punch me all he wants and the idea that he would get me in that position is absurd. If one attempts to do it, all I would have to do is push the arms out of the way and uppercut the jaw with force. I know that position ... it is a modified crucifix ... known in MMA as the Salavarry ... it is hard to get out of unless you break their base ... but against a high level wrestler who basically has been training most of their careers on the whole idea of controlling their opponent with their weight ... it is a hard position to break ... it is not easy ... I should know ... I got put in that position before ... I only think that I wasn't finish then and there because the bell saved me ... In martial arts, people develop a bias for the sport they chose and for good reasons, but to say that grappling is the best comes from a bias. No one has said that ... I was just giving an example ... and background in the position ... nowhere in my post or in any other post included in this thread say "Grappling is the best." ... we are simply asking questions ... because I am sure that any up and coming martial artist ... who is training in TKD or any striking focus martial art ... would like to know of ways to get out of certain positions if taken to the ground ... Well I explained one way. Not getting in that position is another.
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:55 am
go to 1:15 ... you'll see the Salaverry position ... Salaverry fought Andrei Semenov ... a high level grappler ... so to say that a high level grappler could not get out of that position ... what is there to say that a high level striker ... Ivan Salavery Highlight
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:22 pm
So what is one of the most effective kicking techniques in TKD ...?
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:22 pm
rockettemma So what is one of the most effective kicking techniques in TKD ...? ...?
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:34 pm
do any of you people actually take Tae-Kwon-Do?
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:26 pm
Fightergirlpan do any of you people actually take Tae-Kwon-Do? Not me ... I'm more of an MMA guy ... and well we're just asking questions so that other "non-TKD" practitioners have their questions answered ...
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:29 pm
well now you can ask at least some Tae-Kwon-Do questions. i'm a 2nd degree black belt and am happy to share what i know...at least as long as it has to do with TKD i don't really know that much about any other diciplines just yet
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:35 pm
Fightergirlpan well now you can ask at least some Tae-Kwon-Do questions. i'm a 2nd degree black belt and am happy to share what i know...at least as long as it has to do with TKD i don't really know that much about any other diciplines just yet Well there was a question posted earlier ... "What is the most effective kicking technique in TKD?"
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:38 pm
hmm..it really depends on what you are using the technique for. if you are sparring someone then it would be the round-house kick. if it was for board breaking then it would either be back kick or spinning kick.
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:39 pm
Fightergirlpan hmm..it really depends on what you are using the technique for. if you are sparring someone then it would be the round-house kick. if it was for board breaking then it would either be back kick or spinning kick. what about just to keep someone at bay ...
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:54 pm
if they're coming at you i would say side kick. i hard kick to the solar plexus will keep anyone down.
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